Couldn't of said it any better myself. You nailed it.

Thank You

They'll roll over Detroit and then get another ass whooping in San Fran. Nothing new here. Gute, Murph and Barry need to go. BTW who is responsible for hiring Barry, Gute? NFC N championship because it's become one of the crappiest divisions in the league. After that it's all downhill.

Well thought out 61’. I will add it starts with the leaders Rodgers and MLF and they didn’t lead very well. I for one, lost a bit of money because I really thought they would come out hungry, but I was so wrong. Disgusting showing.

I agree Since, but your review is on the point for 98% of starters. I saw Dillon and Jenkins, they both tried to get the best of them. I know that in 4th Q was garbage time, but Taylor, Randall, Hill and Amari, together with Jordan Love should be added to that 2 players. I also believe that MLF was lost, because there were no reason to give only 4 try to AJ. He was alone one who played well and moving sticks in Packers favor. 4.8 yards per carry!l

Spot on post, Since'61. Looked like the entire team bought into all the hype and lofty praise heaped on them going into game 1, and forgot you also need to have passion and effort. Monday night will be interesting.

Don't be so harsh, they can beat the Lions......maybe. Ha ha ha.

Rodgers plays well when he has a chip on his shoulder like last year after they drafted Love. He was hell bent on showing them they were wrong. This year, no chip. Once he’s traded the chip will return to prove he was right. His zen, don’t worry be happy attitude was evident on Sunday. Could be in for a long season.

May be wordy NP, but all of it from the heart! And I agree with everything you said.

We will know Monday night whether this total lack of effort was a one off or a serious, season derailing malaise.

NP….I’m the same type of homer. I also stated that I was concerned about the OL due to starting two rookies and was down thumbed. The problem isn’t that maybe they are good enough to start, but more so the continuity of the entire line. A rookie center making calls for the rest of the line doesn’t help the continuity either. I just hope they can get better by the week and make it thru week 6 with a 4-2 record.

Well done, NickPerry.

You essentially preempted my thoughts generally, on the responsibility of being the senior pro with respect to the attitudes in the run up to the game in addition to the definite responsibility of the coaches. It did cross my mind to wonder whether the position that Rodgers has put himself in limits LaFleur’s ability to influence him and, to a lesser extent, others.

Spot on NP. The team owes us effort, we shall see Monday.

"The Packers packed three preseason games worth of first team reps as a unit into one regular season game"

Then they should be ready for Detroit this week, eh?

"the shit about their organization." Because the organization is a shit storm. I never ever heard AR talk bad about the city, EVER!

That may be true about Rodgers, but did their top THIRTY players not take a snap as well?

Yeah! It was TTs guys that lost this game!

(are we STILL blaming TT for everything?)

The two rookie OL did not lose the game. Myers was the 2nd highest graded by PFF behind Jenkins out of all players. Even Rodgers said the line held up. The problem was the team was not ready, and that is on LaFleur and the players. Thompson's guys that are left are Rodgers, Bakh, Clark, Cobb, Adams, and Crosby. What's your point? You couldn't think like a GM, and it shows. The game had nothing to do with the salary cap.

Again I repeat, what is the color of the sky in your world?(thanks to Frazier Crane).

Go ask some of the former players who have lingering health issues because of football if the new rules are bad.

Mike Webster is originally from the Rhinelander area. Go read his story.

The owners approved the rules changes along with the NFLPA, bargained over an open table and agreed to by a majority of owners and players.

If you want blood, go watch MMA or WWE. The NFL players aren't there to risk their lives for your entertainment.

Keep rattling that cane, fuddy duddy. Nobody cares about you longing for the days when players played with concussions and suffered brain damage because of it.

I'm guessing you're the kind of person who'd jump off a building if your boss told you to, and then you'd probably thank him for firing you because you got hurt.

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JB, you are so wrong about the NFL going downward. Sure it isn’t the same physical game, but ratings are very high and not dropping. I’m still glued to the TV every Sunday and enjoy it as most people are. Fantasy and gambling has only made it stronger. I think it’s human nature to resist change, but if I’ve learned anything in life it’s important to accept change, rather than fight it. It’s true in many aspects in life because change is something we deal with constantly throughout everything we do.

Let me preface my comment by stating that I should have chosen "OldFart" rather than "CheesyTex" for a moniker.

With you 100%, Johnblood 27.

I absolutely loved football throughout the 40s, 50s, and 60s. Played as a kid and watched the hometown favorite Browns dominate the old AAFC and then into the NFL in 1950.

After that, I began to be annoyed when games would be halted for TV timeouts -- just unfair momentum breakers is how I saw it. But I now realize that football in the NFL was beginning a transition from primarily a sports event to primarily an entertainment event. Driven, of course, by $.

Fully agree with the need to always focus on player safety, especially via better equipment, training, and penalties for unsafe play. But the "Pussy" rules drive me crazy -- e.g., the roughing the passer on Z in Game 1 when he clearly eased up, tackled according to the "Pussy" rule guidelines, yet still was penalized.,

Even more than the NFLPA, I'm put off by individual players who will not live up to their contract. WTF?

Rather than RIP Football, give H.S. football a try if it's available to you.

Then kneel to the Boss and live with CTE for a day. What a crock of bullshit, whining.

Where's your Mental Toughness, slurping 2-4-1s at the corner Bar? 16 games to go , home boy. Focus, Observe, learn and recover. Move it on.

The OL needs to look at the Saints OL tape.

Perfect summation Ima. It wasn't effort it was a lack of talent. DL has one good player in Clark. Lowry and Lancaster wouldn't start for 90% of the teams in the league. Gary is a tease Keke all hype. ILBs are possibly the worst in football.

And unless Stokes quickly turns into a star, there is only one NFL-worthy CB in Jaire. It's terrifying to think what Tampa Bay, with 3 great receivers and Gronk, or any playoff team with even two like Seattle with Metcalf and Lockett, will do to the Packers.

Add in a DC with the worst resume in the league. What were they thinking?

The Packers will make the playoffs because of the offense, although Lazard and MVS were exposed again as average to below when it comes to getting open quickly. But unless Gute finds a way to make major changes mid-season, there is little to no chance this is a SB team.

You're as good an analyst as Stockholder. SMH

The 49ers were winning 38-17 after 3 quarters and put in the 2nd string. Williams will not get 75 yards against the Packers. Pack 31, Lions 20.

Do you know what was the main objection on Rodgers from scouts in that 2005 draft? They claimed he is arrogant. That characteristic made most teams to avoid him. What we saw this offseason was purely show of arrogance...

He, sitting 40 yards away with grim smile on his face can tell you a lot if you want to be honest to yourself.

Setting aside other concerns, if Rodgers isn't all in with LaFleur's system of offense by this the third season together, the Packers are in big trouble just in that sense.
If our head coach is continually having to rein in our quarterback from going off script, then it seems the director should ask for another lead actor.
This could go back to what may have happened at the end of the NFC Championship Game against the Bucs, as to whether Rodgers was for the most part cooperating with LaFleur in the play calling or overly resistant.
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One could even say that it's understandable if Rodgers doesn't want to change his ways this late in his career -- although the revival of his career under LaFleur would seem to be something to truly appreciate and take into account.
Still, Rodgers may not feel comfortable handing off the ball as often as he is being asked, and taking the short passes in the prescribed ratio to the long. It may be considered to be ultimately stifling to his creativity as a quarterback, and inhibiting to his performance.
In that case, let's help Rodgers find a team more suited to his preferred mode of operation, in a way that he and the Packers can both be happier.
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If Rodgers is not a good fit for the LaFleur offense -- and then adding in the melodrama off the field -- the Packers are in huge trouble.
So much trouble, indeed, that it's better to trade him right now for perhaps a first-round pick and a quality defender. Get as much as we can, but get it done.
I can take a bad loss if there's real hope of righting the team in good time; but if there are major contradictions with Rodgers and the Packers, why prolong the misery?
Move on as of right now.

Dune….I think Rodgers is as important as MLF in leading this team this year. If his attitude is to work his ass off day in and day out and show by example he is there to win the title than they have a chance. But, if he just goes thru the days without positive communication, just going through the motions collecting his check, we are in big trouble. You can’t Zen your way to a title.

Yes, I think AR has a huge potential to be a cancer to the team. He just gave to the press his usual bullshit zen crap today, so I think we have a real danger of the team failing to live up to expectations.

When the QB changes the play consistently and makes great plays, you find it hard to stop him. But went the QB changes the play consistently and does nothing then you need to tell him to cut it the hell out. How long does someone like Rogers get before anyone would dare tell him that is hard to calculate.

Brady’s greatness is undeniable but give Rodgers the defenses Brady has played with and it’s likely he wins the SB every year.

What Bart Starr did that no one else has is win 3 championships in a row, and 5 championships in 7 years.
Overall, Starr was 9-1 in the playoffs with excellent personal statistics. He lost his first one, then never lost another.
People can compare eras in football, but there's so many factors that it's hard to say whether winning championships was more difficult in one era than another.
Thing is, no one did before the days of Starr; no one did during the days of Starr; and no one has done it since.
Coach Lombardi helped Starr immensely; but Starr may have done almost as much to help Lombardi. They were a great match.
With our concerns about whether a quarterback is truly coachable, we can consider how important it was to Lombardi to have like Starr running the show on the field so much in cooperation with him. Starr called his own plays, but Lombardi could trust him to do so according to their common vision for the offense.
It seems there's much more to being a great quarterback than passing. There are so many little things that are easy to overlook. There's also attitude and leadership.
Starr developed himself into a superior passer, while mastering all of the other aspects of the position. He was the complete quarterback, and the greatest of all time.
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Tom Brady has also been great, apparently much like Starr, maybe the second best ever behind Starr.
He has to answer for Deflategate, though. It seems there never was a real investigation, and that perhaps Brady was even obstructing one.
If he didn't need the deflated football to help his passing, why did he apparently have the footballs deflated? If he didn't fully support an investigation, why not?
There's also the matter of Spygate.
Even if Brady is cleared in these two incidents, he would still not quite have had a career equal to Starr.
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As for Aaron Rodgers, up until very recently I looked much more at what he had accomplished as far as winning with the Packers instead of where the team had fallen short. I tended to think Rodgers had generally taken the Packers as far as they could go.
As questions about his coachability have arisen, I've been more questioning, though.
Then with the cheap stunts pulled by Rodgers this offseason -- holding out, trashing the front office, and flaunting his latest MVP -- I'm now a skeptic.
I'm seriously wondering if Rodgers has left one or more Super Bowls on the table over the years due to deficiencies of attitude. (Also, I wonder if he keeps his composure well against the toughest of defenses -- the kind of defenses that tend to arise in the biggest of games.)
Then there's the matter of Rodgers seeming to throw away an opportunity for a Super Bowl this season at the expense of teammates and fans.
It may be somewhat like him perhaps overlooking open receivers over the years, then throwing the ball out of bounds.
Maybe there has been more there for Rodgers to work with than we first supposed.

I don't think it's possible to have a GOAT in football. You can have a Greatest Pre-war Era, Greatest Post-War Ironman Era, Greatest Early Modern (to about 1980) Era, etc. The rules have changed so much over time that 60s ball does not resemble at all 90s ball, which does not really relate to modern day ball.

Rodgers has the skills to be Greatest Modern Era QB, but lacks the leadership skills needed to be GOAT of the Era. That does go to (*vomiting in my mouth*) Brady.

Quarterback wins should not be a stat.

Wins are a team stat.

Incest is not best and the Barry hire will be the downfall of La Fleur.

The truth is often found somewhere in the middle. The hard part is determining what measures constitute an accurate zero through ten benchmark to accurately calculate your math. Other than the perennial drought resistant bottom feeders (Jets, Jags), trying to find the common denominator between talent and “something else” has many moving parts. Like science, sports, marriages, health, and life in general, the variables have limitless boundaries. To answer your question, there’s not enough data. If you have talent, you have talent. If you have nothing else, you have nothing else. The answer is between zero and ten. What trumps what? The bourbon I’m drinking of course. Cheers.

Yes, Old School, Payton came prepared for battle and was very effective in crushing the perceived ego of the 2021 Meatpackers. One game does not make a season. MVS is Not your #2 WR. he is a 3-4 complementary deep threat. That was very evident, week one. 9( rushing attempts for an entire game is surrender, unacceptable.

In football I feel that in general ALL of these guys are super talented. I mean sure some standouts like Rodgers, McCaffrey, Kelce are out there but in general they are all crazy talented and crazy well trained.

The margin of victory in the NFL is tiny. Miss a play here or there and the worst team in the NFL can beat the best team in the NFL. Play badly and you lose 38 - 3. Lose every game 38 - 3 and you need better players. Lose one game that way just means you weren't ready that day.

The 2019 Packers lost by 15 to the Chargers and by 29 to the 49ers. Around those losses they won their other 12 games played. They didn't lose that badly because they weren't talented. They weren't ready. Their plan was bad. Some combo of both. Who knows maybe they were cursed by a passing gypsy driving to the stadium. But no team in the NFL is 35 points more talented than any other NFL team.

Do you have the VAX? As you are a resident of the Noem State, I am curious???