I agree with the premiss. Just not sure Tuitt or Hageman are the real deals.

If they are... by all means, do it.

I just have a feeling that Hageman is one of those guys (like D. Jones) who just isn't as good a player as his physique would indicate.

Same with Tuitt.

There you go writing off guys w/o giving them a chance to develop. 34 OLB and most NFL DL take a couple years. Can't judge till yr 3 if they were good picks or not.

I get that.
But the fact of the matter is that by the end of the year Boyd (another rookie) was taking his snaps.

Jones's snaps consistently decreased as the season went along... while a 5th rounder saw his workload increase over the same time period.

Not.
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Good.
Sign.

Just face it - Jones will end up being a nice rotational guy on the DL. The Packers need better.

While rookies do, in fact, take time to develop... studs at least show early flashes here and there. Jones was pretty much invisible.

I'm not upset with the pick, though. The thinking was right. Sometimes guys' games just don't translate to the next level (ie. Perry, Hawk, Raji, Franklin, etc.).

I doubt he could put on enough to play DE for the Packers. Sure he could and would to play 43 DE. I think he's very well suited to play 34 OLB right now. I wouldn't mind getting him at #53 tho. CBS has him as 44th prospect, so maybe its possible, but probably unlikely. And if he does the Cards would take him right before we pick. They need a true 34 OLB in a big way.

I don't think he's got enough quick-twitch. Sort of a big. lumbering, powerful, hard working type. No "pop" or explosion.

Classic college stud who's just not athletic enough to be a difference maker at the pro level. He'll be on a roster for 10 years but never do anything of consequence.

U talkin about Hawk?

4thand1, Not sure if I got padded on the back, or hit in the head with a hammer?? I'm 66, I could probably use a little of both.

LMAO, no Tom , I was referring to cow.

A lot of the really good athletes at that size and speed play wr, that's were the big $$$ is. Unless you're a Revis or Sherman type. D backs end d backs usually because they can't catch.

Well, I disagree with your assessment of James Jones. I think he is better than what you are stating. I don't know what the market would be for him, but I think he's easily worth the 1.5 mill, you would give to Kuhn, maybe
2. I would find a FB at vets min.
You know, IMO, at some point, some GB Packers deserve another year or 2. DD was 1. I think we could have made room for him. He was still as good as anyone going over the middle, & he wanted to play. Gilbert Brown, may have been another. He turned down 2 better contracts to stay in GB. We could have found room for him for 1 more year. James Jones is another one of those Packers. He's too Valuable to let go yet. IMO. I could come up with at least a couple of others, I would trade or let go before James Jones. I've seen enough football in my day. I think I can judge when a player is pretty well washed up. JJ is a long way from that. I think it will be a Mistake to let him go. JMO

Driver shouldn't and IMO wouldn't have been a Packer in his last year. I think he was only given another year becuz he won dancing and the Packers didn't want another PR disaster similar to Favre. So they gave him a honored the last year of contract instead of getting the PR nightmare. The Packers promptly sat his ass on the bench were he did nothing for the 2.5M he as paid.

Jones is only marginally better than Boykin and he would be much more expensive. Save the money and let Jones walk. If he's even close to being as good as you seem to think he is he'll get an offer or more in FA and the Packers won't bother matching. Boykin has really large terrific hands, and tests the same as Jones athletically and just needs to gain a little more experience. Very little to distinguish them other than Jones being more experienced. At his age 3?, he'll soon lose the marginal speed he does have.

Like I said, IMO he's redundant.

LVT - you lost all credibility regarding your assessment of receiver talent as soon as you made your comment about Driver.

That dude was WAAAAAAYYYYYYYY past done.

Kuhn should stay, the block against Peppers won the NFCN. He know's the offense inside and out. JJ's 2 drops in the SF game were disturbing. Just like the SB run. Basically he has one really good year, last year.

I'm not disagreeing with your take on Boykin. I know he is a Good player. I like John Kuhn, but you can't possibly think that he is more valuable to GB than Jones. Like I said, there are other players on GB that are less Valuable than JJ. You know who they are?? In the draft, there is the thinking by most teams, of taking the Best player available. Why don't we use that approach when letting players go?? I could easily find a way to keep JJ. IMO he is still in the upper 25% of our
players. I'd be looking at the bottom 75%. JMO

You see cow, your last post is out of line. Why do you go out of your way to piss people off. It would be more appropriate to say , I disagree, DD should have rode off into the sunset.

Sorry.
I was sort of joking.

4thand1, I don't disagree with anything you've said. My only question would be with the TE position. When does anyone find out what Finleys condition is?? Will we know before the draft if he's 100%??, or have we already cut him loose??

Finley has already stated that's he's 99.9% ready to play. He still hasn't been evaluated by GB drs. though. How effective will he be? I'm thinking footsteps and dropped passes. Hell, he could have died on the field.

4thand 1, Thanks for the help the other day. I respect everyone's opinions on this post, yes cLowNEY, yours too. I would hope everyone would respect mine, but if not, that's ok with me. I'm a Big Boy, I can handle it. Ok, here goes. Everyone knows my feelings on Hawk & Findley. I wanted to trade both last year, to try to keep GJ for 1 year. In hindsight, you can make a case for or against that. It wouldn't have made a difference as things turned out. IMO, at 30 GJ was our Best receiver. I'm sure I'll get flack on that. Findley hasn't proved to me yet, that he can catch a ball in traffic, but I've now changed my mind on him. If possible, I'd like to keep him, if he's 100% & given a clean bill of health. I think he's 26 or 27, & I'm willing to give him another year or 2, but not at $8 mill. Here's what I want to do. Someone tell me if this is possible? I would cut loose Raji, Kuhn, & Trade Hawk, if someone will take him. Tell me if that's enough $$$ to keep JJ, Starks, & Findley if healthy.
As far as the draft goes, I don't know any where's near what the rest of you know about players. What I think I know is this. I don't think we can draft an immediate Safety or Corner. The last one we got was Mckensie, & he was our 3rd corner pick that year. We lucked out on him. I would not trade up in the draft to get one. IMO, the only way to know what we're getting is to buy a Safety & Corner. According to what Stroh & others said about our cap money, there is enough there to get a safety & corner if any are available. The only way I would move up in the draft is for a DE, if one was there. He'd have to be better than Jamal Renoylds.
As far as Cobb & Nelson are concerned, some of you have called them elite. Not sure I would use that word, but I think they are both Great Receivers, & I would like to retain both if possible. If they both want $10 Mill a year, they can both leave. Don't get me wrong, I think Cobb & Jordy are 2 of our Best Players, but I also think WR'S are fairly easy to replace. Every team in the league has Great Receivers. Chicago has 2, Detroit has 2, one elite for sure, & Minn has at least 1. Up & down the league there are Great Receivers. You need an Arm to get them the ball. I think you would all agree that AR, Cobb, & Jordy compliment one another. That's usually how it works with Good Receivers. I would draft as many LB's, Big Bodies, DE's, & Safety's & Corners in that order. I think our corners are too small, & our safety's are no good. We will have to buy those positions. IMO, our Biggest search in the draft should be for LB's, especially one for the middle. I'd like another DE too. If I'm losing my mind, tell me. It's always best if you can catch something early.

The best way to lose your mind is to keep posting here. You made a lot of valid points. The one thing everyone agrees on is ILB and safety. Last year it was the running game and look how that turned out.