Explain to me why, as we're already short at the DB position, one would place Kevin King on IR and activate a back that's hurt and cannot play? Goodson.

It's moves like these, mostly unreported, that shows me Ted has lost his "game."

" The best time to look yourself in the mirror is when things are going bad. You have to figure out what changes need to be made in order to turn things around."

The best time to look in the mirror is when things are going right and you need to figure out how to keep it that way and not kick back and think all will remain well.

The Packers are to the Titanic with radar and refused to look at it so not to be compelled to heed it's warning.
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IMO the Packers shouldn't wait even a day past January 2nd 2018 to promote a new GM. IMO Elliott Wolf is the best choice since Dorsey has signed with the Browns. I'm not so sure Wolf wasn't even a better choice than Dorsey anyways, his age and lack of experience is the only concern. But they can't let him interview for even a single job if he's the one Murphy has settled on.

I've said for a long time the best way for the Packers to handle Ted Thompson is to make him a consultant for the 2018 draft and longer if he still wants to stay on in that capacity. But the Packers NEED a new direction, they need MORE than the 7 to 11 draft picks every year and an occasional FA signing. This year I thought Thompson made some pretty damn good additions in FA, but he didn't add in a Charles Woodson type player, one who can upgrade the defense 10 spots in rankings just by stepping on the field. That's what this team has been lacking since Woodson left. That's what needs to be done for 2018 and I don't believe Ted will/can do it.

The Packers CAN'T afford to just address the MANY needs on this team with just the draft. They've done it Thompson's way for the last 7 years and he hasn't been able to get them over the top. If you look at this team honestly, it's considerably worse than it was in 2014 and THAT'S on Thompson. The secondary, is much worse that 2014 and they STILL don't have a TE. They HAD one last season and Thompson let him walk despite what he and Rodgers did at the end of the year. They have the same receiver group they did in 2014, just older and haven't prepared for life after Nelson worth a damn. The Packers won SB45 because they were able to attack defenses with more quality receivers than they could possibly cover. Now they have Adams and he might not even be here in 2018 UGH!!!!

When I look at this team now, the way it's built and where the money is the Packers have some SERIOUS issues. The Packers have some serious needs heading into FA for 2018. They NEED a WR, OLB, TE, OL, CB in no particular order since all are pretty high on the list IMO. They need to make some tough decisions on players like Nelson, Cobb, and Matthews. IMO the Packers should try and renegotiate Nelson for sure and maybe Matthews to lower their 2018 cap hits. I think Nelson would probably go along but I'm not so sure about Matthews. Clearly Nelson has lost another step in 2017 but the chemistry Jordy has with AR will still be there next year IMO. Nelson can still be the ultimate possession receiver in 2018.

IMO Ted has failed the Packers. He's failed to replace the players he's let go because they turned 30, even though they continue to play well for other teams now. He's failed to keep the Packers STOCKED at the WR position while having the best QB on the planet and an O-Line who can protect him. But mostly he's failed to put a defense on the field. He's failed to pressure McCarthy to get rid of Capers, allowing him to stay. Capers should have been gone after 2012 and since he was allowed to stay he's cost the Packers AT LEAST one maybe two more SB appearances.

It’s as if Murphy has been lulled into sleep mode due to Aaron’s prowess. Our D has been porous for the last 4 seasons yet, we remain loyal to Capers. We have had the same deficiencies every year: a laughable running game ( maybe Jones and Williams have answered that), aside from Mason, average special teams at best, and worthless back ups behind Aaron. Aside from one or two picks per year, our drafts are woeful. For every Bahktiari, there are two or three Montarviius Adams, Dontae Jones, Goodson’s (please God...no). If they let Eliot Wolf leave.....it would be very, very disappointing.

The injuries this year, including AR, has shown just how much talent there is on the team. The injury bug each year is frustrating and perplexing all at the same time. I thought at the start of the year when they added Brooks and Dial that they should have added a veteran OL and CB. What if TT had done that? Brooks and Dial have helped weather injuries. The CB is depleted to the point that if AR comes back it will be all dependent on him.

Well, we will see. If the Pack can get by Cleveland, and that is all about what will be, then we still have a chance. And we need Carolina, Atlanta and or Seattle to lose two games. Especially Carolina and Seattle because if AR can run the table, tie breakers will help with those two.

Well, I think Elliot Wolf was already on 2 interviews. No job offering! That says something about how teams are eager to hire Elliot Wolf.

Gutekunst might be in jeopardy. He is Salary cap guru. Many teams will pay him a lot to get his knowledge how to keep healthy Salary Cap.

".. Why did the Packers allow Casey Hayward, Micah Hyde and T.J. Lang to walk? The Jaguars added defensive end Calais Campbell and cornerback A.J. Bouye in the offseason..."

Try with Salary Cap restrictions and much better offers from other teams...

But, I know many will say that Salary cap is just excuse...

Will Packers give MM a free pass this season, due to injuries, which a norm for other teams also. I have said many times before the Packers will never go to the Super Bowl with present staff. I have a feeling this team will come here to Cleveland an Lay a BIG EGG..if that
Happens I am in for a long year from my Brown friends i'll being eat crow.. GP PACK

Aaron Rodgers is the best and worst thing that happened to the Packers. We all know it and can see it, but TT,MM, MM,refuse to . They are just praying to somehow make the playoffs again and take the pressure off. Of course if they don't, they will get a pass because AR got hurt. Hundley should not be as inept as he is after 3 years in the system, that's on MM and the rest of the coaches. He looks to be a college read option QB only. Then the bust of the Bennett signing will most likely give TT cold feet at signing a big name FA.

We need to go get Zimmer son the linebacker coach for the Vikings and make him defensive coordinator and finally get rid of Dom Capers once and for all

Mark look at the facts. You don't ask TT where his heart is, you show him the door along with DC and McC. Who's running this team? It seems to me the BOARD isn't. Their focus seems to be directed at building malls and trying to compete with the Packers version of Jerry World, than running a respectable team and making the tuff decisions. And you Mark, leadership starts at the top. You can't expect one player to do everything for you and continually bail out poor coaching decisions. Management is an embarrassment with their snarky interviews and poor performance. If this team had one owner, things would have changed years ago. The frozen tundra just doesn't relate to the grass they play on, it includes gray matter. No one should have to put up with this kind of behavior, you're not appointed for life. There are consequences you know. I've been a supporter of the Packers for well over 50 years and can't get over the fact that I keep hearing the "Next Year" BS. Well...where has that gotten us? Right here I guess! It isn't getting better Mark and yes the facts are the facts. You too can and should be replaced. You're days are numbered just like the players who don't perform. The BOARD needs to show some management skills, guts and vision to turn this situation around. Who wants to be the lead man?

What we all need to hope for is that the Packers' Board of Directors is as unhappy as (some of) we fans are, and without that we won't be seeing any pressure on Murphy.
I'm sick of the "Next Year' and "The Packers are always contenders" bull$hit. TT has now wasted the late part of Favre's career and the past 6 -7 years of Rodgers' career. Two HOF quarterbacks back-to-back, and two SBs! What are we waiting for, maybe Wolf's not the guy, but how do we find out, someone's going to take that chance sooner or later.
One thing's certain about Elliott Wolf, if he's hearing voices in his ear, it's likely the voice of a HOF former GM.

If we don't make the playoffs, changes had better be coming to Green Bay. We risk becoming a mediocre team in a mediocre division if we continue down the path we are on. We cannot let that happen. I hope TT uses FA, again. I hope we draft well in this next draft.

Mr. Thompson believes in having Packer people on his roster. Young and hungry for winning a Super Bowl. He listened to his coach and trying to sign Cook and then signed two TE's with a resume. Both have failed. Bennett had a ring and wanted another and felt the Packers had no shot with Hudley so he quit and Kendricks gets arrested for drugs and both sat during the National Anthem. You can see why we should not sign players with poor character and heart. Bennett was to upgrade the blocking for the running game. This all stems from failed drafts and FA's at one position TE. Everyone at home thinks this is an easy fix fire this coach or GM but it is not. Winning takes building a roster with where you draft and keeping picks. FA are boom or bust. The Packers will need to look inside themselves first. Ask some players to take a pay cut or release them. Draft best player available and hope some players develop into good or great players.

TT is all smoke and mirrors. He doesn't talk to the press. He values his job. TT could have signed Free agents. He could have signed those that left. But really; only good players could come to GB, and make an impact. ( And Like Bennet, some players are just a disease. ) TTs biggest failure is in his own ranks. Don Capers. The lizard that changes color. TT should have watched the stats of his defense over the years. And Acted. He didn't! He and MM made excuses. He made the picks. They were the missing pieces. But Why the revolving door, and position changes? Capers Wrecked the picks. A- Rod made up for the lack of communication between management. A defense he himself criticized. These guys are still the foxes that know how to get away from the hounds. But the stats don't lie. TT and MM should have made more than paper adjustments. Leaders now how to push and get results. TT should have pushed. Instead of digging a hole. (The chance approach.) RBs were another big hole. No one filled it. It slowed down the offense. All - pro guards and NO RB? TTs brain fart. TT wanted to play a numbers game. TT drafted and payed the player with the stats. The bitch was Defense! I don't think TT has much time left as a packer GM. But TT lost sight when they backed Capers. And lost the reality of stats all together.

It is going to be a very interesting off-season indeed!
Thompson's contract is up after the 2018 NFL Draft?
Sounds to me like the stars are aligned and the time has come for the young Wolf and Gutekenst to take over running the front office with Ted stepping down to a consulting position. The Packers really can't afford to let these guys walk. Won't it be a treat to have young management staff that are actually willing to talk to the press more than once or twice a year and not talk in circles and cliches'. This franchise needs a GM who is willing to lead and not lurk in the shadows. I know Ted is light sensitive but come on dude, you are GM of one of the most iconic NFL teams in history and you only appear like twice a year and then don't really say anything? Thanks Ted for your hard work, but it's time to step away. Like the "white hair" always says "it's a young mans league". Just look what this young GM has done for the Brewers in short time. As for McCarthy, I expect him to stay on as Head Coach, but I predict (no I plead) that he will finally clean house on the Defensive side and show Dom the door. 2018 will be a new and energized time in Packers history!
Again it is going to be a very interesting off-season.
Take heart my cheesy brethren, grab a beer, kick back and know that change is coming.
NostraDANus

I am not sure why people are so high on E. Wolf when no one knows just how good he is or how much he contributes. Given the FA pickups this past season, things might be changing. What has really hurt the packers is all the misses on defense in the draft for the past 5 years.

To answer Cory's question, Hayward was let go because he was oft injured, and faded after his rookie season. Hyde is too slow to cover faster TEs and WRs. Maybe the bills were smart enough to figure out how to use him properly. Lang, I am not sure why, supposedly money. I don't remember if he even got an offer from TT.

It all comes down to A. Rodgers allowing these clowns to have no sense of urgency. Without Rodgers, this is a 4-6 win team, depending on the schedule. So everyone thinks that they are geniuses.

I am still not sure if the cupboard is so bare on the defensive side, or if capers can't optimize the talent he has. Another possibility is that capers' D is too complicated for the perpetually young defense.

Whatever the case might be, the packers have been stuck in the same gear. Good enough to make the playoffs, but defense not good enough to progress to superbowl and win. But it keeps the fans engaged and the packers making money, because it seems most fans think that they have a shot every year because Rodgers covers up so much.

But once you get past the wild card round, the defenses and offenses are generally good. So that means Rodgers that eventually, the offense cannot score on almost every possession, and the defense rarely forces a punt. Game over, see you next year.

That's why I find it funny that people think the packers have a shot this year if they make it to the playoffs. Because history clearly says that the defense will doom them, and the defense has only got weaker due to injuries this year. No uptick in defense this year.

We can go back and forth all day with which players TT should or should not have signed or drafted. Who was a bust and who wasn't, etc., etc.,

The bottom line is that the Packers are at a crossroads with TT. If you look at TT's record he has fielded a team with 8 consecutive playoff appearances and still counting. He has an SB victory and the Packers have a .600+ winning percentage during his tenure. Is it all because of Aaron Rodgers? Probably, at least since the 2010 SB anyway.

Point is that is all in the past. The 2017 edition of the Packers is 2-5 without Rodgers having defeated the lowly Bears and the inept Bucs. The defense hasn't stopped a good offense in years and gets cut to pieces by good NFL QBs. It's time to move on. This team needs changes in how it approaches building the team and on the defensive side of the football. Sometimes a fresh approach is needed even in a successful organization.

If we agree/accept that injuries are part of football then we need to be better prepared when the expected injuries happen. Other teams have injuries and they don't necessarily go 2-5. Minnesota is winning with defense and making a mediocre QB look like an All-Pro.
The Jags changed their management by hiring TomCoughlin to run football operations and hired Doug Barone as HC and they are a playoff contender at least after being an NFL doormat for decades.

At the least Capers must go. He is paid like a head coach and he has no accountability even though our defense plays like a confused high school junior varsity. I have posted for years that the defense needs a leader on the field, better tackling, and a nastier attitude. Yet poor tackling, poor pass coverage, and a poor pass rush are allowed to go on season after season.

Special teams need a change. This is another area of the team which has languished in mediocrity for years. The only consistent bright spot has been Mason Crosby.

I would keep MM to maintain continuity with Rodgers and the offense but it's time to move on from TT, Capers, Zook and maybe a few other assistants. Thanks, Since '61

This 2014 post for John Dorsey makes a lot of sense on that subject and how to deal with the Packers 2018 draft.
I have been talking a lot about importance of 2018 draft to re-configure the Packers for the future of AR's remaining years...
2018 Draft,, Packers have 12 picks. 10 of them are suppose to be in top 5 rounds.

The numbers below show us the best opportunities of finding consistent starters.

HISTORIC SUCCESS CHART...
(Only 25% of drafted players became starters)

What the stats tell us about drafting positions by round from 10 years worth of draft data on all positions. The information was taken from Pro Football Reference.
This post has a simple criteria: How many players were drafted by position and round over a 10 year period and what percentage went on to become a starter. The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters.

What we find is that from 2005 until 2014:

2,465 players (non-kickers) were drafted.
629 (( 25%)) of those drafted became starters for at least half of their NFL careers
Of the 2,465 players:
122 were QBs, 207 were RBs, 421 were OL, 143 were TE, 317 were WR, 442 were DL, 303 were LB, and 510 were DB.

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)

2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)

4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)

5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)

6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)

7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

Hopefully TT or Wolf will be more aggressive and bundle picks together to end up with perhaps 8 picks in top 3-4 rounds!!
I know TT likes a lot of picks, but look at success rate of rounds 5, 6 and 7 and then remember he cut 3 of his 10,, 2017 picks and maybe will cut RB Mays.

The Giants suck so they fire the coach and GM , the Yankees come up short of the World Series and they fire the coach and go after signing one of the best players in the game. The Packers come up short year after year and it's business as usual the following season. What's wrong with this picture?

If I were to guess TTs replacement, I have two ideas.

The first idea is that I have NO idea who the Packers go for if they go outside the organisation for the next GM.

The second idea is if they go internally for the replacement. I'd suggest that (from most likely to least), I'd go with Russ Ball, Brian Gutekunst, Eliot Wolf, in that order. For those surprised at the order i have them in, I have the highest regard for Ball, I think he could be special, as good as John Schneider.

Elliott Wolf is not even being mentioned for any of the open jobs. Is it just the Wolf name that gets you excited?
As for Hayward NO ONE was on the you have to sign him band wagon for the year before he was left to FA. Have any of you actually looked at his production over those three years leading up to him going to FA. Tell me now your crystal ball said he would play well.

Hyde? Now that is a laugh he was playing well when his new teams defensive front was on fire, some injuries later he has fallen off the field. Hyde made splash plays and he gave up more splash plays, damn shame so many are blinded by making some plays and ignore the bad ones.

Lang just came off the third year in a row that he required surgery, and he had to have two different ones after the 2016 season.
And his FA signed replacement is no let down.

Face it you hate TT, and choose to ignore injuries as the reason for the teams record this year.
Of course I suppose someone that thinks as you would blame TT for not having practice squad players that have had to start multiple games this year are not All Pro's.
Is everything perfect? Hell no, but the fact remains no team in the NFL has been more effected by injuries then then the Packers, and anyone that blames that on TT well, you know what you are.

Until we post a losing record or we don't make the playoffs 2 years in a row I wouldn't expect anything to change. The fan base is still strong and the money continues to roll in. So why change anything? What I expect to see is Capers being given his gold watch and thanked for his illustrious service and defensive genius and then shown the door. This is my hope.

4thand1 my point was the Yankees and the Giants made necessary moves and they both listen to the fans gripes because they need their fans support , apparently the Packers don't listen to their fan base because Lambeau is always full as opposed to Yankee and Giants stadiums that will be half empty if the teams don't produce.

Nothing's going to change like Murphy just got done stating he wants Ted Thompson to last as long as possible so nothing's going to change guys get ready for more losing years and more waste of Aaron Rodgers time 12 years in the playoffs and we only went to the Superbowl 1x. Pathetic. If you do everything the same as you've always done then you're always going to have what you have right now.

I know it is really hard to win a Super Bowl, but Farve and Rodgers seem destined to both finish their careers as the two best QBs to ever play the game with only one Super Bowl win to show for it. I'm not sure what it all means, but it means something. Maybe the problem is that once people got their Super Bowls under their belts they just felt too safe.

Hard to win a Super Bowl?

Since we beat the Pats in 1997, they've been to what, 7 more? To our two more?

Just sayin ..... ....

We've had Dom Capers way too long buddy that's the only thing I see that has always hurt us is our feaking bad defenses

Offenses get you to the playoffs but the defense get you to the Super Bowl and wins it

"Thompson’s contract is over the day after the 2018 NFL Draft"

I have heard that his contract runs until 2018 season is over

I don’t understand why so many fans seem to think Eliot Wolf will be the second coming of his father. He is unproven. So is Brian Gutekunst for that matter. Those two have presumably been Ted Thompson’s go-to guys at draft time. We don’t know how much or how little influence they have over TT. I hope the Packers will at least interview a handful of GM candidates outside Green Bay when the time comes to choose Thompson’s successor.

it is time to make serious management changes. But I have zero faith that it will happen. This is beyond ridiculous. To piggyback off a previous post the body of work over TT’s tenure is absolute failure.

The only coach to actually get fired was a special teams coach over the last 7 years? Was ST's that much worse than the defense?

You can’t keep giving Thompson and Capers a pass anymore. We’ve been waiting for a top 10 Defense for years now. Capers is good, and can disguise well, but he’s too cute. We need a Jim Schwartz swagger with a 3-4 type of defense. The secondary is a mess. And it’s just unfathomable to me that you let Heyward walk for a few million, and then Hyde. And BOTH don’t receive at least an offer, and blow up the league. Your answers were staring you in the face. You don’t need to draft if you have players on roster. I understand the cap ramifications, but what makes this more egregious is they weren’t breaking the bank by any means on the FA market. Randall, Rollins, King....unproven. So we’re wasting more draft picks again this year trying to fix a secondary that had the answers in place. And if you’re the boss who didn’t see that, you’ve got to go, or at least step down and advise, but let someone else make the call.

We’re like the Oakland Athletics of the NFL. Moneyball. We’ll draft em, develop em, and let them get good. When it’s time to pay them and they’re in their prime, let them go. Or, they’re past prime on way down, and we get them on the cheap again and hope they out perform. With two exceptions...Rodgers and Matthews. Good job Ted. Stratify. Belichick does.

I am afraid the train has left the station. The management team that made this organization great has been raided and our management has been decimated. McKenzie, Dorsey, Schneider, plus 3 great college scouts have all left. In it's place is a shell of an organization. Young Wolf by name, has been anointed as the candidate most likely to take his place. Ron Wolf was great, but nepotism often does NOT mean the offspring has the same savvy, instinct, courage, and knowledge as the father. Lombardi's son is a perfect example.

The Packers heartbeat is Aaron Rodgers, he by himself has shielded the Packer administration from a lot of hard criticism that in other organizations would be on the table.

Dom Capers, whether it is because of players provided, or his being out of touch with the personalities of this generation of football players and new today's offensive schemes should have been cut from this organization a long time ago. This is solely on Thompson shoulders. If management had an ounce of guts they would grab Leonard from the Badgers before he is stolen by another NFL brain trust.

To give Thompson some credit, he has been slotted annually in the worst draft position possible, but so has New England. The last time Thompson had a decent position to draft he got Raji and Mathews. The NFL parity scheme has not been a friend of the Packers.

After watching the Rams vs Eagles game it became so clear how far away the Packers are from really being a super bowl contender. To think that we have any shot this year or the next, or the next, is just wishful thinking and great marketing by the Packers.

Yes, beating the Browns gave Packer fans a weekend to rejoice, but come on it was the Browns for Pete's. sake. The Browns future in Dorsey's hands and their position in the draft will guarantee a bright future for that organization. A team on the rise.

The Packers are a team on the descent. Their star players are aging, management is questionable and the future I fear is going to be reminiscent of the 80's for this organization. Brace yourselves Packers faithful, without a hall of fame quarterback at the helm we will return to mediocrity at best.

I am a Packer fan and have not missed but a handful of games in over half a century. I will still watch til the day I die. But history has a way of repeating itself and unfortunately unless there is some drastic management changes I fear mediocrity it is here to stay for a while.