I for one… DON’T!

The fans that support him are the ones that look back at his success in the first three years thinking because he did it before he can do it again.

He needs to stick with being an OC. He is not a HC. An HC needs to make tough decisions. He is too worried about hurting players feelings. A soft coach makes a soft team.

Not 1, Not 2, but 3 years that he lead the team to 13 win seasons.

Ohhh shit, i forgot that was just Rodgers right. I mean Rodgers only had One 13 win season prior to LaFleur showing up, but it was purely on Rodgers obviously for those 3 13 win seasons.

Clearly it was only on Rodgers that he threw the most TD's in a season then he ever has before. It had nothing to do with the offense that LaFleur has ran. In 2020 Rodgers had his highest completion percentage in his career. Also had his most TD's.

Also can LaFleur get a little credit for the job that Love has done thus far? He has put together a pretty good year so far. He has thrown for 3368 yards, 25 TD's, 11 Int's. Lets look at Love's first year as a starter.

Lets break it down into 2 halves. They have played 14 games so first 7 and last 7.

Loves first 7 games.
135 completions on 234 attempts, 1492 yards, 11 TD's, 8 Int's, average rating 81.2.
Loves last 7 games.
169 completions on 252 attempts, 1876 yards, 14 TD's, 3 Int's, average rating 104.0

Currently Love ranks 10th in yards, tied for 5th in TD's. He has thrown less Interceptions then Allen, Mahomes, Hurts and only 1 more then Goff, Lawrence and Tua.

Love is putting together a good first year. Does LaFleur get no credit for that?

Imagine Lombardi stepping up to a podium and stating he was dumbfounded by the actions of his own team - what leadership we have on all levels !

"I'm dumbfounded that after beating the Lions and Chiefs, your team can lay two horrendous eggs against lesser competition with a playoff berth on the line."

This one hurts the most. Time and again, we've had opportunities in big moments and come up lame, and that's not just this year.

A worthy addition!!!

Hey, c’mon now…you’re a highly successful CHTV commenter…😉

Yes let's take the bandage off slowly, wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feeling.

As an OC or at least playcaller, he has done some brilliant things. Of course we only see that when players execute, and it succeeds. I cannot say that every time MLF's playcalling was outright bad was when he was stressed by having to simultaneously deal with critical clock management or other HC duties like he should bench a player or at least make a substitution or 3. (MLF doesn't seem to bench anyone as a way to maintain the standard. Except Nijman, which was favoritism rather than merit, and only punished the whole team)

It does seem to me that when MLF's playcalling was outright bad, he was stressed in exactly that way. I'm open to being shown examples when that wasn't the case. I'll also point out that any play called that doesn't work, either because GB played messed up or because the opposing D made a great play, the playcaller will look bad. We need to exclude those, which gets difficult to assess.

This is purely academic, GB isn't going to act on what we decide regardless. I'm not defending MLF as anything, only pointing out that division of duties between HC and offensive playcaller needed to happen long ago; before this season started, and evidently before MLF's first playoff game as HC. All his weaknesses fall within HC duties, all his strengths are in an OC job description.

Not the face of the Packers that I ever envisioned. I don't ever expect another Lombardi. Andy Reid maybe but not MLF.

"I wasn’t wrong when I wanted Bijan Robinson over Van Ess. "

Van Ness was selected at #13. Bijan Robinson went at #8.

If you were still clamoring for Bijan after he was off the board, you were destined to be disappointed. I don't know if we can call that "being right", but whatever makes you feel like a draft savant, I suppose.

He went #8, Van Ness #13, so the trade up and lose value ? I still put my money on protecting Love and bag Broderick Jones.
Offense wins in the 21st century and a 4-2 defense with hands in the ground. Yes, the Gutey fail making believe he set up a formidable defense with over-drafted guys. Again, why was Douglas, the Starting CB, let go for chicken feed? Absolutely, they were out-coached. The defense floundered. He relinquished the FG on series #1 to play the roulette wheel from some sophomore analytics course from the ph.y ed. department. This guy, LaFluer does not have command on the sidelines and any control over the incompetent Barry.

Imagine my Chagrin.
When I woke up this morning and.
Realized.
That My Evil Twin also has a Twin.
That looks Exactly like Me.

Also
I’m coming to grips with the Fact.
That.
I’ll never see myself in the mirror.
With.
My Eyes closed.

Hawk, that's exactly what i was thinking with JB still here, if we win 2 or all of are final games, next year will be THE SAME SHIT OVER AGAIN!!!

HP: Your last paragraph perfectly described the dilemma of every Packer fan for the remainder of this year. You want the Packers to win, but you want the coaching staff gone and you want the best picks possible next spring. Sadly I think the best thing for the Packer's future is to lose then last three and usher this entire coaching staff out the door.

LaFleur's inability to select a competent staff will prevent the Packers from ever winning another Super Bowl under his stewardship. For that reason alone he and his hires need to go. The only remaining question is Murphy enough of a leader to make that decision in the last year of his tenure?

I won't be surprised if I am dumbfounded at that answer.

There is the option of Early Retirement for Murphy. It may be the only way he saves face. Set a New Course.

The way this team is coached I wouldn't bet on the Packers beating Carolina....No, Never, Not.

Well if the D plays with as much passion as you see in Pittsburghs O, then the players may fire Barry. Hate losing but the franchise is better off dropping the last three games…

LP, you or I at DC could be an improvement and I don't know the first thing about being a DC, so I guess that makes me a tie with Barry.

I can run Cover Zero just as good as Barry.

All are good options. But if he assumes the roll of groundskeeper, give him responsibility for everything but the field. The turf is already to slippery.

When he became HC his wife gave him a present. The book 1001 Excuses. I believe he is on 763.

"On another note, what happened to all the pre-snap movements and misdirection we saw from the offense in the Lions and Chiefs games?"

I think some of that is due to Reed playing injured. He clearly is playing through injury.

With JB, nothing is found to be smart. Not keeping him, not hiring him, not interviewing him.

RC, we will stop when LaFleur stops!

Right with you here RC. The highs and lows this season have exposed near bear-fan level Homerism I did not expect in Packer's fans

After the young O struggled to a 2-5 start in close games, it did seem Acting OC MLF was finally understanding his players strengths and weaknesses to go 4-1 and get to 6-6. Apparently not.

The last two games have relieved fans of "irrational exuberance", thinking the Offense could carry the team. They can't right now. The OL is a mess and the run game is again an afterthought. The Defense is too soft and easily exploited to expect O to win track meet games. The STs cannot be trusted to help...instead of field flippers they are hole diggers.

D and STs have been perennial problems during MLF's 4 years. I note he does not invest much (if any) of his time with either team. Therefore he better hire top notch coordinators to pick up the slack. Whoops.

Pretty much you were the only one crowning him. Most of us found that laughable or at least implausible. The posts are out there.

No serious person was touting Matt LaFleur as a coach of the year candidate. There may have been some clickbaiting, but no one could seriously have thought that.

"I am dumbfounded that nobody has found LaFluer dumb!"

I know you are mostly trying to be funny, but MLF isn't dumb. He just seems to have a learning disability for certain types of information. He almost never comments on something he saw live and always defers to "need to watch the film". I doubt he's afraid of being wrong because he always takes the blame for anything and everything. He watches that film and has difficulty coming up with solutions. He is slow to adapt to game situations. I just think he needs a lot more time than is needed to function in a fast moving competition like the NFL. I bet if he had a year he could come up with some very innovative plays, but if he needs to make a decision in 30 seconds, he is not your man, nor is he the type to be able to go through 30 minutes of football and make changes at the half. He can't process information that fast.

Dumb? He was smart enough to coach on a good coaches coat tail and when given the chance, picked a team with a hof qb in place. This he didn't get into any team building scenario with other offers.
Then he sits back for three years and bennies from that hof qb carrying the team.
Now he is exposed and we're seeing who he really isn't, a fine young coach with great ideas and leadership abilities. A weak sister afraid to make changes.

Not dumb, but I'm dumbfounded that anyone believes he should still be the coach of this team. How many more embarrassing performances and losses?

Once again spot on Dobber. None of this makes any rational sense...

I think it more likely that he's been told he's safe for next year. They'll fire Barry at season's end and give Matt one more year. They'll hire a young hotshot coordinator, either that or one of the two from the Eagles, Matt Patricia or Sean Desai, whichever one isn't retained.

Greg -

"After the win against the Chiefs, the Packers were 9th in the league in points allowed, which is actually better than average. And I'm not convinced that the talent on our defense is anything special. Which players are really good besides Rashan Gary and Kenny Clark?"

P Smith. Most stats only happen because of his contributions. He's been playing consistently great.

#93 Slaton. He's not consistently great. I think there are times when he dominates his 1 on 1 matchups, because he figured out how to beat that opponent. Other times he's caught in a bad position, and loses his battle. I think this explains his streakiness.

95 Wyatt. For his time in the NFL, he's very good. I think expecting a rookie from the draft to upgrade our O line is foolish. Spend the top 3 draft picks on IOL, maybe get 1 who contributes first year. If you're lucky. #94 & 96 are in that category. #99 J Ford listed at 6'5" 338# has not even been called up against teams we know rely on a strong run game. Can't tell if he's even adequate like that, a really bad coaching decision.

Ja is obviously really good. Stokes shouldn't have been used so heavily right away, let him get his feet wet and adjust back to playing. He should be really good, but I don't think that's ever been proven.

Savage is a player people here love to hate, but he's made a ton of really good plays this season. And missed some, too.

Our edge rushers are so good that Cox hasn't been elevated.

McDuffie brings nasty to this team, maybe more than anyone else but at least near the top. Quay is not a complete player yet, but you can't deny his effort and speed.

Nixon has made tons of great plays, and is the hungriest player on the team. It's not even close! His one boneheaded mistake resulting in a turnover instead of a return (or even reception) doesn't negate that. I do agree with LH that taking returns out of the game not by rule change but by taking the touchback and kicking the touchback would be good strategy for this team. Between ST penalties and injury risk, that's enough. Factor in #25's net yardage on returns; Idk his total for the year but it seems like it would be a negative compared to just taking the touchback. Although he did have a few long ones.

Valentine was overhyped after some great plays. He commits penalties nearly constantly. There's a fine line between playing with the intensity required to win in the NFL vs hurting your team. I question whether GB has a coach capable of dialing that in, but he clearly has the potential to become at least really good, maybe a great.

S was a known weakness heading into this season, and the fact it's only been exploited recently is, frankly, surprising. Especially considering all the injuries to our secondary, and getting rid of Rasul Douglas as if he had leprosy.

9th doesn't match their talent. JB has had the unit underperforming consistently, even in games they won.

JB doesn't have a system. He has one trick: slow down the other team's O when you have a two score lead. It's only a good strategy to close out the final 5 minutes of either half.

Barry Ball is a horrible "system". The system says "play zone" on 3rd and long so slower ILBs are asked to cover 4.3 WRs streaking through the ILBs system zone to play catch and move the chains. System says play 2 DL on 3rd and 4 to protect against a possible pass only to give up 6 easy yards. Blitz ILBs or a S? System says no.

It is a prevent (the win) defense designed to play with a lead. It elevates a system over employing players' strengths to attack an opponent. It is a coaching lazy, uncreative, status quo system.

After he is fired after the season...who of the other 31 teams will be candidates to hire him and trust him run his system for their Defense? What top NFL Defensive player would want to play in it?

His system is bend but don''t break but too often it's bend and break.

GC, it is a horrible system. The photo of the defensive set with 2 safeties 30-35 yards of the line of scrimmage on 3rd and 4.............. what more proof do you need?

Packers D has allowed over 200 yds rushing in 4 games, and over 140 yds in 8 games. Games with more rushing tend to be faster games. Additionally, a few games in the first half, the offense was so bad that opponents did not need to be aggressive.

The run defense has sucked pretty much all year, and now that DBs are getting injured, the pass D is sucking and dropped to middle of the pack or worse.

You're absolutely right about Gute relying far too much on RAS and not enough on finding dawgs who play tough in a team concept.

How many times did flower give up running the ball, even with ARod? He would even admit after the game he should run the ball more, but never changed from game to game. Taylor makes a couple of mistakes and he never sees the ball. The new guy makes one mistake and never sees the ball again. And he claimed he had Jones on a snap count and uses them all up on the first drive and we barely see Jones after that. The flower's game decisions show me he is NOT and will NEVER be a successful HC, along with his player and coaching personnel decisions adding to his failures.

I am dumbfounded Coach Gray, who hated Barry Ball, told Barry and MLF he and his players hated Barry Ball...but was still begged by MLF to remain in Green Bay to coach Barry Ball.

If, as HC, after a 2022 of assistant coaching discord on Defense, you timidly still embrace the discord status quo...well, I found that REALLY DUMB.

How much?

Brilliant!

As soon as they get burned bringing extra guys you folks will be telling us what an idiot the DC is and demanding he be fired.