I'd go with young and inexperienced receivers over rag-tag, but that's just me. Your assessment of the o-line is correct, though.

Well, IMO Lazard, Cobb, Watkins, Tonyan, Big Dog, and rookies Watson, Doubs would be classified as a rag-tag group playing for Rodgers.

Watson, Doubs, Wicks, Heath, Musgrave, and Kraft would be classified as talented, young and inexperienced and they aren't going anywhere. And all have promising upside to grow with their new QB.

The passing offense has promise but is not yet proven. Let's give the young group this year and next to seal the deal and have good indication Love is the wise long term investment.

The only concern is if Love turns into #12 and begins a tirade of demands. But I do not see that.

PEO,

I wouldn't say JL has been consistent. He's still missing easy layups, and not leading his targets; and neither of those mistakes are consistent.

And yet from the first time I saw him take over at TC it was perfectly obvious that he's in control of this offense and commands the respect of the team. He never did anything to lose that, even in 6 losses.

Definitely continue to build the team around him rather than tear it all down by trying to find an upgrade in the draft. Take BPA with all those high picks, which are dropping. And that's a good thing!

Greg look at the video as part of his video.

That TD throw to #11 was INSANE!! Those two are SO connected, and that was really proven in that 2 point conversion completion back in week 4.

If he hit #9 in stride on that opening play it was a TD. JL10 can overthrow #9 and has. I think he's just not used to his speed, neither does he adjust when D slows down his targets.

Nick, I don't think Cory (or I) is saying "Throw all the dollars at JL!"
But I think that trying to work out a long-term contract NOW will make it a better contract for the Packers. As time passes, those contract dollars just go up. Now, if Love's agent wants the moon, then yeah, the signing is delayed. But I'm convinced Love can be a Super-Bowl-winning QB. I've compared him, from the beginning, to Dak Prescott, and I still see that today. I don't think he'll be everything Rodgers was, or Favre, or Manning, etc. But I think he can win a Super Bowl, and maybe be better at leading the Packers to Super Bowls than an interception machine like Favre or an egomaniac, cap-destroyer like Rodgers.
Favre was the gunslinger, Rodgers was the assassin, maybe Love is the Captain America.

Thank you for the reality check NP. The Packers have played 11 games this year and Love has played well in about half of them including the last four. Thats a good start, but not worthy of a long contract yet. Thank heaven Cory is not the GM of the Packers. Let's let the season play out and garner a little more information before any big decisions are made.

not quite there yet, on his way but give it more time. Bak was handed huge contract now he is never going to play for GB again the way it looks. Wait until you are able to free up money in spring JA looks like a spring cut don't sign Stokes either. Need a real hitter at safety and maybe another more active LB to go along with Walker. Campbell I think is gone too. Get rid of that stiff kicker Carlson wow talk about a disappearing act extra point are a nightmare.

The recency bias is in full bloom here. I'm with you NP. I would need to see some more consistency before doing a long term deal and if it costs a few dollars more, so be it.

NP, I really don’t quite follow your 60 yards train of thought. If a guy can throw over 50 yards in the air that’s pretty good. The longest NFL passes have gone around 70, but they were Hail Mary type wind up and hope throws. I think this is asking too much and unrealistic.

That said, I also came here to opine that the time isn’t right to unlock the safe yet. I was impressed by Love last week, and I accept that he’s been trending up, but no single elite game makes a player.

I want to see more, against better defenses, but mostly consistency before we fully commit. It’s looking ever more possible, but this is a decision that will have long term implications. We can wait a while before locking him and us in long term. Too small a sample at this point.

The comparison is not Aaron Rodgers' contract in 2022, it's Aaron Rodgers' contract during the 2008 season, which was his fourth season and his first as a starter, just like Jordan Love. The Packers signed Rodgers to the new contract on Halloween. I think that Jordan Love has been behind Rodgers in his development all along, but he is making a surge now, and it does not look fluky. He is building on the skills and the poise that we've seen him developing over the past few years. When you factor in the extremely young pass catchers that Love has had to work with, along with a shaky offensive line and a chaotic situation at RB, he may be very close indeed to where Rodgers was at this point in his career.

I don't think Love has the physical talent to be quite as good as Rodgers, but he could still be one of the best QBs in the league. I say, let's lock him up now if possible. You can bet that some other teams will have their eye on him if that doesn't happen, and then his price will go up.

Nick,

agreed. I see no pressure to try to upgrade QB in the draft, neither is there time pressure to sign JL long term NOW. I think the thought process is right now he can be signed cheaply, as compared to his value only going up.

He's under contract next year?

I don't disagree Nick. My fear is we will jinx ourselves. No contracts until next year after the draft and the team takes further shape. And one year closer to MMs exit.

Sign him by season's end before price goes up. He is performing well without a running game. Think how well the play action will work once we get the running attack rolling.

As usual Cory gets way too excited...this is not the time to sign anyone That can wait till the end of the season to see a full body of work...Love is not all of a sudden an all pro because he had a good game..so did that who ever it is down in Chicago when fields was down and same for the Vikings fill in...PUMP THE BRAKES if Love continuers to grow there will certainly be a signing...

Staking my position from the start, I'm in "soon, but not now, camp".

In fairness Nick, at this stage, it's really a 60:40 split on his decision making that we should be evaluating (and getting excited about).

His field reading and decision making was the real standout of the Lions match - followed by his increasing respect for possession of the ball (" my guy or no guy").

Sure, he's got a LOT of work to do this off season on his mechanics (according to JT O'Sullivan at the QB School and Dusty's posts here), but from what he's flashed, the mechanics flaws are correctable - it's the cerebral elements that they either have (or do not).

Also, whenever he gets signed, I don't think that there's going to be any home-town discount given anyway - it never was for Rodgers - so I totally agree with Gute making sure before he saddles the Packers with debt......... as an afterthought, if\when it's clear that he is "the guy", why not do a KC and lock him up for a long term contract (> 5 years).

On the topic of contracts - I do want to see the Bakhtiari contract somehow revisited - the 2024 $40M cap number is untenable, and even the ~$20M dead cap is bad. I'd really like to see him activated late in the year and played once (somehow....if able)..... this would at least give the FO faith that he has something left in the tank worth negotiating over.

I can't remember who it was, but at the time of his last extension someone here posted that it was too large a guaranteed number for a player his age and position, and that the Packers would regret it...... FYI, he's counted for nearly 80 MILLION DOLLARS since the injury in late 2020 and the Packers have hardly got a snap out of him. I get it, injuries are tough, but hopefully the high guaranteed money lessons have been learned by the FO (it's looking like they have the nucleus of a good young team here [that are going to need contracts soon], I don't think that they need to be held to ransom by any one player again.

Postscript - is anyone else reading the furor going on at the Jets re the failure of signing Rodgers' "posse"? Lazard and Cobb are benched, Billy Turner is now Billy Turnstile and Nathaniel Hackett is about to get booted. The Lazard $40M\4yr deal is looking egregious (at best).

Nick, I agree with you that it is to early to sign any kind of extension. Well, he has contract through 2023 and 2024, so Packers have enough time after the season and detail evaluation to decide.

But, regarding that deep shot to Watson at the beginning of the game, go and watch again. Packers had ball on 25 and Jordan Love have 7 steps back so at least 7 yards back from line of scrimmage. Ball was caught om 25 yards line of Lions. That is not 50 yards ball - that is throw was 57 yards long and Jordan had player running to him just at the moment he was to launch the ball. By time he will be able to throw the ball completely calm, despite pressure that will be going towartds him.

This 57 yards I was calculating from the point where Jordan launch the ball to the point where Watson catch it. Officialy that is 53 yards throw, because they are calculating from the line of scrimmage to the point where WR (or catcher) was tackled.

Regarding Daniel Jones and a big bag of money he received last off season, that was suspicious decision by Giants, as Daniel Jones did never show the poise and throws Jordan Love already executing. If you are reading statistics about "precision" of the QBs, you have to have in your mind that there is incompletes for many QBs that are more on receivers than on QBs (either by running wrong routes or just not catch very catchable passes). So, I'll say 65%+ is something that very good QBs have. Look at the Herbert stats from this season and tell me that he is bust, looking just at statistic data...

You know that I believe Jordan Love is the Packers future, but I might be wrong. Everything what we saw till today shows that he is progressing fast in the right direction.

Again, there is no rush to signing any extension yet. And I also believe Jordan is not asking that at the moment. What is mind boggling fact that after 11 games in the book stats are almost same as it was 2008, when FPQB was in his 1st season as starter - both have 5-6 record, 2599 passing yards, 21 TD (JL 19+2, FPQB 17+4), Jordan Love has 10 INT and FPQB had 9 INT. Can you imagine that they have exactly the same amount of passing yards? Mind boggling!

Exactly. Thanks, Savage.

We can always lock up JL10 mid-season next year, too. I was thinking he's under contract for that, thanks for the confirmation.

No need to rush this ...

It's nice to see them play like a TEAM! But that W was on our D line

GPG

Exactly !

Perfectly said NitschkeFromtheGrave. Thanks, Since '61

That's my point above, I don't want MM involved in any contract. For now we are accomplishing what we hoped for, significant development and progress. And enough to begin making decisions about the makeup of this team and coaching in anticipation of next year's draft. Playoff experience will be a big step. I'm thrilled to be saying that and going to enjoy this year all the more. Keep playing the young guys!

I say to Nitschke, Nick, and ‘61—my sentiments too.
Love is certainly trending up, but I also witnessed his games against Desmond Ridder, Kenny Pickett, the Broncos and the Raiders. If he had played even better than average, those were games we should have won. If I recall, we couldn’t score any points in the first quarter/halves.
Love is improving and has more winnable games in front of him, let’s see if continues his success. We’re all hoping that will happen.
Go Packers!!!

'61, agreed. Signing JL10 mid-season next season might save some money, if he progresses that much it could be a wise decision. There's a LOT of football to be played between now and then. The big development so far is our O line doesn't look like JL is at high risk of career ending injury lately, which is a nice change I imagine he appreciates. His pocket awareness is improving, I'm not sure if his extraneous steps are settled down and gone yet. He's gotten his feet wet in the league!

Against KC it might prove to be impossible to gauge progress. While they're not peaking right now, that is a GOOD team. It will require mental toughness for our guys to just do their best for 60 minutes.

LOL. Agreed. I'm pulling for the kid big time, and I like what I see, but Cory needs to slow his roll. Heck, let's at least see what JL does against an excellent Chiefs defense at Lambeau with a mini-bye to prepare. I might even be with Cory somewhat if JL wasn't already signed for 2024, but with that in place, I just don't see the reason for the extreme rush. As others have said, no to potentially creating a Daniel Jones situation for the Packers!

I don't think JL has any lack of accuracy. I think he throws to 10+ different targets, and most of those are very different from each other. Combine that with an O line that has been sketchy to put it nicely, WRs outright dropping beautiful passes and running wrong routes, (#9 did that again yesterday) and I think this is VERY fixable.

I think it's a question of "getting on the same page." I think a good strategy is to reduce the different players he targets, with Reed Musgrave and Wicks having emerged as the go to guys. So 2 out of 3 of them go down to injury, and we're lucky Reed did not.

I see the biggest problem being still missing the easy layups. That HAS to be fixed! Kraft and Dillon are both great tools who can win games as possession receivers, but JL10 has to do his part, and do it consistently. No team excels without that.

My current hope is for the Packers to use 1 on an OT, 2a on another OL, 2b on a big run-stopping DL, 3a and 3b on a DB/S and RB, but Best Player Available always has to be in the equation.

Dillon has been catching everything thrown his way! Hopefully Kraft does that too.

Next draft will be super important! Definitely don't try to upgrade QB.

"Trading him for a second round pick would be tempting"

No team is giving up anything near a 2nd round pick for a 29 year old running back coming off an injury riddled year.

Corey is pretty good at this. He listens, then writes something controversial without bothering to marshal very many cogent arguments to support it, and then lets the rational discussion take place in the comments. And if it is controversial but close to a 50/50 proposition, a lot of comments can be expected.

EVEN IF HE SIGNS IT.
ECPECT A HOLD OUT OR INJURIES.

Agreed. There's no downside to signing him mid-season next season as compared to now.

Cookie for Taryn! Thanks, Since '61

Oh, please. Stop with this imaginary timeline mularky.

It's always "well, it should have been sooner" or "yeah, but he was picked too early" every time a player shows out who you've publicly blasted previously.

Just stop. stop. stop. stop. It's okay be wrong.

Nobody here is a professional NFL talent scout.. and even the pros get it wrong because there's as much art as science in the craft of projection and nobody has a crystal ball that can see into the future.

Just enjoy the ride.

As much as you drive me absolutely crazy, I hope you're enjoying your Thanksgiving weekend, and find some way to just enjoy the Packers looking dominant this past Thursday.

The good news about Love's accuracy issues being tied to footwork is that footwork can be corrected with hard work, dedication to craft, and sound fundamentals being taught.

All indications are Love is dedicated to improving his craft through hard work.. and at least for the time being, we have Tom Clements as QB coach who Aaron Rodgers has credited with being instrumental in his development, specifically and largely due to Tom's attention to detail of, and demand for, exemplary footwork.

As to that insane "thread the needle" TD throw, the same thought crossed my mind yesterday while watching it again from a few different vantages. I just don't know. To be completely honest, it was a gambler's throw regardless who the intended target was- if it was to Watson, he was leading the receiver into major harm's way with the defender crossing from right-to-left; if it was to Reed, well.. that's akin to a lot of early Aaron Rodgers throws where the confidence in the arm may over ride the judgement to let it loose- it was SUCH a tight window.

The comfort I take from the unknowing is that regardless of who the ball was intended for, it looked like it was a catchable throw. The fact that Watson didn't even attempt to make the catch suggests he wasn't expecting the ball, perhaps he was supposed to rub the defender.

The other issue I have with that play- and as I know you watch the JTO'S videos, you'll be familiar- the route spacing.. unless it was supposed to be some sort of rub action as I suggested previously, those WRs are both horizontally and vertically far too close together IMO. What are your thoughts?

Well said, Oppy. For me, the bottom line is this: If you think you have your franchise QB, you don't fart around and play games with him. You sign him to a long-term contract so the team can move boldly forward into the future.

Of course none of us know whether or not the Packers management thinks they have their franchise QB. But as you suggest, my hunch is that they are closer to reaching this conclusion than most of the fans are, and they may already be there.

Are you really ready to LEAN on Love for 3-5 yrs.?
The Packers still have problems with this offense.
And most of you have been calling for MLF head.

The arm accuracy is the problem.
While this is Loves first year.
Everything could change if MLF gets fired.

You are leaving a little out regarding Loves “restructure”. Love didn’t just do it to bet on himself or help the Packers. The packers had the sole option to pick up the extra 5th year option, it is not up to Love (or any first round pick). However, that 5th year option $ was both too large for the cap and too much for a player who hadn’t played. Love could have said no thanks to a smaller deal for year 5, that’s true. Both player and team were in a bind.

Love could have gone into this year as a lame duck by not agreeing to a 5th year outside of the standard option year. If that was the case, the Packers likely bring in actual competition at qb as Love would have written his ticket out of town at that point. And packers would have wasted all that time developing him. So both parties had a vested interest in making year 5 palatable with no warm fuzzy guarantees that there will be a deal later.

Like some other posters, I’m not ready yet to sign him to another large deal. I will state that I think NFL teams too often sign players too early, the oft mentioned Daniel Jones being one. He is hot garbage. Love is already better than him. I’d like to see how Love finishes out the season first. Not from a win loss perspective but from accuracy, decision making, etc.