Patriots-Packers reaction and review
Join Aaron for a post-game chat following the preseason contest featuring the New England Patriots and the Green Bay Packers
By PackerAaron
Join Aaron for a post-game chat following the preseason contest featuring the New England Patriots and the Green Bay Packers
By PackerAaron
Comments (80)
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 07:24 pm
Valentine is no longer the fair haired favorite, that was a BIG mistake! Could've been 0 points or held to 0, instead 1st down from the 1.
As much as people are concerned with K Carlson, our starting C creating a turnover is even more troublesome IMHO. JL10 might've gained possession at two opportunities, both by not missing and after he did. Hiking the ball is not supposed to be a risky endeavor.
DragonSilk
August 20, 2023 at 09:13 am
The "bad" snap was just what we needed. Myers thought the DE jumped and snapped it just like he is supposed to. The timing on that needs to be split second between C and QB. Glad it happened in preseason so they can get it worked out.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 20, 2023 at 01:11 pm
Will be interesting to see if anybody reviewing film can justify Myers seeing that as a free play. So far everybody I've heard says it was nowhere near a neutral zone infraction, but certainly ironing this out before it counts is better.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 07:28 pm
3rd down with 7:00 remaining in the first, did anybody see if Reed was JL10's best read? It seemed like a well thrown ball to me, PBU but still contested that would have made for an amazing catch but it fell incomplete.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 07:31 pm
Just about every play we called worked , and we have 0 after two possessions.
CheesedDeadHead
August 19, 2023 at 07:41 pm
The OL needs to give JL more protection. With the Patriots coverage the receivers need more time to get open.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 07:45 pm
BEAUTIFUL first TD! By everybody. Against their ones.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 07:40 pm
A punt return of 16 yards, a penalty. We’re inside our own 10.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 07:41 pm
IMHO that's a good aggressive challenge by MLF. I didn't see a foot out of bounds, neither did I see him lose possession. 3:00 left in the first, Doubs for 42 :)
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 07:44 pm
A little chippy already, O line taking up for JL but no offsetting penalty against us.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 07:45 pm
A missile strike to Reed in the corner. Good luck stopping that. Reed with a great job of snatching it out of the air. The line is getting it done, and Love is getting done, and guys are making plays.. Clifford time.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 07:58 pm
I want to see our ones stay out there. Our defense is rotating a lot of second stringers against their ones.
I do believe the turnovers are now even
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 07:53 pm
Did anybody see what Zach Tom did to get a 15 yard penalty on our TD?
CheesedDeadHead
August 19, 2023 at 08:12 pm
I'm watching on WTMJ and I think they only paid for 1 camera and 1 repeat per play so no they didn't show that action.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 07:59 pm
We are pushing these guys out of the way on the offensive line.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 08:00 pm
Gaping hole for Wilson. 14 the easy way.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 08:07 pm
And up by 7 :)
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 08:00 pm
#31 Wilson the bell cow. Good luck keeping him on the PS.
CheesedDeadHead
August 19, 2023 at 08:07 pm
He's definitely making it tough on the Packers. We still have a half+ of a game and he has 28 yards so far, another game with 50+ yards and it may be impossible getting him onto the PS.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 20, 2023 at 01:16 pm
He ended the game with 68 yards rushing I think it was, over 4 yards per carry. 2 completions for 14 yards I think.
Yes, undeniable production :)
Will be interesting to see final targets vs completions; Heath 5 for 5 for 75!
Not surprising Belichek was able to keep #9 from being targeted, but Christian still spread their defense out making them cover him. A VERY significant contribution.
greengold
August 20, 2023 at 02:14 pm
Packers putting as little on tape as possible, especially #9 tape!!!
That’s my guess. I don’t think it had anything to do with Belichick.
greengold
August 20, 2023 at 02:17 pm
They won’t put him there. Not when he ran 22 mph in CIN.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 08:04 pm
#27 Patrick Taylor beating the edge and making his case. #44 Pearson in on the play.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 08:04 pm
Two TDs in 20 minutes. A longish drive following the fumble/sack by Enagbare, who is our # 4 pass rusher?
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 08:11 pm
Hollins or LVN? #90's been in on some plays, not making the stat line but making a difference.
Coldworld
August 20, 2023 at 05:48 pm
PFF had both rated well.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 08:11 pm
Defense gets a 3 and out. Toure returns the punt 2 yards.
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 08:12 pm
Nitro switch about to be pushed ON!
Seconds later the long pass to DuBose. The dude is legit.
CheesedDeadHead
August 19, 2023 at 08:14 pm
Newman is in now so those holes on the OL are gone...
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 08:16 pm
DuBose with a GREAT catch! That would've been very easy to drop.
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 08:24 pm
He’ll make this 53.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 08:49 pm
He's making his case! So is Heath. And Wicks. I'm not calling this yet ...
splitpea1
August 19, 2023 at 08:25 pm
Amazing he was able to hang on after getting whacked like that.
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 08:23 pm
With Hanson, no less.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 08:31 pm
Very questionable call against #43 Thomas, their WR steamrolled over him and it's called defensive pass interference? The play was nowhere near him.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 08:35 pm
A punt return. A penalty.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 08:37 pm
Did we punt in the first half? Once?
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 08:43 pm
At least once, yes. First two possessions, 0 points. One of those ended with an interception.
greengold
August 20, 2023 at 02:07 pm
Twice.
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 08:41 pm
Carlson enters the chat.
52 yd FG would have been good from 62. Packers 17-14.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 08:46 pm
I would like to see him make more than his first three attempts. This week.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 08:41 pm
Anders with a 52 yarder to end the half. And two extra points.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 08:42 pm
Carlson's first 3 are good. That FG wouldn't have gone 150 yards, but it would've gone more than 70.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 08:44 pm
So to recap, for the people are paying attention, how did it work out for us on returning those punts? Remember that when we break a nice return.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 09:03 pm
Mostly erased by penalties. No big returns yet.
Valentine got his second penalty for PI.
splitpea1
August 19, 2023 at 08:49 pm
Halftime edition of the Good, Bad, and Ugly:
Good: Love, Doubs, Enagbare, DuBose, Carlson, and more Love.
Bad: Myers. Can't be doing stuff like that.
Ugly: Barry pass defense soft on a couple of occasions, here we go again.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 09:06 pm
Have you seen Myers get beat?
The turnover could've been prevented by JL, but that was a bad snap. Idk if Myers is snapping it early or what their issue is?
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 09:07 pm
The entire line has blocked well for both Love and Clifford. We had a bad exchange between Myers and Love.
Coldworld
August 19, 2023 at 10:36 pm
Best blocking was on the ends. Tom and Walker and then Walker and Nijman.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 20, 2023 at 01:19 pm
Walker, a 7th round pick last year :)
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 09:10 pm
OK, I'm officially on the Clifford bandwagon. He's just thrown too many strikes for me to ignore.
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 09:15 pm
Yet another great Day 3 pick, as far as we’ve seen this early on, by Gutekunst.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 09:29 pm
After not wanting to draft a QB I was an early adopter of #8. I'm feeling very vindicated.
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 10:52 pm
I didn’t want a QB drafted so badly, I didn’t even do notes on Clifford… lol.
I laugh now at my folly, and what a great pick Clifford is turning out to be.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 20, 2023 at 01:23 pm
It's funny seeing people compare him to Favre. Great vision, unafraid to target difficult throws? Ok, that similarity exists. That will also get you in trouble and without the CANNON #4 had it's not a comparison I'm ready to make.
Still, a great-to-perfect backup to JL10, in the making. If the room is set and Gutey can concentrate elsewhere that makes everything so much better ...
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 09:11 pm
TGR, good call on Malik Heath. The guy’s played lights out!
Seeing Bisaccia NOT screaming on the sidelines is fucking cool.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 20, 2023 at 01:25 pm
5 for 5 for 75! For a #6?!? We've got a deep WR room 😎
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 09:16 pm
And now Toure is injured. Yes, lets return punts.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 09:31 pm
Any idea what Toure's injury is?
ETA: Toure returned another one after this, I think he must not be injured.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 20, 2023 at 01:31 pm
#13 Tay is injured. 4 down on game 2, 5 on the first. Dropping like flies, at an unsustainable rate.
I think Simore Toure is injury free.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 09:26 pm
AJJ and Sapp in at S.
Wooden Ford and Slayton up front. Towards the end of the third.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 09:28 pm
Several Packer defensive players with their hands on their hips. It's been a long drive.
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 09:32 pm
Moore got rolled up on from behind by another Packers player, and it didn’t look good. On sidelines w ice on L knee.
AJJ made some nice plays. Had a miss or two. I like Sapp III.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 10:14 pm
Ouch.
Ice immediately might get this under control and it's no biggie. Which still might keep him out for weeks.
Leatherhead
August 19, 2023 at 09:30 pm
Great pressure, no containment. TD.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 09:35 pm
Exactly.
Last year was worse, no containment not as much pressure. Last year our DBs stopped a lot of passes abruptly after being caught, but allowed lots of completions. I've seen lots of PBUs and also NE attempts flat missed due to both pressure and coverage, but they are currently winning.
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 09:35 pm
Hate Barry’s alignment where he’s leaving the middle wide open. WTAF???
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 09:39 pm
HEATH AGAIN!!! Triple coverage for about 30.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 10:15 pm
They took his helmet off. BIG catch!
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 09:45 pm
Malik Heath is freaking awesome. TOUGH. GAMER. BRINGS 100% always.
Patriots 2023 R2 pick Isaiah Bolden going off on stretcher after collision w his own player.
LaFleur & Belichick agree to call the game over. Sad ending seeing any player carted off, not moving. Hoping for Bolden’s return to good health.
jurp
August 19, 2023 at 10:13 pm
Does not look good for Bolden right now. Normally, the player on the stretcher gives a thumb's up when they crowd is applauding. He never moved. Damn.
greengold
August 19, 2023 at 10:28 pm
I worked with many cervical fracture patients back in the day, and you’re right, jurp. Very sad, and hoping for the best possible outcome for him.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 19, 2023 at 10:29 pm
Looks like he was knocked out immediately. Apparently he could feel his extremities before leaving the venue. That bodes well for not being paralyzed but doesn't tell us anything concrete.
Oppy
August 20, 2023 at 09:23 am
This might sound crazy or rude, but maybe he didn't give a "thumbs up" signal because he's not feeling "Thumbs up".
Maybe he's all like, "Fuck, dude. Not only may I have played the last snap of football I will ever play in my entire life, I'm now on my way to the hospital to find out if the entire course of my life has been changed forever in the blink of an eye. Where's my mom? God, I want my mom right now. My wife is pregnant. Will I be able to teach my unborn daughter how to ride a bicycle someday?"
Maybe trying to console the fans in the crowd was not his top priority. Maybe it's ridiculous that we've been conditioned to expect that interaction.
This is not a rant directed at YOU, this is a rant directed at US.
ImaPayne
August 19, 2023 at 10:09 pm
Thanks for the updates. Game comes on here at 3 pm tomorrow.
Not surprised the pass d isnt stellar, we did nothing to shore it up and my take is most of our pass defenders lack speed, size and tackling ability. Different year same outcome
Oppy
August 20, 2023 at 09:29 am
Same outcome = hittin tha' griddy all over the purple dump
Coach Cleve Steamer
August 20, 2023 at 12:34 pm
Brooks played well.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 20, 2023 at 01:34 pm
Indeed! We had many young players who did, including Walker at LT, a 7th round pick last year.
KKB
August 20, 2023 at 07:04 pm
IF Rasheed Walker is good enough to backup Bak, THEN Tom can play center, and Yosh can focus on RT.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 20, 2023 at 11:20 pm
I think Mt Caleb and Telfort are the intended backups to Nijman backing up Bakh. Somehow I doubt this is about having Walker backup Bakh; instead they're giving him a look as a depth piece.
If I had to guess, that's what I'd guess. I won't pretend to know what MLF is up to though. I'd like to see Tom at C and Nijman at RT. When Bakh doesn't play Nijman can switch to LT, he's been working hard on that. Switching RT is less significant, but Tom could still move to RT and have Myers back at C when Bakh is out.
I'd like to see our best 5 out there ...