Gut Reactions: More of the same from a bad Packers team
Aaron gives his gut reactions to another Packers loss.
By PackerAaron
- Pretty much at the point where I'm just drinking beer, watching ball and hoping to see a big play during the inevitable second half comeback.
- This team can't beat anybody but themselves.
- Drops and penalties killed them on offense today.
- In fact penalties killed them in general.
- This just doesn't look like a well coached team in any phase.
- The Packers have the worst 4th down defense in the league because teams know they can get into 4th and short very easily.
- Brief shining moment getting Yosh in there and then he gets hurt. Of course.
- Jaire is a shell of what he should be.
- Seriously guys. Catch the fucking ball.
- Struggling with things to say when we see the same shit week after week after week.
- After the media leaves at the start of practice, I'm convinced they all have a good a laugh and say to each other "They think we practice!"
- I wonder what kind of assurances Brian and Matt got from Murphy at the start of the year. "Look guys, I know this year is going to be rough. This is a two year process and no matter how bad it gets this season, you're both back next year." It's literally the only explanation for how this roster was constructed and how its being coached.
- I told my girlfriend I'm not going to shave until the Packers win again. I'm going to look like David Letterman.
- Go Pack.
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Comments (300)
13TimeChamps
October 29, 2023 at 03:34 pm
This offense just seems beyond fixable. I mean, where do you even start? Inaccurate QB, WRs dropping catchable balls, an Oline that's just bad, horrible game plans that never change or evolve.
Is it 2024 yet?
13TimeChamps
October 29, 2023 at 03:49 pm
Normally I never care about thumbs down. But I'm really curious to the 3...at this point...please tell me what's inaccurate about what I posted. Please enlighten me.
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 03:56 pm
I gave you a huge thumbs up… because you hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head!!!
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 03:57 pm
And people say the Bears suck?????
Cwilly
October 29, 2023 at 03:57 pm
Cuz you bashed the qb. Your not drinking the kool aid and see what the team is and the inept management. Rodgers which I hate to say made up for the lack of talent and coaching on this team. I agree with you but this is how things are going to be the rest of the year till we clean house and find a qb that can actually qb!
Packerpasty
October 29, 2023 at 05:02 pm
just homers who wont take off the green and gold glasses...they know the truth just wont accept it..
barutanseijin
October 29, 2023 at 06:11 pm
QB inaccuracy wasn’t the issue today. Love hit alot of guys in the hands.
MainePackFan
October 29, 2023 at 06:57 pm
He did, and then he didn't. Let's be honest, every facet of this team sucks right now, including Jordan Love.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 07:54 pm
He did. He also missed some. I would say that his play is not the primary team weakness.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 11:42 pm
It certainly wasn’t today
jjbathgate66
October 29, 2023 at 04:12 pm
The offensive line is junk, not setup to play this kind of football. Play calling is horrible, Love has no idea back there takes forever to get rid of the ball. He winds up and that's his first fault. No decision making on his part pundits had it right. Not the answer there is no middle of the field passing game, short useless passes and then throws bombs that have no chance of completions. Blow it up while you still can, I haven't even mentioned the D coordinator, just can't dial up a 3rd down scheme. Opposition is automatic on third down. These guys who are up for contract renewal guess what do something on the field then we will talk, Gary and Love sorry your games don't warrant an extension at this point. No question heartless bunch close to worst team in league definitely the worst coaching staff. 3-14 is certainly in the cards.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:00 pm
"Love has no idea back there takes forever to get rid of the ball."
That's more inacurrate than his throwing. He got rid of it quickly several times, and even strung a few positive plays together like that.
He takes deep shots that aren't there. He shouldn't try threading needles. The middle of the field was in play and that has mostly disappeared. That could be coaches adjusting to excessive interceptions, but we're not privy to what's going on there.
I didn't see Tucker Kraft get his chance today. I'm not sure Musgrave was really ready to go. Ja certainly didn't appear to be.
Do we know anything about Nijman's injury tonight?
Grandfathered
October 29, 2023 at 05:22 pm
I gave you a down because the offense is fixable if they can stop dumb penalties and if they can execute, but mostly because I'm tired of people who said at the beginning of the year "we have to excpect a bad season from a young team" and now get upset when it happens. Not you personally
13TimeChamps
October 29, 2023 at 08:20 pm
I was among those who said the W/L record this year was secondary to seeing incremental improvement to show the team is on the right track moving forward.
I'm not necessarily upset with our record. I'm upset because there has been no discernable improvement week to week. Quite the opposite actually. It's week 7 and we had more penalties than points. Another 1st half coming out flat and unprepared and completely wasted, hoping for a 2nd half miracle.
I hope you're right this offense is fixable. Not sure what you're basing that on to be honest.
NFLfan
October 29, 2023 at 10:48 pm
Comments need to be stamped & sent to:
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It's not enough to preach to the choir.
Barnacle
October 30, 2023 at 06:50 am
Management’s strategic plan………..
1) Draft great athletes(not great college players).
2) Hire cheap(unproven) managers, coaches and coordinators.
3) Pay huge guanteed money to old injury prone pre retirees.
4) Allow young 4th year athletes who now understand how to play pro football go to another team to demonstrate there value.
5) Do not punish incompetence and hurt some millionaire’s feelings.
Cwilly
October 29, 2023 at 03:34 pm
Yes drops are a problem but our qb has no awareness whatsoever. He can’t hit anyone over 20 yards downfield. And the qb runs on 3rd and 4th an long are embarrassing. I just hope we clean house so with our top 5 pick we actually hit a playmaker that can change this team. Maybe we get one of those blue chip qbs. If not a real difference maker that could propel this team for the future. I just don’t want Gute being that guy with the pick or it will be a waste.
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 03:47 pm
This shit show is HIS production. Clark and A.Jones the only standing players left from Ted's reign.
Cwilly
October 29, 2023 at 03:59 pm
Yep your right but hopefully we start with a new slate next year to rectify this organizational mess in Green Bay!
barutanseijin
October 29, 2023 at 06:22 pm
It does seem like every Packer was overdrafted, even the 7th rounders.
Gutekunst is a TT protege. Nothing has changed in terms of draft philosophy. TT loved to draft physical specimens, just like Gutekunst. That’s how the Packers ended up with JAGs like Mike Neal.
Celise...
October 29, 2023 at 09:36 pm
i still say this shit show is mark murphys! there is a reason he took full control of football operations back 4 or 5 years ago and it wasn't to let the decisions be made by just the gm. gutey is nothing more than the fall guy and until full control is given back to the gm just like harlan did when he took over we will not have a winning team. no different than jones in dallas
Basileus P
October 29, 2023 at 07:31 pm
Agreed. This is Brian Gutekunst's team. LaFleur is an average coach at best. Every team in the NFL has talent, but not every team has a good coaching staff.
NickPerry
October 29, 2023 at 03:34 pm
There's just nothing to say other than... This is a horrible team. A horrible coaching staff. Horrible efforts even from the veterans.
#WHAT A JOKE #PAINFULL #FIRE THEM ALL
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:00 pm
Couldn’t agree with you more!!!
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:01 pm
2-15. Should be enough for a 1st pick of the draft… TYANK anyone?
kozmo
October 29, 2023 at 04:58 pm
they aren't picking a qb if they get that pick
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:04 pm
Marvin Harrison Jr can change a whole team.
Packerpasty
October 29, 2023 at 05:04 pm
start trading, except who will this management pick with the draft picks??
RobinsonDavis
October 29, 2023 at 03:35 pm
I want a new stat. Offensive penalty yards + opportunity yards lost due to drops.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 04:24 pm
I believed they flashed that stat during the game.
Stating the packers are the most penalized team this year.
PeteK
October 30, 2023 at 10:41 am
Could be as Buffalo and Niners have 55 to our 52, we played one less game . However, we won the prize this week.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 03:35 pm
Exactly. The same game each week. It’s time to let LaFleur go. He’s clearly got no idea and not do his coaches. Love was not the problem either. He looks better let loose than whatever out first halves are. He’s more Favre and perhaps we need yo accept it. The only receiver that didn’t drop a sitter(s) at a key moment was Toure. I don’t think he was targeted.
I think we have finally seen the Nijman isn’t an upgrade disproven. Now shift Myers out for Tom and try to stem the obvious and get the run going. Stenovich simply can’t be allowed to make personnel decisions. If we want to run it we can’t allow him to continue.
The D was not the issue today really, but it showed why it’s never the hero. The secondary were as bad as the front was good on D. Typical Barry. Stop one, melt on the other.
CUT THE EQUIVOCATION: LAFLEUR SHOULD BE GONE TONIGHT IF THIS IS A FUNCTIONING ORGANIZATION.
Cwilly
October 29, 2023 at 03:38 pm
D played well for being on the field the whole game. Now the offense is another story. Bad qb play and drops didn’t help today. And to play the d we did and still do nothing speaks volumes to the direction this team offensively is going. I can’t stand Rodgers but he sure made up for the lack of talent on offense and even old and inaccurate played better than Love.
coolhand
October 29, 2023 at 03:47 pm
barryball was terrible on 3rd down. How many 3rd and long did they give up? It was a disaster, just not as bad as the offense
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 03:48 pm
The D gave up two long scoring drives, giving up 3rd and long yardage plays along the way.
barutanseijin
October 29, 2023 at 06:27 pm
If you look at Love’s stat line, it’s pretty much like one of Rodgers from last year. There were bigger problems than Love.
MainePackFan
October 29, 2023 at 07:15 pm
Soooo...Rodgers sucked last year and that was the problem. Love sucks this year and it's not a big problem. Got it.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Did you really expect Love to carry this team this year? If so, that’s the problem. Rodgers could not in his historical good first year of what would become a hall of fame career. If you can’t see the cavernous hole in the logic of your response then you aren’t looking.
MainePackFan
October 30, 2023 at 05:42 am
I never had expectations that Love could carry this team. I felt the the same last year regarding Rodgers. He was no longer capable of putting this team on his shoulders. QB play was a problem last year, and an even bigger problem this year.
We don't know at this point whether Love is the QB of the future. Hopefully he shows improvement going forward, but considering what the Packers invested, to say there are bigger problems than that would suggest a "cavernous hole in the logic of your response".
: )
PearlyBakerBest
October 30, 2023 at 02:59 pm
You said I wasn’t worth reading for saying the exact same thing four months ago. Between you and that idiot poet wannabe Karyn, you two have got the hypocrisy covered for this site.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 04:07 pm
Your so wrong. Love is the problem.
Go back and watch the game.
You had a bitch with Barry..
And that is the only reason MLF
should be fired.
Rushing two guys with all these drafted Rushers.
Is stupidity.
NickPerry
October 29, 2023 at 05:15 pm
"Your so wrong. Love is the problem.
Go back and watch the game."
Go back and watch the game? Umm No offense SH but you done lost your mind if you think I'd watch THAT performance again!
And it's not all on Love. This team is NEVER ready to play. NEVER has a sound gameplan, and is ALWAYS outcoached.
White92
October 29, 2023 at 06:18 pm
💯 even with Rodgers they would get out coached in big games.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 07:06 pm
Fire whom you want. Love is the problem.
Bure9620
October 29, 2023 at 05:28 pm
I can't disagree. I don't mind watching young players grow but holy crap. The whiffed blocks, blown coverages, poor routes, wrong routes, the penalties, the mistakes on every play. This is coaching. This is more MLF than Gutekunst.
White92
October 29, 2023 at 06:22 pm
I dunno man. A team doesn't just "go young" on purpose. It's a result of bad drafting, bad development, and bad cap management. 2 of those 3 are on the GM.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:10 pm
Not in this organizational structure they're not.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 11:48 pm
Unless you count Murphy as GM. In the Harlen sense he is, self appointed.
White92
October 29, 2023 at 06:22 pm
I dunno man. A team doesn't just "go young" on purpose. It's a result of bad drafting, bad development, and bad cap management. 2 of those 3 are on the GM.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:09 pm
I don't see Gutey as the problem. He did what he could with what he had. Every one of these players could be substantially better with competent coaching.
CanPackFan
October 29, 2023 at 06:21 pm
Yup. And we've got Rich B ready to take over as an interim HC. But we know it won't happen. I think it's called Murphys Law lol!
Bitternotsour
October 29, 2023 at 06:23 pm
Do you honestly want a CTE addled Mark Murphy picking the next Head Coach? Christ, I'd rather live with two years of LaFleur and failure than have Murphy saddling us with what he decides is our future.
If anyone gets fired it should be Murphy, short of firing Murphy, they should reestablish the GM as head of football operations and have everything running thru that office.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:12 pm
Sir, this is the internet. You're not allowed to be that sensible.
Bitternotsour
October 29, 2023 at 08:53 pm
I'll return to snark. I prefer it to sensibility.
Celise...
October 29, 2023 at 09:44 pm
couldn't agree more
NickPerry
October 30, 2023 at 06:14 am
I agree but Murphy isn't going ANWHERE until July of 2025 when it's a mandatory. Perhaps the BOD could step in but aren't they all people Murphy has hand picked himself for the most part.
I've been saying it for a few years now. Murphy IS the problem, MLF is Murphy's guy. So was Gute. My biggest question is does EVERYBODY really suck this bad? Personally, IMO, I don't think so. But I've said from the day LaFleur was hired his staff is the Who's who of who the hell are you?
PearlyBakerBest
October 29, 2023 at 03:35 pm
It’s like Vic said. You get what you emphasize. Although I’m not sure what that is. Such an undisciplined team.
packerbackerjim
October 29, 2023 at 03:35 pm
Nags,you’re going to resemble Rip Van Winkle by the looks of it. GB is astute at finding numerous ways to lose.
dblbogey
October 29, 2023 at 04:19 pm
Such negativity - I think if we added 3-4 really good offensive linemen, a true stud #1 receiver, and a young phenom at RB, this offense, under MLF, could be mediocre.
KKB
October 29, 2023 at 04:21 pm
You will look like ZZ Top.
badaxed
October 29, 2023 at 04:30 pm
More like ZZ Top look for nags
GoldenRetriever
October 29, 2023 at 05:19 pm
But without the saving grace of the 20 year nap.
NickPerry
October 29, 2023 at 03:36 pm
"I told my girlfriend I'm not going to shave until the Packers win again. I'm going to look like David Letterman. "
Get used to the beard. They won't win again this season. Carolina will BEAT them!
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 03:43 pm
As long as Love is the Qb.
Untylu1968
October 29, 2023 at 03:47 pm
Love is a major issue, but the entire team is a shit show! I just walked out of Lambeau, and I've had better vibes leaving a funeral..
LambeauPlain
October 30, 2023 at 11:53 am
My wife and I did too...early in the 4th. I NEVER boo the Packers and I was saddened by fans doing it with some of MLF's milquetoast play calls down by two TDs.
The best O player on the Packers had is barely included in MLF's game plan. Gutey may as well trade Jonesy since he can't fire the HC. But I expect MM would veto that too.
If the play calls this year resemble last year, I can see why AR changed the play in the huddle or pre snap so many times. Now MLF is demanding Love run what he calls...and the kid is doing just that...and giving MLF the results he seeks but never finds. MN DC Foles just destroyed MLF strategically and tactically. Foles could have been his DC. Wow...just wow.
On D, Barry again rushes 4, plays zone, and dares the Purple to pass on him. So they do and Cousins average 10 yards/pass and marches down the field into the end zone taking what is given. They barely exploiting the poorest run D in the NFL and just passed underneath. Just the same old stale, stubborn, ineffective Barry Ball. What did the Ugly Purple have...80 plays on offense?
Coach Cleve Steamer
October 29, 2023 at 04:57 pm
He’s really unprepared but he takes the blame for being himself. All I heard this summer that Love was Ready but it’s LaFleur and his staff who worked with him and that’s not on. Love That’s on LaFleur. Love deserves the rest of the season if only for the experience. This is a mess for sure but we better accept it. Like the Lions fans and now Vikings fans owning the Lambeau Leap. Soft and spoiled after 30 years of mostly very competitive teams.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 06:16 pm
Sorry, but when the breakdown is this all encompassing, he deserves nothing but the slam of the door behind him. Attitude may not make us good but it will make us better, now and for the future of those who do have talent.
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 06:34 pm
Love needs to work on his footwork. When they went more Air Raid, hurry up he did better as well as the Pack, but he has to hit Watson cleanly and the WRs have to hang on to the ball when he delivers it to their mitts. Five drops. The game plans in the first half of these games are putrid. No attacking, just reading. The O line iis ??
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 08:04 pm
Love is a bad QB. The footwork won't help.
He can't lead his receivers down field.
Can't you see the air and how they're waiting for the ball.?
I want him OUT-- Out - Out-
I'll take any rookie over him.
RobinsonDavis
October 29, 2023 at 08:10 pm
Well stated. As an example, Jordan was short on the throw to a wide-open Doubs for about 15 yards, specifically because of mechanics. Our receivers at times couldn't catch a loaf of bread if was tossed to them during a famine. My son and I recall 7 drops...maybe more.
Davante dropped lots of balls during his first couple of years, but Rodgers had Jordy, James Jones, and Cobb to bail the Pack out at times. Love has basically 5 newbies. I origlnally questioned whether we really needed a veteran presence, but leadership is missing, minus our backs. We just don't have the cap for this imo. At this pace we have the #5 or 6 pick next year. Marvin Harrison, Jr.'s hands, look good to me.
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 09:33 pm
He will be gone by pick number two, or three.
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:05 pm
My prediction exactly
Lare
October 29, 2023 at 03:36 pm
Definitely in the running for the #1 pick in the draft.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 08:06 pm
Expect a trade down then up.
Then will burn that extra pick on a bust.
Since'61
October 29, 2023 at 03:37 pm
Another poor and sloppy effort by the 2023 Packers. 11 Penalties, dropped passes, 4 sacks allowed, only 23 minutes TOP, etc.
Usually a blocked kick turns a game around and maybe even a season. But this Packers offense couldn't convert the opportunity or make anything out of recovering a viking fumble in the red zone after Cousins went out with an injury.
The team, especially the offense has become very difficult and very frustrating to watch. Once again only 11 touches for Aaron Jones. Why?
I agree with Nagler, there is just not much else to say week after week of poor and sloppy efforts by this Packers team particularly on the offense.
Where does this team go from here. Bring on the Rams. Thanks, Since '61
Lphill
October 29, 2023 at 03:39 pm
I saw a stat that Jones only had 7 touches.
13TimeChamps
October 29, 2023 at 03:58 pm
7 rushes plus 4 receptions equals 11 touches. Does that help?
Cwilly
October 29, 2023 at 03:42 pm
Do you think after this season we should invest in another qb? I don’t see things getting better with Love under center. I’m fine playing him the rest of the year but I don’t think he’s going to be able to overcome his accuracy issues and awareness on the field.
Untylu1968
October 29, 2023 at 03:51 pm
We need to get back to the ron wolf way, and draft a QB every year. You just never know where you might find a gem.
Packerfansupreme
October 29, 2023 at 05:43 pm
I think we are seeing the slow death of the ron wolf tree
I think we need a more modern approach to roster building
barutanseijin
October 29, 2023 at 06:32 pm
Dorsey is in Detroit. They seem to be doing OK. Schneider is still shrewd as ever. I think it’s the TT branch of the tree that’s withering.
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 03:51 pm
Invest in a new GM.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 04:33 pm
Murphy made this, but that’s too much to hope for
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 06:01 pm
He didn't select these Players. There is no defense of Gute, now. The trees are are exposed. I have no defense for Murphy dating to the Favre retirement fiasco, the Coverup regarding Ted's health, or his usurption of power with the Silage Committee. Now is the time for a total renewal.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 06:27 pm
He hired both LaFleur and Gute. They both report to him. In his own words, his structure means he bears ultimate responsibility, indeed that was one of his big justifications. Gute maybe many things, but the coaches and their dysfunction are not his doing.
Since'61
October 29, 2023 at 05:58 pm
Cwilly - I think that it's too soon to judge Love. When Rodgers was traded and Love was named the starting QB I said that we need to give him 2 seasons. I still believe that's fair especially given the fact that how poorly the OL has played so far this season and the lack of experience in the receiving corps. Another factor is the coaching, specifically the lack of touches for Jones and the number of penalties.
Having said that I do think the Packers should draft another QB in the 2024 draft especially if they end with a top 10 pick. But let's see how how the rest of this season goes first. Thanks, Since '61
MainePackFan
October 30, 2023 at 07:54 am
" I think that it's too soon to judge Love."
Since'61. I would say it's fair to judge Love's play up to this point as less than encouraging, but I agree that it's too early to judge whether or not he can make the adjustments to become a viable NFL QB. That remains to be seen. Hopefully we start to see the growth that, thus far, has been sorely lacking.
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:07 pm
The presser question should be…. Why no Jones… and when will you’all begone(coaches)… name me one coach that is doing his job!!! (Most likely you can’t… and definitely won’t!)
Lphill
October 29, 2023 at 03:38 pm
Aaron Jones 7 carries says it all , before the season began the thought was leaning on the run to take the pressure off Love , that’s not what it looks like now.
kozmo
October 29, 2023 at 04:02 pm
you cant run the ball when your in 3rd and 20.....thoae penalties are killer.....and the drops just WOW
And Love is not the problem. I also think he will start hitting those deep shots
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:08 pm
He hasn’t been close on those “long shots”…
barutanseijin
October 29, 2023 at 06:37 pm
You see only what you have decided you will see. That’s why you missed the drops on longer throws.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:20 pm
That's because the O line can't run block. And our "best 5" have never been on the field.
gkarl
October 29, 2023 at 03:39 pm
Well the Packers are at least consistent. Consistently bad and poorly coached.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:21 pm
Continuity, it's our identity.
Packerfansupreme
October 29, 2023 at 03:40 pm
I really hope Gutey, lafleur, steno, and berry are all gone next season
NJ-RICK
October 29, 2023 at 04:04 pm
Thank You, I've been saying that since last season. Need to make significant changes in the Front Office. I have already written off this season, but I don't want to see these idiots in the front office come draft day 2024. Poor drafting and lack of free agent acquisitions. And then throw in the fact that the team is in salary cap hell for the next two years. FIRE MGT now...!!!!!
White92
October 29, 2023 at 06:27 pm
Couldn't agree more. I was saying this before the season started. Folks here said experience is overrated, MLF is a great coach because of his record, and this was a 10 win or division winning team. Ha
Packerlifer
October 29, 2023 at 06:04 pm
Don’t get your hope up. The Packers will stand pat in 2024, promising things will get better and citing the 3 13 wins seasons as capital for MLF & Gutey. If they don’t win next year Murphy will not want to pull the plug in the year he’s retiring. A new ceo probably won’t feel comfortable tearing up the football operation in his first year. So that means they’ll be here in 2025.
So don’t expect any big change till 2026 at earliest, if time proves that to warranted. See the Packers history prior to Lombardi and the Bengtson, Devine, Starr and Gregg years for examples. 😔
bullsa21
October 29, 2023 at 06:23 pm
Remember it was Murphy s call to hire MLF. His silos needed to get in line or else! Time to fire Murphy!
Packerlifer
October 29, 2023 at 07:07 pm
Won’t happen. Doesn’t do nothing to chant for it. Like opening with a 2 yd pass to Musgrave.
GoldenRetriever
October 29, 2023 at 11:31 pm
Murphy should simply retire.
Grandfathered
October 29, 2023 at 06:48 pm
Are you not entertained? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
LeotisHarris
October 29, 2023 at 07:42 pm
Is. This. Not. Why. You. Are. Here?
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:22 pm
Why Gutey? He's done a good job with what he had to work with.
NickPerry
October 29, 2023 at 03:41 pm
It's time to let LaFleur go, hire Rich Bisaccia as the intern HC because well, there's NO BODY else and that should tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about the ineptitude of this entire staff.
LOL...I wonder if Steno still thinks Josh Meyers is playing the best ball of his career?
Fucking whole coaching staff are PUTZS!
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:09 pm
See my above comment!
coolhand
October 29, 2023 at 05:39 pm
Did you see Myers missed block in the first series on 3rd and short where he just lunged forward and the defender slipped it and made the tackle for a loss?
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:23 pm
Yup. It was painful.
Packerfansupreme
October 29, 2023 at 05:46 pm
Right about Steno
I couldnt believe he said that about Josh myers
Steno is either insane, or flat out lying
MooPack
October 29, 2023 at 03:44 pm
Packers assistant coach - "We need to work on QB/WR pass/catch timing, placement, in stride, contested balls for hours, every week for the rest of the year."
Packers head coach - "That's just silly. My behind the line schemes are all we need. Besides, we have the 2nd half of games to practice that after we get behind."
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 03:57 pm
None of these guys have a basketball background.
Their more a Jennings then a Adams.
Regardless they will regress with Love at QB.
Until he improves his accuracy.
There is No hope for this team-
MooPack
October 29, 2023 at 03:59 pm
Yes, Love needs to improve accuracy. No dispute. But we both saw receivers muffing pass after pass that hits them in the hands. No dispute.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:25 pm
What assistant coach said that?
pacman
October 29, 2023 at 03:46 pm
I don't know much about being a head coach but apparently MLF doesn't either. This team is truly an embarrassment to the franchise.
Yes, there were a lot of drops today but there were also a lot of bad throws.
Receivers can improve (remember Davantes 2nd year) but I don't think Love will
improve much. There's just a natural feel to throwing the ball that he does not have.
I don't think you can teach that or fix it.
The DL was a bit better today but the OL was not.
Bring back McCarthy. At least they basically played fundamental football then.
(Did I actually say that?)
Another sad day in GB. How can they stand this?
snowdog
October 30, 2023 at 05:58 pm
Pad level
atundraman
October 29, 2023 at 03:50 pm
I think a lot of this comes back to Gutey.
His devotion to the almighty RAS is why we have so many under-performing high pick players. They look great on paper but we need football players not experts at the 3 cone shuttle.
It also seems that the high RAS players tend to be injury-prone.
Finally, I am tempted to break out the brown paper bag under the cheesehead for the game against the Rams.
PackerBO
October 29, 2023 at 04:11 pm
Well said!!! Football is a physical game played by men, and DAD helps but not always.
PackerBO
October 29, 2023 at 04:12 pm
Ras not dad
LeotisHarris
October 29, 2023 at 07:52 pm
"DAD" works pretty well, though. Just off the top of my head we have Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Nathaniel Hackett, Klint Kubiak, Klay Kubiak, Brain and Steve Belichick, Pete Carrol's sons, Andy Reid's son, Zac Taylor and on and on...
White92
October 29, 2023 at 06:33 pm
I was suspicious since his first draft when he took a punter and a long snapper
barutanseijin
October 29, 2023 at 06:40 pm
A bad punter and bad long snapper at that. WTF?
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:29 pm
Coaching is necessary for the develop part of draft and develop. We don't have a.competent coach. (RB & Tom Clements are possible exceptions)
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 03:52 pm
Sorry guys I don't see a poorly called game.
I see a QB that can't hit his Wrs or Tes.
Show me one play to them that their not waiting.
turning around or jumping for the Ball.
Jordan Love leads his RBs- Thats a Given.
And he can lead a guy within 5 yards.
But he can't throw the timed route.
He's screwed any WR that wants the ball.
It was said Reggie White wanted to come to GB
Because of #4 and God told him too.
Well Nobody is going to come to GB because of Love.
In Fact I now believe Adams left
because there was No future with Love.
Show me one play !! Just one!!!
kozmo
October 29, 2023 at 04:03 pm
what about the drops....Loves fault?
edp1959
October 29, 2023 at 04:11 pm
There were 40 drops last year, most in the NFL. But it was Rodger’s fault.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 04:15 pm
Ok lets look at the drops-
Jump ball to Watson. - In a crowd?
The takeaway from Reed. - He was waiting!
Every WR is doing a button Hook. Reaching back or waiting.
Lets go on-
The only properly thrown Ball was a drop to Wicks.
And he might have thought it was going to be low.
Low unless down the middle.
kozmo
October 29, 2023 at 09:54 pm
ya know I was watching highlights of the games today and there these receivers who caught the balll.....tough catches.....there were like 12 drops....the ball to jones was perfect...the ball to Musgrave...perfect. Look you dont like Love, fine....but I would think you should really be pised about 8 penalties in the first half. Hows a good holding call to kill a drive. I disagree.....by the way how many picks did Payton manning throw his first year as a starter?....28.....I wonder jowmany folks were calling for his head? Give it time
BruceC1960
October 29, 2023 at 04:07 pm
Do you ever stop? We get it you don’t like Jordan Love. We get it.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 04:19 pm
I Love the GB packers more.
If you don't want to see it.
This team is going back
to the hard times.
Show me one play, just one with timing.
Where the ball was properly thrown and caught!!
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 07:21 pm
The two high points to Watson hit his hands. He has to strong hand the nut ,just like Reed's. The whiffs to Doubs and Watson in the 4th Qtr comeback are inexcuseable. He is a long strider and needs to watch Brady's film to learn the shuffle. Purdy didn't look too hot under pressure today vs the Striped Cats and he has Kittle, Aiyuk and McCafferty. LaFleur doesn't do him any favors with the Play Selection opening these games. Face it, the O line would scare the hell out of Rodgers.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 08:15 pm
I want Love gone.
But your right about the OL.
Still- Loves timing is terrible.
I wish I could see your point.
But the zero for points is my point.
That isn't leadership
He just not accurate enough,
to waste anymore time on him.
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 09:51 pm
He should be better at the Game at this point in his career, given 3-1/2 years in the system. Steve Young went to Walsh and Holmgren's tutelage.when he sat behind Montana. Farve had Mariucci and Andy Reid. Big Difference with this clown operation guiding Love. Red flag for me was not having him on the game day actives during the covid year.
LaFleur is in way over his head w/out Rodgers helping hand. Love is his guy. He went all gaga along with Gutey to bag him over Hurts. His accuracy is tepid on routine tosses and on a line for others, Holmgren had conniption fits with Favre, remember?
Packerpasty
October 29, 2023 at 05:10 pm
well he's right though...he has a right to his opinion just like you..
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 06:20 pm
He has that right but the right to voice is accompanied the right to assess and respond, including to ridicule where appropriate. It’s not the right to be right, only to opine.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:31 pm
It's called OCD.
Oppy
October 29, 2023 at 04:56 pm
Watch an every-pass breakdown of Jordan Love by JT O'sullivan if you want an accurate and fair assessment of his play (or any QB's play, for that matter.)
Spoiler alert: Your assessment of Love is not even close to accurate.
Oppy
October 29, 2023 at 07:08 pm
Thumbs down guy(s): Watch the breakdowns. Just watch the every-pass breakdowns.
(Edited to pluralize "guy", since there's now 3 people who would rather just bitch and complain about Love than get an educated, insightful, and thorough review of his play from an ex-NFL QB who puts in the work and explains the nuance of every single pass play.)
stockholder
October 30, 2023 at 04:56 pm
Oppy- I wasn't bitching about the routes. Turn arounds.
The point was the accuracy and timing of Love.
He's not spot -on. The Wrs are making to many adjustments.
And even Reynaldo commented on the late timing to Reed.
My point was their not on target and always late!
You can't keep blaming everyone when the Zeros keep coming.
Oppy
October 30, 2023 at 06:34 pm
Watch the breakdowns. While it's not 100% consistency yet (of course), one of the things that repeatedly comes up is well placed throws and great timing getting the ball out with anticipation before the WR is into his break. Yes, other times, the placement is not what you want and sometimes he needs to get the ball out earlier- that all comes with PT on the field with your receivers over time.
LeotisHarris
October 29, 2023 at 08:02 pm
This is a really solid reply to anyone who's interested in QB play. O'Sullivan is honest in his assessments of all the QBs he reviews. I'd post a link, but CHTV got angry that I was spamming last time I tried so, check YouTube for JT O'Sullivan QB School.
It's great stuff, very informative in a fun presentation style. Or, you could continually post J0rDaN LovE Is Bad anD caN"T THrroW gooD and IS a LOOSER, ad nauseum. Life is all about choices.
Oppy
October 29, 2023 at 10:09 pm
Leotis, you only get one link per article.
Doesn't matter if it's different, unique links.. Only one.
ALSO, if you attempt to EDIT the post in which you placed a link, it takes that as a second attempt to post a link, and it will fudge it all up.
LeotisHarris
October 30, 2023 at 08:34 am
Thanks, Oppy
MainePackFan
October 30, 2023 at 08:41 am
Oppy, I've watched most of them. I think overall he is a fan of the talent, but he is also very critical of Love's mechanics, pocket presence and decision making. He repeatedly criticizes Love for stepping up in the pocket when he isn't forced to do so. and for not getting the pass out on time. I wouldn't call it a ringing endorsement by JT, but it's certainly not the failure that stockerholder sees.
By the way, for what it's worth, he often praises the scheme and play calling of Lafleur ; )
Oppy
October 30, 2023 at 06:36 pm
Maine, he praises the scheme and the plays.
That's a bit different than the play calling- and a far cry from the game planning.
As to the timing and the decision making- if you've been watching ALL the breakdowns- he calls the plays about 50/50 at this point- praising as much as wishing things were a bit better. It's what you expect from a first year starter.
MainePackFan
October 31, 2023 at 05:58 pm
I would say 50/50 is pretty accurate regarding Love's performance.
Oppy
October 30, 2023 at 06:37 pm
Want to add also, that Love's definitely been regressing as the OL play has become... what it is today. It's my #1 concern.
MainePackFan
October 31, 2023 at 06:04 pm
Jordan will learn that he can make the o-line better by getting the ball out. He can't sit in the pocket for 5 seconds and take a sack on 2nd and 5. The o-line's issues are with run blocking more than pass blocking which in itself causes play action problems.
Oppy
October 31, 2023 at 08:28 pm
He wasn't holding the ball the first 3-4 games of the season. He was delivering it on time.. Don't know what changed. Needs to get back to his earlier form.
MainePackFan
November 01, 2023 at 05:10 am
I agree.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 05:02 pm
You see what you choose. If you don’t see bad coaching, maybe you don’t see at all.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 07:15 pm
I see a bad QB.
First MM with you .
Now MLF.
Keep waiting-
You'll get sick of the changes.
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 07:42 pm
Like Pittsburgh with Tomlin?
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 11:59 pm
I was not a fire MM guy, though I came to see it as inevitable but not in season. That Ball-gutted roster was the real issue I was pointing at back then.
I am very definitely, proudly, leafing the charge to get LaFleur out of town tonight, in season, just to change the whole lackadaisical attitude starting now.
Oppy
October 29, 2023 at 05:04 pm
stop withe the Reggie stuff.
Reggie said God told him to sign with green bay.
Reggie mentioned after that fact, to play with Favre.
The reality? Reggie White went to the team that offered him the most money, and all the adults in the room knew that.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 07:10 pm
No he was offered more-
The Reality is Love is not what the packers need.
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 07:31 pm
You either get a guy like Burrow every blue moon, or you play like the Ravens with Jackson. Cousins looks to be done for the season. Ten more Games to go with this O line. If Rodgers was the QB, he would end up on IR. If he wanted to trade up for a guy, he should of went all-in on Herbert.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 08:19 pm
Yes- Trade for Herbert or don't draft one.
Remember when I said Hurts would be better than Love?
Oppy
October 29, 2023 at 10:17 pm
Ron Wolf says it was about the money.
"The top offer came from the 49ers, who put together a five-year, $19.5 million package. But the final two years of the deal were not guaranteed. If White got hurt, San Francisco could cut him. He did not like that. The Packers’ offer was for four years, but it came with no such catch. It was also slightly richer, at $17.6 million, and included more up-front money than any other deal. White would get a $4.5 million signing bonus and $4.5 million his first year. In his second season, he would earn $3.1 million. If he signed with Green Bay, in other words, White would get more than 51 percent of his money in the first year, and more than 68 percent by the end of his second. The 49ers were hamstrung by restrictions on how much money they could offer up front because they had reached the 1992 NFC Championship Game. NFL rules dictated that the league’s top four teams could sign free agents only after they had lost one first, and that the salary had to be based on the deal signed by the departed free agent. San Francisco was offering a $4 million signing bonus, but only $4.4 million in salary over the first two years.
“As it came down to the end, it just came down to money,” says Wolf. “And we spent more money than anybody else.”"
Oppy
October 30, 2023 at 06:39 pm
Just to clarify, as I re-read my comment and want to make sure it's not perceived as something it isn't: This is an excerpt from an article. The long paragraph is the work of the author; only the final quote is from Ron Wolf.
LeotisHarris
October 29, 2023 at 03:53 pm
The OL play is unwatchable. Mike Wahle said when you have average talent as an athlete your technique needs to be perfect on every play in order to have a chance to win. These guys do not have a stable base from which they operate. Moving players = rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. They're lousy because they are allowed to be lousy, and coached to be lousy.
Drops. Penalties. Jesus Christ!
While I did see some more physicality and intensity from the Packers today, it was far outweighed by the stupidity; both players and coaches.
I don't think it's too early to give up on Matt LaFleur. Cut him loose.
Jordan love still gets an opportunity to improve in my world. He's not the problem.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 04:00 pm
They will draft a LT.
And your seeing the stubbornness to get one.
Walker is No LT.
barutanseijin
October 29, 2023 at 06:46 pm
Walker was a 7th rounder. Maybe he should have been a UDFA. He was another case of Gutekunst trying to be cute with his bargain shopping.
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 07:40 pm
Van Ness is your LT. His draft strategy is right out of "Chaos Theory for Dummies."
Guam
October 29, 2023 at 05:03 pm
"...it was far outweighed by the stupidity:"
That was my take LH. The number of "mental error" penalties was inexcusable. The number of dropped passes was inexcusable. The number of Viking receivers running free in the secondary was inexcusable. There are players I am concerned about, but most of this is on the coaching staff. Poorly coached teams don't commit more penalties than points or first down in a half. Poorly coached teams try to run with the ball before catching it. Poorly coached teams don't drop eight into coverage and have a TE running free in the secondary.
This team plays like a high school team, not a professional team. Far too many basic and stupid mistakes.
How long will the front office tolerate this coaching disaster? IDK
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 07:41 pm
They made it....
RobinsonDavis
October 29, 2023 at 08:44 pm
Agree with many of your points LeotisHarris! Do we need to have the Wonderlic or some type of football intelligence score against the RAS?? Just give me football players.
NitschkeFromTheGrave
October 29, 2023 at 03:53 pm
Time To Clean House
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 04:01 pm
Start with Love first!
Oppy
October 29, 2023 at 04:57 pm
Watch all of JT O'sullivan's Jordan Love game reviews.
You are not a good evaluator of talent.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 07:17 pm
Garbage - Look at the stats in the first 1/2.
Oppy
October 29, 2023 at 10:21 pm
If you are so certain, just watch the fucking videos and you can then call them garbage.
They aren't garbage, they're fantastically insightful, and, PS- you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to evaluating talent.
Do we have to talk about Davante Adams' not being a good WR because all his yards came after the catch again?
KKB
October 29, 2023 at 04:26 pm
Flush those turds.
lkcsmith
October 29, 2023 at 03:55 pm
Please no more of this "we are a young team" excuse. Look at their Jordan Addison, he's a rookie but he outplayed all the Packer receivers by a mile.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 04:02 pm
He has a veteran QB that can lead him.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:39 pm
Yes.
Also, GB has always had a succession plan. There are no veterans to carry the Packer's way forward in too many positions.
Even that doesn't excuse the poor fundamentals.
RobinsonDavis
October 29, 2023 at 08:46 pm
On Point!
edp1959
October 29, 2023 at 03:55 pm
It’s OK don’t get discouraged, one of the so called experts on here predicted that Love would get 11 wins this season.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 04:44 pm
Like most here, he underestimated just how badly this coaching staff would be exposed.
edp1959
October 29, 2023 at 06:26 pm
Or maybe this expert and some others on here have no clue how to evaluate talent. This is the same coaching staff and defense as last year but that same group placed all the blame on one particular player on offense. It’s funny how the blame has now shifted. Yet, when anyone had these same concerns last year they were attacked.
Oppy
October 30, 2023 at 12:27 am
Aaron Rodgers: A huge problem.
Bitternotsour
October 29, 2023 at 05:00 pm
to be fair, no one imagined how inept the game plans would be, nor how unprepared the team is week-in and week-out.
edp1959
October 29, 2023 at 06:29 pm
Don’t believe that is a fair assessment at all, especially when that same assessment was not allowed last year. The only assessment allowed then was to blame #12.
Oppy
October 29, 2023 at 05:02 pm
I'll stick to 11-6 until the 7th loss, because you never know and I don't play revisionist history with my thoughts and predictions.
It's not the end of the world or unbearable for my ego to have been wrong.
That said.. Coldworld is correct. I absolutely underestimated how poorly coached this team is, which I stated a week or two ago. To consistently see the same mental mistakes/penalties week after week, and to consistently see the Packers come out with horrible game plans that seem to lack any direction- and to see both of the above after long weeks to prepare on top of it? Unbelievable.
Swisch
October 29, 2023 at 04:05 pm
We can salvage something of this terrible slump in the next couple of days by doing something positive regarding personnel at the trade deadline -- perhaps a veteran wide receiver and/or a veteran offensive lineman -- or, as in addition by subtraction, possibly firing a coach.
It's always risky going with too much youth, and I wonder if our budding wide receivers even know their routes yet with any kind of competence.
Are pass catchers running wide open but Jordan Love is just not seeing them, or is throwing toward them inaccurately? Also, is Love getting the time from his blockers to make good throws?
***
I'm reluctant to give up on Jordan Love so soon unless he's really and truly totally inept. I highly doubt that.
Remember not only Bart Starr, but Steve Young, Vinny Testaverde, Doug Flutie, and Rich Gannon for perspective.
Even Jets QB Zach Wilson pulled off a clutch drive this afternoon.
It seems more likely that there's a coaching problem, or else a poor decision by upper management to go too heavily with youth.
***
We're miserable but not shocked about the Packers struggling this season, right?
I'm not okay with it, but can accept it.
Also, I'm not giving up on this season. Look at how the Vikings have turned things round.
If we get one wide receiver with some experience, and shore up the blocking, we can still get to .500 -- and maybe even nudge above it for a playoff spot.
Although I agree it's highly unlikely, it's possible, and we should try for it.
Last season we came back from a record of 4-8 to win four in a row, with an opportunity for the playoffs.
The Lombardi Packers struggled in the midst of his first season as head coach in 1959, then came on strong at the end.
***
It seems the talent is there.
If our guys are making stupid mistakes or just don't know what they're doing, perhaps it's time for Barry or LaFleur to go.
There's more than half a season to left.
Let's not quit.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 04:45 pm
We salvage something by jettisoning LaFleur and changing the culture. Nothing else will change anything.
Swisch
October 29, 2023 at 04:58 pm
You may be right, Coldworld.
Bitternotsour
October 29, 2023 at 06:42 pm
there's no salvaging this season, that's just reactive panic. i'm unwilling to have Mark Murphy choosing the next coach. send mark to the league meetings and let him vote in lockstep with his betters. keep his hands off the football side of this team.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:45 pm
Getting rid of Murphy might change quite a bit.
SinceLombardi
October 29, 2023 at 04:45 pm
Are you kidding? This team is not fixable with one or two players. This is a mistake prone team, with no identity on offense or defense.
Team leaders like Alexander and Jones are either under utilized ( Jones) or living off past accolades ( Alexander).
It’s not a situation where a few plays cost the game… it’s entire halves that consist of no points and 30 yards.. throw in about a dozen penalties, some drops and questionable play calling and you have one answer:
Matt LaFluer. The problem and the answer to the problem. Nobody else can be judged properly, unless they are quitting.
Swisch
October 29, 2023 at 05:08 pm
The Packers of 1958 were 1-10-1 and the laughingstock of the NFL.
Hornung was a first-round (top player taken in the 1957 draft) bust; Nitschke was a talented but seemingly unstable rookie; and Starr was practically invisible.
Lombardi turned things around pretty fast in 1959 to a record of 7-5, although even that team had a slump midseason.
Which is all to say that I'm okay with LaFleur leaving tomorrow.
I'm open to the more informed thoughts of SinceLombardi and Coldworld.
***
Even with a shakeup in coaching, it still may be good to get another couple of veteran players who could perhaps help bring out the best in our current crop of young guys.
Oppy
October 29, 2023 at 05:09 pm
To be fair, re: Alexander, I'm fairly certain he's playing injured. Whatever is up with his back, it's not fixed, he's playing through something, and it shows
Celise...
October 29, 2023 at 10:21 pm
yea, he's playing through a big head...throws him off balance
Swisch
October 29, 2023 at 04:57 pm
As long as I've got three down votes to zero upvotes already, I'll say that I'd like to get back Valdes-Scantling.
He's familiar with the Packers offense, and maybe to a lesser extent with Love.
He's perhaps underutilized with the Chiefs and available -- although he came up huge for them in the AFC Championship Game last season, just as he came up big for the Packers in the playoffs in years past.
***
I'm even entertaining the possibility of bringing back Davante, although his salary is probably too extravagant, if not impossible to fit under our tight salary cap.
***
Anyway, one savvy wide receiver could significantly pick up the passing game if the inexperienced guys improve in supporting roles.
Add a veteran blocker, plus rearrange the line, and that could boost the running game and the passing game.
A change of personnel could give the team a lift in time to make a strong run in the second half of the season.
It's not like we're getting blown out of games, and simply lacking in talent -- or is it . . . ?
***
If the key problem is actually ineptitude this far into the season -- such as penalties and drops and stupid mistakes -- perhaps it is time right now to replace LaFleur with Bisaccia at head coach to tighten things up and give our team more of an opportunity pull out some games going forward.
I think many of us were prepared for growing pains, but it's hard to make progress with sloppiness.
***
I'm still crazy after all these weeks -- though I don't claim to have the answers, just sincerely searching in my mental anguish due to the ugliness of the Packers.
I am against allowing the gloom and doom of panic to overwhelm us to the point of giving up on this season with more than half of it left to go.
Glad for other ideas to at least try to turn things around.
In any case, no talk of 2-15, or tanking.
The Green Bay Packers don't do quitting.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:52 pm
O line needs footwork. While personnel choice has been poor, without improving the footwork nothing's going to get that much better. And the entire O isn't going to do better than the O line.
I'm not sure that replacing O line positional coach, OC, and HC all at the same time is a great idea, but none of them are competent. And Butkus is a Bears plant.
Put Steno back to O line coach and MLF down to OC and you might have a team, assuming you had a HC and this was all done last March.
RobinsonDavis
October 29, 2023 at 08:55 pm
All of his points are true here. Appreciate the perspective
HarryHodag
October 29, 2023 at 04:07 pm
The most annoying thing to me is the total lack of effort to start the game. The second half comebacks prove this team is capable of moving the ball, etc. But not being prepared to start the game at full throttle is not excusable. I don't see the veterans stepping up to push the young players to do better. Drops are mental mistakes. Penalties are mental mistakes.
What I noticed was the Vikings defense is largely the same unit Green Bay controlled last year. But they added Brian Flores as coach this off season and the change in the Vikings defense is noticeable. Jim Schwartz took over a so-so Cleveland defense and they're doing outstanding this year. Joe Barry continues to coach the Packers defense. Enough said.
I was looking for slow steady progress as the season wears on. What I see is an offense that is literally worse than they were the week before. The offense reminded me of the Forrest Gregg years when they couldn't score a touchdown if their lives depended on it. The play calling appalling. How about rolling Jordan Love out and creating spaces to throw? Lost on Stenavich/MLF.
I could go on, but what's the point? I'll watch this play out but it is even worse than I imagined.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 04:31 pm
The most annoying thing to me is the total lack of effort to start the game.
Love is in a two minute drill.
A good coach would do 4min.
The throws were up the middle.
And the defense is in a prevent at that point.
(As Long as He's got everything in front of him.)
But he still will always come up short of the 1st down
if he doesn't follow his blockers.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 04:48 pm
Fantasy.
CheesedDeadHead
October 29, 2023 at 05:25 pm
Delusion, fantasy can be very entertaining, being so twisted that every image you perceive is distorted is just sad.
SinceLombardi
October 29, 2023 at 04:48 pm
Keep in mind the opponents defense is easier to move the ball on in the second half because Green Bay is usually down by three scores
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 07:19 pm
Exactly-
NJ-RICK
October 29, 2023 at 04:09 pm
Have you seen enough Packer faithful...? Time to clean house in the front office... Poor drafting and lack of free agents. Then throw in the team is in salary cap hell for the next two years. I don't want these idiots around come April 2024 NFL draft day. It all starts at the top folks this is there team. FIRE MGT...!!!!!!!!
coolhand
October 29, 2023 at 07:19 pm
Fire management but who would hire their replacements, Murphy? He hired the flower after 1 interview so I would not trust him to make any decision regarding the team's future
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:56 pm
Gutey couldn't get free agents. You're making no sense.
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:11 pm
There are five fundamental qualities that make every team great: communication, trust, collective responsibility, caring and pride. I like to think of each as a separate finger on the fist. Any one individually is important. But all of them together are unbeatable.”
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:56 pm
Thanks… Coach “K”!
splitpea1
October 29, 2023 at 04:15 pm
No, you're going to look like a shipwrecked sailor....I would image most fans feel helpless now as the incompetence and hopelessness stretch to the horizon. As was noted, the only thing the Packers do well right now is sabotage themselves with mistakes.
Absolutely absurd that it took this team until late in the second half to get a first down.
Too many easy completions to Hockenson.
How did I know the Packers would be unable to score after recovering a fumble at the Minnesota 15?
Three good things: Campbell had 14 tackles in his return, the blocked FG, and the run defense.
Let the bitch-a-thon continue; there's no other recourse and it's well-deserved.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 04:58 pm
Nicely summarized. But the time for bitching is past. The time has come to act. There is no way to get meaningfully worse by removing LaFleur. There’s no credible Avenue to not see the dysfunction in his team or the futility of his game plans.
Any future bitching should be on why Murphy has taken so long, this is his baby. As he said? If the Packers font do well, it’s inevitably on him with his structure. Well now that fowl has come home to roost.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:58 pm
Tis a very foul fowl.
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:15 pm
Again… Coach “K”:
Fundamentals
Fundamentals are the essential building blocks of a team. To help turn fundamentals into habits requires intensive, intelligent, and repetitive action. If you want to strive for excellence, you must embrace continual work on fundamentals. We can all do the basics, better.
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:58 pm
Why the down thumb???
barutanseijin
October 29, 2023 at 06:56 pm
You got one for being full of yourself. Everyone gets downvoted. Even you.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 08:59 pm
Who's coach K?
snowdog
October 30, 2023 at 06:46 pm
Pad level
tobinrote
October 29, 2023 at 04:19 pm
yet again the team comes out utterly unprepared. and please don't give me any of the bs about how the O gets better in the second half. the "improved" second half numbers are only and i mean only because the game is already over by halftime and the opponent goes into soft zone prevent D. so from my point of view it is the same crap for 60 minutes. It is hard to figure out where to start with this team. it is bad all the way through, but i would start with the coaches and no Love is not a starting NFL qb. that is quite clear.
coolhand
October 29, 2023 at 07:22 pm
Well, let's look at this game. 10-3 at halftime even though the Packers were terrible. And what happens? Vikes get the 2nd half kick off and go right down the field and score, 17-3. Now, we have no choice but to open things up. We could not get a stop on 3rd down when it mattered.
KKB
October 29, 2023 at 04:19 pm
This offense is sooooo bad, that Joe Barry is no longer the worst part of this team.
CanPackFan
October 29, 2023 at 06:28 pm
That's nothing to brag about!
Aldo
October 29, 2023 at 04:19 pm
Just an inept effort on the part of the entire offense and stupid schemes that give up way to much yardage at critical points on the part of the defense. Why in hell is Joe Barry still there, and is anyone in that entire coaching staff, including LeFleur being held accountable for the undisciplined, sloppy play we are witnessing/
SinceLombardi
October 29, 2023 at 04:49 pm
It doesn’t seem as anyone is accountable.
Hematite
October 29, 2023 at 05:40 pm
I was thinking the same thing as I was watching the game today.
jboss
October 29, 2023 at 04:23 pm
Yo, aaron, can you reprint your columns from Arod’s first year?
PackerBO
October 29, 2023 at 04:29 pm
How about Rodgers 4038 passing yards, 28 TDs, 13 INTs, his first year starting
BAMABADGER
October 29, 2023 at 04:58 pm
AR had a very good experienced OLine, great WRs, vet TEs, good RBs. Comparing Apples and Oranges.
Bitternotsour
October 29, 2023 at 06:45 pm
He also had a great head coach who crafted an offense around his strengths, and coached him thru his weaknesses.
barutanseijin
October 29, 2023 at 07:00 pm
MM excels at all the stuff you don’t see. Lafleur can’t handle any of behind the scenes work.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 05:09 pm
Rodgers could not win when behind … was being carried by his Offense. Just ask Stockholder, he wrote that crap daily for more than 2 years.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 07:28 pm
The only crap you see is a over paid QB.
A coach that didn't fire Barry.
And a Lt that looked better on paper.
And with all your illusions-
your still wrong.
Packerpasty
October 29, 2023 at 05:16 pm
who gives a shit about past players like AR...he isn't here anymore the Packer are stuck with LOVE...a fourth year guy who obviously learned very little in 3 years of NFL coaching..
barutanseijin
October 29, 2023 at 07:04 pm
Who cares? schlockhurler for one.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 07:30 pm
No- I want Clifford after this -
Love is a Loser.
PackerBO
October 29, 2023 at 04:23 pm
Gute is in his 5th year as GM and it seems like a lot of his picks are not living up to their draft status. Too much RAS score for my liking. I'm just an armchair Quarterback critic who has watched a lot of football in my 67 years. I do not see things getting better, but I guess there is always hope. Is there hope???
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 09:05 pm
The hope is primarily in the individual players. They have talent and some of them showed that at times today. That tells me Gutey is not a failure, and has even done a good job at times.
Turning individual players into a team is what coaches do. Mr. We Are Not Idiots has sole control over that.
Wilment
October 29, 2023 at 04:24 pm
I had to sit and digest what I just watched. I knew this year was going to be tough, 7 wins was going to be a stretch, even with. third place schedule. That being said, inexperience is one thing, what I witness today was sloppy football, period. three roughing penalties on defense? One that would have brought up 4th down and a punt, the other two were back to backers that helped the Vikings drive to a score. Love is not receiving the coaching he needs, and I hate to say it, but he is probably one loss from being benched, which is a shame, I think the kids got some skills. I think the good willl and support he had from the vets on the team has all but evaporated. We've got some things out there talent wise, I think we've got a good young recieiving core and tight end, but they just arent developing-that goes back to coaching. I love this team and I hope they start playing with some pride. GOpackgo!
Packers1985
October 29, 2023 at 05:47 pm
I feel it is possible as our next 2 opponent QB's seems to be hurt Stafford hurt his thumb and Steeler's Qb pickett seems to injure his Ribs and Minnesota Kirk seems to be out for the season. I feel if we can get wins next 2 weeks we might end up at 8-9 wins this yr
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 06:41 pm
If they can’t score more than 10, Barry just might win us a game. That won’t make him great or mean anything.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 09:13 pm
That means only 4 or 5 more losses this season.
I don't see it. Lots of changes would be necessary.
Aldo
October 29, 2023 at 07:53 pm
When a football team shows a lack of discipline by consistently executing poorly. that is COACHING or I should say the lack thereof.
jhtobias
October 29, 2023 at 04:26 pm
Lmao they will not fire anyone . Stop blaming love for drop passes .. i will keep selling are tickets to opposing teams fan until coaches are replaced
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KKB
October 29, 2023 at 04:29 pm
Offense played well for a few minutes. I figured that MLF must be in the bathroom, and someone else was calling plays. But then he came out, and the offense went back to normal.
lou
October 29, 2023 at 04:34 pm
13 First Quarter points and 15 First Quarter penalties, can you believe it ? We were told the offense had a Plan for the blitz happy Vikings all week but it appears it was the same offensive plan we have seen all season. Someone needs to tell Mark Murphy that only IDIOTS believe in doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. He is going to regret saying "We Are Not Idiots".
edp1959
October 29, 2023 at 04:40 pm
Hopefully we will have a chance at Drake Maye.
BAMABADGER
October 29, 2023 at 04:46 pm
This is a weak QB class.
Hematite
October 29, 2023 at 05:46 pm
I'd pee my pants if we got JJ McCarthy QB of the Michigan Wolverines.
Wilment
October 29, 2023 at 04:42 pm
if my vote as a shaareholder counts for anything? "Calling Ron Wolf.....paging Mr Ron Wolf.......
Bitternotsour
October 29, 2023 at 06:48 pm
Ron Wolf is sitting in front of a TV gnawing on a cold hotdog. Ron Wolf's NFL is long since past.
BAMABADGER
October 29, 2023 at 04:43 pm
Minn. radio says Cousins may have Achilles tear.
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 05:03 pm
Looked like it might be. Is it a tear or a rupture though. It makes a big difference
Wilment
October 29, 2023 at 06:46 pm
Hes done for the year......misery. loooooves company....
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 09:30 pm
Does have torn achilles.
Packak
October 29, 2023 at 04:46 pm
Two things are true at this point
- Love’s play (especially his accuracy) has been concerning so far this season
- the drops and bad routes from the receivers and the pressures and penalties from the O line are what’s making it virtually impossible to move the ball
Love will probably never be a guy they win BECAUSE of (think of all those games in the 10s they had no business winning where Rodgers dragged them across the finish line). But imo, he can still be a guy they win WITH. Plenty of NFL franchises win with a QB who is average to “pretty good”, including a few at a high level like the 49ers.
Can our front office put the pieces in place to win consistently with a QB who isn’t all world? Given how the rest of the roster looks this year, I am pretty skeptical
Coldworld
October 29, 2023 at 05:05 pm
I think they did, but when it mattered the incompetence of LaFleur and his hires held them back. That is what we are seeing so vividly exposed.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 09:32 pm
Exactly why I think replacing Gutey isn't warranted.
Coldworld
October 30, 2023 at 12:22 am
I predicted when Murphy changed the structure to one where the GM had no direct control of coaching it hires that we would inevitably end up in this position at some point. I did t realize it would be this soon. But now we really can’t tell unless you treat Murphy as the real GM.
I don’t really know how good this roster should be. It’s the same as with Love. This team is such an uncoordinated mess and incapable of evolution week to week that it’s impossible to be sure what it could be. It’s obvious on so many levels that this team has multiple coaching issues that have nothing to do with who they are coaching.
Start there. Fire LaFleur, see what differences materializes. We can’t change the roster meaningfully. We can’t fire the coaches en masse now. We can remove LaFleur, change the culture and expectations and learn. Peel back the onion and get closer to the core. Bissacia did a good job in the Vegas mess. Use him.
Wilment
October 29, 2023 at 06:50 pm
same with Favre. We won or died by what Brett did. Look back to Bart Starr, my childhood hero. His numbers weren't the greatest, but he had great players around him AND he was the General on that field. Calm demeanor or not, guys that played with him respected the hell out of him
GVPacker
October 29, 2023 at 04:49 pm
Get rid of Matt The Flower! It's time for Rich Bisaccia to take over and try to develop some semblance of order and discipline!
The Packers are soft & disjointed. They can not execute on offense or defense. Let Rich Bisaccia use the remainder of the season to evaluate the talent and
prepare for the future. Matt Lefleur and Joe Barry are not the answer. Lefleur should have been shown the door at the end of last season!
TarynsEyes
October 29, 2023 at 04:50 pm
There is nothing that can be said as to the bad play, or any possible positive that could be construed from this game, that hasn't already been exhaustively stated.
pantz_bURp
October 29, 2023 at 04:52 pm
You did a grand job trying though T-eyes. 😁
Pantz
Norm
October 29, 2023 at 04:51 pm
I'm still sad.
pantz_bURp
October 29, 2023 at 04:51 pm
F it dude, let's go bowling...
Burp
*the sun will still rise in the E and set in the W. The Bears still suck, and so do we...FOR THE TIME BEING. We will not be sitting at the Island of Misfit Toys table forever!
We do need a leader and a teacher. We'll worry about the effort and heart in the next chapter. Obtain talent is Chapter 3. Overcoming injuries is Chapter 4.
Sleep well my bretheran,
Pantz
SinceLombardi
October 29, 2023 at 04:53 pm
I thought Aaron Rodgers showed more toughness standing on the sidelines in the rain in NY, than the entire Packer team did against the Vikings.
Guynorge
October 29, 2023 at 04:59 pm
Can we hire him as Murphy’s replacement? Early?
Guynorge
October 29, 2023 at 04:54 pm
Oh how I wish we had missed that field goal against the Saints. It’s obvious we have to start over from scratch. Murphy probably needs to retire early, find a new president, change management structure from silos to 1 GM in control, find a new GM and the coach he wants. Sell any players not performing. Begin with one of first few picks in draft.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 09:37 pm
Getting rid of Gutey isn't warranted. Not sure if the entire coaching staff can be replaced simultaneously without doing more harm than good. Butkus should be the first to go. If Steno could be demoted back to O line coach and MLF to OC, this might be a team if it had a HC.
bjkdad44
October 29, 2023 at 04:55 pm
Playoffs????
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 09:37 pm
Can we just win one game first?
CheesePuff
October 29, 2023 at 05:08 pm
Not to be too repetitive, but the Packers, from Murphy on down, are incapable of fielding a competitive team unless they have a HOF QB. On the bright side (after all Packers fans are eternally optimistic), Green Bay is definitely in the running for the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. So, tank Pack tank! I know you can do it!
navydisposaleer
October 29, 2023 at 05:22 pm
Interesting how us Wisconsinites have to put up with terrible ball. Badger receivers dropping balls, then Green Bay follows suit. I you recall, when Holmgren took over he and Wolf kept changing players until the got what they needed. Seems like the current admin for the Pack is following Einstein's quote; "Keep doing the same wrong thing over and over expecting to get different results. That's idiotic.
DocHoliday
October 29, 2023 at 09:36 pm
Embarrassing to watch both teams drop easy passes.
College kids I can give a break to.
When 6 different Packers drop passes, let defenders steal the ball away after WR has 2 hands on ball vs 0 for the defender, drop easy TD pass despite 2 hands on the ball, let ball through hands and hit them in the head (robbing easy first down).
Every other NFL team would make these catches and have scored at least 14 more points with basic football catching skills.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 09:39 pm
But they aren't idiots?
Oppy
October 29, 2023 at 05:23 pm
The biggest concern I have about Love at this point is that it looks like he no longer trusts the OL in front of him. Nothing good will come from that.
I know he doesn't have much reason to trust the OL at this point, but where the first 4 games Love was hitting the top of his drop, quickly going through his reads, and getting the ball out- the last three weeks he seems to be taking extra steps back for deeper drops (first seen last week, especially apparent today), holding the ball far too long on some drop backs, and on others, he looks like he's giving up on the play and bailing out of the pocket with the ball tucked too early.
The drops are generally on catchable, well placed balls- can't control that, however, his behavior pre-snap needs to be reeled in quickly. I know it isn't easy when the OL isn't playing well, but the last thing I want to see is a QB getting "David Carr'd"- not that Love is getting hit anywhere near that rate, but his confidence in the OL's ability to protect him adequately is clearly starting to affect his performance.
RobinsonDavis
October 29, 2023 at 09:30 pm
I like your comments, Oppy. IMO, we have to be careful not to be like the Bear & Viking fans and media. Both are horribly hard on their quarterbacks and the result is that neither has been able to develop their own for decades. Vikings paid up for QBs several times prior to finding Cousins, and the Bears are well documented with their carousel of QBs.
We have been blessed for 3 decades of HOF QB play. We need to be more patient, but MLF can help Love more than he has....keep teaching. Notice that we came out this game in 4-wide and Jordan was nearly in shotgun all game (to a fault). Jordan tended to play this in college, and perhaps he is more comfortable in it. I still don't like playing this in the red zone and feel play action would help us more. Yet, our red-zone blocking was so bad at times that I am not sure many QBs could have made plays. Just my thoughts
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 09:45 pm
Oppy:
"Love at this point is that it looks like he no longer trusts the OL in front of him."
Exactly! And thank you. You can't evaluate him like that. And he's correct not to trust this O line. He's under pressure way too much, and even when he's not under pressure he'd be a fool to take that for granted.
Sensible strategy would have been establish a dominant 0 line first, lean on the run game, and use TEs and RBs for high probability plays. Then take deep shots after all that's established and you have somebody actually OPEN.
Those ideas were violated, but none of this has been possible for weeks. So our O regresses.
Doesn't explain JB's D, but it's doing well enough to win.
Coldworld
October 30, 2023 at 12:39 am
It was very very clear today that Nijman is streets ahead of Walker. I have absolutely no faith left in the handling of personnel by the OL coaches/OC. Myers best football remains in a par with Hansons.
No head coach can claim they don’t see what we do. No one who can lead and us sane would have allowed that farce to last half a season. All it is doing is losing us games, destroying Walker, who might just need more time, and driving Nijman to another team without s replacement.
It’s incredible in the original sense: utterly unbelievable. No one would believe that was possible in a competently run pro dports team. It’s that far into the realm of the absurd
WinUSA
October 29, 2023 at 05:33 pm
One word describes the coaching of this team:
INEPT!!!!!
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 09:49 pm
I can think of a few other choice words for it ...
haevs6
October 29, 2023 at 05:41 pm
This is a total organization disaster...Gutey and drafts since 2018 have been a terrible...He wanted AR out, now he has to live with trading up for Love instead of trading up for a wr to get us over the top in those years....TT (RIP) didn't help from drafts in 2016/2017....we wont change up our OL, even tho' Stevie Wonder can see the job is not getting it done upfront... (74 yds rushing, 34 came from Love)....Philly, everyone does the tush push with 1 yard to go, we go shotgun 4 plays in a row from the 1 ?? Our best O weapon is A Jones, he doesn't get 15 touches in the game??? We have not had a touchdown in the 1st half in 5 games? Most penalties in how many years? There is pattern, not a good one....poor drafting, poor management, and the coaching staff is way over it's head...we have heard the same things over and over thru out this season, we need to look at the tape?...we need to clean these things up?......and nothing changes....As LaFluer said in his conversation w McCarren today, we are a mess right now.....and nothing will change until after Murphy retires in 2024
PackBacker
October 29, 2023 at 06:38 pm
You're right that nothing gets fixed until Murphy goes. He and Gute are far too invested in Love and the rest of this mess to actually man up and make major changes. And Murphy doesn't retire until AFTER the 2024 draft. Which means we will need to wait until 2025 before we can hope for real changes.
WinUSA
October 29, 2023 at 05:45 pm
…..and… the reffing in this game was just a showcase for the zebras to get their faces shown to the folks back home…. Christ, an incomplete pass called a reception AND a ridiculous call on the tackle. This is FOOTBALL not ping pong!
Oh… and the challenge by Minnesota and the refs THEN calling a penalty for too many men on the field…
As Lombardi said: “What the hell is going on out there!!!!!”
Poor teams get poor refs… the NFL better clean up their ref pool or go to AI!!!!!
Hitnhope23
October 30, 2023 at 11:13 am
That's a typical response from a jaded Packer fan, "yeah, let's blame it on poor performance from the refs". They could have had all those call go the packers way and still got an ass kicking. Jesus
Curt
October 31, 2023 at 11:19 pm
And poor announcers - Vilma is as big as a yes man for the NFL that I’ve ever seen.
WinUSA
October 29, 2023 at 06:03 pm
Muskgrave the worst draft pick in this years draf class: Stumbling, dropping passes, no YAC… embarrassing!!!!
Johnblood27
October 29, 2023 at 06:37 pm
but... his RAS score is off the charts!!!
ImaPayne
October 29, 2023 at 07:36 pm
Gutt passed on the top three TE' s in round one. However Mushrave had a decent career at Iowa. Must be the scheme has his brain scrambled
jannesbjornson
October 29, 2023 at 08:31 pm
He played at Oregon State. Very limited his last season.A long strider and worked the seams and the outside. Has to be hit in stride. Not an Inline guy, or a guy to get twisted in space because the QB places the ball on the wrong shoulder. There is no point exposing him to hits on 2 yard play designs.
Dragon5
October 29, 2023 at 07:37 pm
Tape don't lie...college games showed similar...couldn't stay upright. Difficult for young guys at pro level. Pressure makes or breaks.
NitschkeFromTheGrave
October 29, 2023 at 06:17 pm
MLF can regurgitate his love and confidence in Love and spoon feed it to the press and blogs all he wants. Anyone can see Mr. LeFlure is scared to death to call a play in that allows Love to pass beyond 8 yards. all at a time when opposing D's are stuffing our running game.
24 of 41 and a passer rating of just over 72 ???? He has not been over 80 since week 3 against New Orleans, wit the low of 32 against the loss to the Raiders.
Sorry Love supporters, time to abandon the wagon.
stockholder
October 29, 2023 at 07:41 pm
Good for you.
Gman1976
October 29, 2023 at 06:18 pm
When you have a plumbing problem, who do you call? When have an electrical issue, who do you call? When you have a fire, who do you you call? When your favorite football team loses in all phases of the game, who do you call? Cheeseheadtv?!!
CanPackFan
October 29, 2023 at 06:38 pm
From a business perspective, this is just a very bad football product. It's not entertaining at all. It's ruining the Packer brand. Most importantly, it's going to ruin the idea of free agents coming here re: the inept coaching.
Everyone from the President (as if he cares) down to its assistant coaches should be thoroughly embarrassed- Rich B aside! And Mr Murphy, yes, we do think you're idiots. Your inaction speak more than your silence!
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 09:58 pm
The investment in Titletown will be a waste with no interest in a losing team.
Coldworld
October 30, 2023 at 12:44 am
Actually, it could be much worse; a huge liability if demand falls as it ages. The real estate isn’t in a metropolis, where the underlying value offsets the depreciation and increasing overheads.
BruceC1960
October 30, 2023 at 04:26 pm
Why does Coach Rich B keep getting a pass? Our special teams are still a circus. Some of his core special teamers take a roster spot but don’t contribute.
THESZOTMAN1
October 29, 2023 at 06:48 pm
There's all this gloom and doom about Back to the Future of the 1980s, so I checked.
We won 8 games 4 times in the 80s, and 10 games once.
Our WORST season was 4 and 12.
Anyone think we can win 4 this year?
Wouldn't put any money on it on Fan Duel.
The Szotman
coolhand
October 29, 2023 at 07:29 pm
The flower is making Infante look like a HOF coach
SicSemperTyrannis
October 29, 2023 at 10:01 pm
Will 2 wins get us the #1 pick? Because if the team hasn't been penalized for throwing the season yet, they never will be.
BruceC1960
October 30, 2023 at 04:23 pm
Are you saying what I think you’re saying?
Packers0808
October 29, 2023 at 07:27 pm
Was wondering how LaFleur is always saying he has great Faith in Love, has Love ever expressed great faith in LaFleur or in fact any player said that about him?
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