its very simple Lefluer and Barry are soft so is the team.

“We’re gonna have to do something different. It’s insane to do the same things over and over again and expect a different result,” head coach Matt LaFleur said after the game.”

Words, just words. Show us something different.

“And now for something completely different.” - Monty Python

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cOTQb1A5D2M

The next DC should be Matt’s last DC he ever hires due to letting the prior one go. Then it will be time for him to go. And I think he felt that last night.

Face the facts fellow Pack fans, MLF isnt going anywhere and his seat is not even warm.

Murphy and Gutey are committed to MLF. He will be given a fairly long pass with the rebuilding going on and the capitl he built up by putting up with AR as part of the deal when he was hired. Management appreciated that and it is payback time. Also, Murphy does not want any drastic upheavals as he fades away into mandatory retirement.

Barry not so much. His seat will continue to gain warmth as this team struggles to stop NFL level offenses. He was a bad hire and he has underperformed from that platform to the low spot he now is firmly entrenched in.

There is simply too much investment and talent in this defense for it to be as bad as it is.

Im not sure that there will be an in-season change, but make no mistake about it, Change Gonna Come.

The LaFleur bubble was punctured, individually and as a head coach and coaching staff. The foreseeable all came home to roost. We saw what we saw in the playoffs and other big games against tough opponents with Rodgers but Rodgers was not here.

Thus is something we had to go through as much as the end of the last dances and Rodgers time here. That it didn’t take long isn’t really surprising if LaFleur really was the problem as HC. It’s now pretty clear that he always was. A rider of Rodgers cost tails who held him and us back when it mattered.

Until LaFleur is gone, players may improve but we won’t beyond that. LaFleur and his coaches need to be replaced. Nothing is going to change that. It’s simply confirmation of what had been going on but with the reason clarified.

Murphy hired LaFleur and Murphy can either fire him or take the blame. Firing the coaches and keeping him would just miss the source if the problem and delay and hold us back longer. It’s certainly no reason to support the status quo. It won’t survive Murphy anyway. It’s a question of when now not if, and how much harm delay might incur.

MLF, you went into the season with Bakh's health a question mark, with a lousy starting center, a below average right guard, and your #1 back up guard is the incompetent Royce Newman. You went into the season with the same proven lousy defensive coordinator. What did you expect would happen?

Getting beat by the Lions is like, the wussy kid you picked on all through high school comes back as a UFC fighter looking for revenge.
This game was that + your defensive plan is to start punching yourself in the balls.

On a different note, Msrs Butkus and Stenovich should be wriggling around quite uncomfortably today.

The jobs that those two have done has been at least as poor as any coaching work done by Joe Barry.

The time for passes has come and gone for these guys. The OL and the offense overall need to have a workable scheme for the youngsters to grow into. There is a budding superstar at QB and a room full of talented and seemingly motivated WR and TE.

The OL is a complete disaster. Meyers, Newman, and to some extent Runyon just might be the worst interior OL the GBP have ever put on the field. There has always been a pretty good center on the roster, and guards were able to be built from college tackles and such. The OL coaching has been quite good. Not so much today. The slow decline has been precipitous over the past two seasons. I feel that there is some talent in the OL room, but really no technique teaching or motivation delivered by the current coaches.

Put up or leave town. There has been investments in the 'jars on the shelf' but there has not been the development that has been a hallmark of the GB franchise. I am calling that development poor coaching and not lack of talent.

Lafleur keeping Barry reminds me of the saying 'First rate people hire first rate people and second rate people hire third rate people".

on MLF and Barry being soft as well as the entire GBP team...

Football is a thinking man's game...

...said NOBODY EVER!!!

Any chance of picking a free agent from the scrape heap? A serviceable scratch 'n dents vet will do. Batk & Jenkins would have made not a bit of difference. Pack need more " killer instinct" too woke. Tackling, blocking and use of shoulder pads optional. Was sickening to watch & embarrassing on National TV.

This just isnt a talented football team, LeFleur and Barry have a lack of tools here. I was reading about the stomping Miami gave Denver and their secret: they went out and drafted four college track guys who also played football.
You dont have one very fast guy on offense to stop you got four of them and they ran all over Denver.
Lefleur has one or two speed guys. Watson goes missing in action often and Reed catches every third pass. Doubs is pretty good but he is often covered too those those are hard catches.
There is nothing on this team play maker wise to make them competitive no matter who the coaches are. End of story really. Poor drafting and poor free agent acquisitions have a hell of a lot to do with this. But the packers like cheap ball and that's what you end up with, second rate guys.
Gutt passes on real talent in the first for guys who can play two positions so we can get more money out of them.
This team will not draft a top defensive end because they costs to much, ditto on left tackles.
You get what you get and this team is average at best with average at best players.

That was unpleasant.

I'm not concerned about the trees, or the leaves on the trees, at this point. Given that Bakhtiari is on IR, Jenkins is inactive, the question I'd apply myself to is how do I do better job of protecting our QB. I think Love can move the ball and score points with guys like Jones and Watson and Doubs and Reed helping him, but we're not protecting him real well. And I'm not seeing any good, easy fixes unless we want to trade away something like our #1 for a real good lineman.

The Good News. Walker seems like a real find on OT. He actually reminds me of Mark Tauscher, who was a 7th round pick who got thrust into the action because of an injury, and he battled like hell and made himself into a real solid player. At the other tackle is Tom, who is hurt, but he's still in the lineup and holding his own or better. So that's two solid spots to begin with. And we still have Nijman, who could back up either of those spots, so I wouldn't call that as critical as some other spots.

The interior has more question marks. Myers has been the starter since the day he arrived, and to my eyes, gets the job done most of the time. Newman....I just don't see him as a solid NFL starter. Runyan has been a good player for us, starting on lines that won games with him.

I think for the Vegas game, which we have a little extra time to prepare for, you have to go with Walker-Newman-Myers-Runyan-Tom. I think you also tell Rhyan and Caleb Jones that nobody stays on scholarship forever, and that we need help and they're on the team to provide that specific type of help.

The only alternative, IMO, would be to play Nijman at RT and move Tom, which I don't think is a good idea to move an injured guy to a new position. I think that Tom and Walker are doing a solid job at tackle and we should hang on to what is working well and fix what isn't. I absolutely would be looking at a trade for a starting caliber offensive lineman, and I do realize it would probably cost us a premium pick.

But if we can't improve the line then our offense is going to sputter. I haven't looked it up, but I'd suspect that when you start the game with 3 straight three and outs, you probably lose most of those games. And when our offense is three and out, that puts our defense on the field and we don't want that, either.

So I think we might have to get creative on the offensive line. This Vegas/Denver road trip, and the looming trade deadline, is an opportunity for people to show they're solid NFL starters. IMO, again, if we get people blocked, Love & Co. will get points on the board and we'll win games. If we don't, we're either going to throw the towel in on the season.....in freakin' October.....or we'll have to make an aggressive move, or we'll have to get Jenkins back and have no more injuries. (Luck). At this point, as I said, trading for a legit Olineman.....that we're going to try to draft next year anyway.....makes some sense to me.

Who would you rathe have hutchinson or Gary? Best all around player or a one trick pony? After ATL….Ja’ may have a back injury for a long time. That was domination / humiliation, worthy of a free agent rookie not a mega dollar “superstar”. Mentally I think he’s done

MLF's revelation after the game:

“I think anytime that you go out there and you can’t effectively run the football,” said LaFleur, “and conversely can’t stop the run, that’s a recipe for losing football.

The OL is a mess on at C and G. His two weakest run blockers to start the season were Myers and JRJ. They are now the 2nd and 3rd worst run blockers on the line. Newman is the worst. And Newman makes Myers worse and this exposes JRJ. Complimentary football in reverse. But nothing will change.

When asked about the D giving up 200 yards in two of the 4 games, MLF looked down, paused and said quietly "we going to have to do something different there. It is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Well Matt, you have one game over the next 23 days...if you were going to "do something different there" this would be the time. But nothing will change.

This is what i've been saying from last year that Lafluer and his supporting staff is the main problem followed by the OL for our struggles but many were caught in blaming 12 than the real issue. Lafluer isn't that alpha HC he is too soft and gets lost when we play some physical teams. Coming to the OL they played poorly last yr which is somewhat expected as many starters were returning from injuries and rest all lacks experience but that continued or gotten worse this yr in reality it should've been the other way around given the experience from last yr but no.

Yesterday I saw the biggest mismatch between lines (O-line Packers and D-line Lions) ever. We couldn't shape the pocket, we couldn't even be a line what the name could probably suggest. Our O-linemen were flying around like bees. Jordan Love didn't help the team but it's hard to judge him in such conditions. It was a total mess, my eyes hurt till now. Today I try to find any bright spots in panic.

Our D is the separate story. I don't know where are the strong points - Walker for sure and maybe Savage who I thought will be the weakest point. D-line making noise but not too much effect. Secondary going hand to hand to let the guy take it all the way to the house.

And to think now that most of us were the most concerned about the kicker :)

To state the obvious - that was a disaster. To reiterate another obvious - Matt Lafleur is not the genius offensive guru that many have called him. It was very obvious last night. Was the Oline in a shambles last night - yes mostly. But when one has a mobile quarterback - why is he sitting in the pocket and going through a whole bunch of progressions. I would bet that most of the time he had more than 4 seconds to get rid of the ball. The play calling and the game plan was horrendous. With all of the speed we have with Jones and the receivers - and once again last night NO MOTION - everyone standing there letting their D know where everyone was. When one has a poor Oline - move the QB around and get motion and get the ball out.
On the defensive side - the D was just horrible and there definitely needs to be a change there - I think that Walker is a player but not a middle linebacker - better off on the outside and his speed can help in those wide runs and quick screens - but he is too light to fill the gaps. And like many of our middle linebackers - a lot of tackles but after the other team has a first down - remember AJ Hawk - Martinez. And maybe a bit of creativity issues with our D is needed LOL - Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Good article; however I think there is one mistake.

“…momentum was short lived as Detroit played bully ball to the tune of a 14 play, 75 yard drive that took almost nine minutes off the game clock…”. I believe the author meant to say “Detroit was bullied.”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but 3 passes for 40 yards averages to over 13 yards a play. Detroit ran 11 times for a mere 35 yards, a pedestrian 3 yards a carry. 13>3, yet Detroit only passed three times. So I’d say the defense was clearly imposing their will on Detroit, forcing them to run over and over again. That’s the kind of domination I want to see from our defense! A bright spot in an otherwise dismal game.

Joe Barry ball? Or Joe Bully ball?

I guess it was time for the 'fire everybody' crowd to emerge.

Here's something to consider: In 1997 the Packers were coming off a Super Bowl victory the previous February . They ended 1997 at 13-3 during the regular season. One of the losses was to former Packers coach Lindy Infante. The Colts that year were 3-13 and clearly sucked. But for one day, Nov. 16, 1997, Infante's Colts defeated the Packers 41-38.

Infante wasn't around much after that.

If that loss had happened today, there would be cries to 'fire Bob Harlan', 'fire Ron Wolf', 'fire Mike Holmgren', 'fire the janitor'.

That team went on to lose to the Broncos in the Super Bowl. I suppose to the 'fire everybody' crowd there were ''first losers".

IMO Lefleur and Gutt think if you have a run game first you run time off the clock, keep your piss poor defense off the field and give you so so Qb a few plays to toss five to ten yard passes when needed.
This team was also created to play prevent d. Were hoping you screw up going down the field and dont end up in the endzone and forced to kick a field goal.
Thus, we dont need great d players. We dont need great receivers but we do need running backs and an oline that can run block.
None of that is working because the run game isnt there. Jones isnt the break out threat and dillon is a nothing burger, In reality its three and outs, defense playing way too much, other teams are scoring td's and the plan is unraveling while the game is being played. This scheme is a cluster f. A dumpster fire and the whole team is built around it.

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Eric Bieniemy

If MM wouldn't let MLF hire who he wanted as Special Teams Coach because of salary why would he hire who MLF wanted as Defensive Coach?????

MM IS IN CHARGE OF HIRING/FIRING THE COACHING STAFF AND HIS MAIN CONCERN IS HOW CHEAP THEY ARE!!!!

Every time MLF goes to the podium and subtly throws the defense under the bus he is not showing his ignorance....he is saying, for anybody that can read between the lines (like future prospective bosses), that he hates having Joe Barry and his shit scheme and shit play calling forced onto his staff.

Joe Barry is MM's fault, MM hired him because he is cheap. Prove me wrong and I will gladly change my mind.