You Don't Have To Hate Aaron Rodgers To Be Glad He's Leaving

Aaron Rodgers's impending exit has ignited a lot of emotion in the Packers fanbase. It can be a tough situation to wrap your mind around, but, even if you love the guy, it's ok to be glad he's leaving.

Aaron Rodgers rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

He gets called cocky, he gets called condescending, he gets called... a lot worse than that.

I see where these comments come from, but after watching him his whole career, I feel like I've come to understand him a little, and maybe ever relate to him after really diving into his situation over the years.

There's a segment of the fanbase that will base their views, at least in part, about what kind of person they think he is. That's ok, there's no wrong way to be a fan.

But, personality aside, there is no denying he's been a phenomenal player.

And now it looks like he's leaving.

This is where it gets weird. The Packers fanbase seems to attacking itself more than usual. Some people think we all have to be thrilled he's leaving, some people promise we'll miss him when he's gone and the franchise will descend into the dark ages.

Then there's some people who insist last year showed his skills fell off a cliff. Others scream with certainty that it was only because he broke his thumb or didn't have weapons or some other reason beyond his control.   

Here's the thing: it doesn't matter.

Aaron Rodgers had a pretty incredible career renaissance from 2019 through 2021.

Even if last year was a step down (regardless of the reasons), I think he's a phenomenal player and still capable of being a good starter. I think he might be the most skilled quarterback of all time. I even defend his performance in the championship games that he takes so much (too much) flak for (he actually performed quite well).

But, in the end, the team didn't achieve their ultimate goal.

I don't believe in putting that on one player, but the sum of parts with Rodgers at the helm just felt less and less confidence-inspiring each year, even if he wasn't the sole cause. There's no denying that he checked out for the offseason last year and he played like he was on his farewell tour for a good chunk of the season.

Still, look around the league. Even in his down year, he was better than most. He's still a good player.

And I don't really have a problem with his personality (that's a longer discussion, but I feel like he's pretty open and reasonable, even if some of his comments could be taken as minor slights - I can relate to a smartass). 

But even though I think he's a good player and a pretty swell guy, I'm happy to see him go. I'm ready to see the team move on.

We can't hold on to him forever (especially with his current contract).

At some point, it's time to move on, probably earlier or later than a lot of us would have liked.

But don't fall into the toxic cycle of just complaining about all his faults because he's leaving.

No one's perfect, but you can still like a flawed man.

And you can be ok with the team moving on, even if you still liked him. 

 

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Bruce Irons has played, coached, and studied football for decades. Best-selling author of books such as A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Draft, A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Salary Cap, and A Fan's Guide To NFL Free Agency Hits And Misses, Bruce contributes to CheeseHeadTV and PackersForTheWin.com.

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Savage57's picture

March 17, 2023 at 06:29 am

It's a more than fair assessment, and it reasonably talks to all of the vagaries that go into THE TEAM winning championships.

But the road diverges. In the quintessential team sport, especially during the winter of his career, it felt too often like it was Rodgers first, team second. That's the part of that 'complicated fella' personality that impacted the team. From eschewing the entire range of TEAM activities during the offseason to indulge certain personal pursuits, to the need to have 'his crew', Rodgers' team all-in-ness was fading. Twice awarded that 'highest paid in league history' contract required him being the leader through his actions that he held himself out to be in words and which may have had a better chance of leading to titles. Maybe not.

That said, it's been so enjoyable to watch him play as this preternaturally-skilled QB wizard for my team. Mahomes may replace him someday as the most "Did you see THAT!?!" player in NFL history, but he's got a ways to go. More titles? Sure, it would have been nice, but ya pays your money and takes your chances.

As Vince's son said when asked if someone came up to him and told him this is how it would all play out, would he do it again? "Where do I sign" was his answer. No where near the same stakes for us, but I get the sentiment.

QB1 is dead. Long live QB1.

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Turophile's picture

March 17, 2023 at 06:33 am

Bruce, you are exactly on point and have captured my feelings on the matter.

some posters here seem to hate Aaron because he is old and they want to move on. Welcome the new guy (Love) and trash the old (Rodgers). Others have ascribed all sorts of negative motives to things he he said, without any real knowledge of the man, they want to put their own bias on what he said to fit their personal narrative, ie they have little objectivity.

I think it is time to move on at QB (I thought so before the 2022 season and said so on this site back then). HOWEVER, for me this is a business decision, a cap decision, an age decision, not a decision that is affected by my feelings for Rodgers (I actually quite like the guy, albeit at a distance that makes it hard to really know him).

Just because you want to move on, doesn't mean you have to kick the guy on the way out even if (like me) you are looking forward to what Love can do under center. Compared to Favre at the end, there really isn't much to trash Rodgers with and being impatient for a decision by the teams involved, is no reason to get angry at him.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:07 am

Agreed!

The hate AR has endured the last three years is ridiculous!

All because he went against the "Empire," cutting down their bs covid narratives with his lightsaber... (And his 500 page report.)

I love our Covid MVP, but it is time, so bring on the Love and LFG...

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 17, 2023 at 06:51 am

You are so wrong Bruce!

In America today - You have to either hate those who don't think like you or Love those who don't agree with you!

I choose Love.

I am already exhausted typing what a great QB/Leader/Teammate Aaron %'in Rodgers has been for 18 years...

Can we please start imagining Gutey having two good drafts in a row?

Sim: I traded down from 13 to 21 with the Chargers and added pick 53 in the 2nd round. I traded down from 15 to 33 and gained picks 65 in the 3rd round and the Texans 1st rounder next year...

21: Anton Harrison OT Oklahoma - Gutey adds an OT to hedge his bets to protect "his" franchise QB Jordan Love.

33: Darnell Washington TE Georgia - I know I'm not the only one who really wants Big Dog 2.0 -

43: Jahmyr Gibbs RB Alabama - Everyone is all Bijan. I love Bijan, but Gibbs is a different breed of dawg...

45: Luke Musgrave - For those who are convinced we need that move TE.

53: Adetomiwa Adebawore - OLBer Northwestern (Mark Murphy Northwestern influence creeps in again.)

65: Andre Carter II - OLBer ARMY - Carter needs to get stronger, but there is no denying his size and potential to hunt QBs.

78: Matt Landers - WR Arkansas - MVS clone with speed and more coordination than MVS.

116: Roschon Johnson - RB TEXAS - The Thunder to Gibbs lightning. MaLF wants to run the ball. Wish granted.

150: Zack Kuntz - TE Old Dominion - Draft "all" the TEs. It's no secret the Packers TE positional group has been a wasteland.

170: Bryce Ford-Wheaton - MVS clone with speed, weight, height, and more coordination than MVS. (4th sub 4.4 WR on roster.)

233: Dee Winters - LB TCU - Speed LBer mainly STs but could develop into something special.

236: Brandon Hill - S - Pittsburgh - We needed a Safety, so Gutey drafts one.

243: DJ Dale - DL - Alabama - Just adding a DL to the mix hoping he can contribute someday.

255: Evan Hull - RB - Mostly a STs player. Smart. Fast. Might need him in the future and can catch passes out of the backfield.

258 Tavius Robinson - OLBer - Dude has potential to be a baller if he develops.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:28 am

Aren't the simulation sites fun? But really, it's mostly drafturbation. :-D
ESPECIALLY if you do trades. I never really "count" my drafts that involved trades, because they're mostly incredibly unbalanced. It's still fun to do them just for a kick! I've done several where I just keep trading down a little, for as much gain as possible, and the results are awesome pipe dreams.
:-D
Like this one:
49 TE Darnell Washington, 55 DL Keeanu Benton, 56 ED Derrick Hall, 57 TE Sam LaPorta, 61 OL Joe Tippmann, 86 S Jordan Battle, 117 WR Jonathan Mingo, 124 QB Tanner McKee, 130 RB Tank Bigsby, 132 WR Dontayvion Wicks, 151 S Jartavious Martin, 151 ED YaYa Diaby, 162 S Brandon Joseph, 163 S Daniel Scott, 169 ED Robert Beal, 172 CB Mekhi Gardner, 179 TE Josh Whyle, 196 TE Davis Allen, 199 CB Terrell Smith, 225 OT Warren McClendon, 234 K Jake Moody, 237 S DeMarco Hellams, 244 OL Sidy Sow, 246 S Kaevon Merriweather, 252 DL D.J. Dale, 258 DL P.J. Mustipher.
:-D!!

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stockholder's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:02 am

TE Early is the mistake.
Use the blue chip scale.
10.0. - Tes are to far down.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:29 am

Good TE class and now BAP will be BAP who plays TE, especially since Big Bob has gone to da bares.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 17, 2023 at 05:56 pm

I wrote a reply but I hit some random button on the keyboard and it disappeared. Just as well, because it might have gotten me banned.

Something about rostering 5 RBs being just dandy, and assuring Dillon that the Packers are perfectly capable of sitting a player drafted with the 43rd pick for 3 full seasons. Nothing wrong with making strengths strengthier. And if we do the hard work together, the work will get hard.

Something about waiting until the 7th round to address safety. Now that GB signed Tarvarious Moore, no sweat. Or rather, the hard work has been done, so all that's needed is for the coaches to work with us on this. Plus the Packers value diversity and interchangeability, so the team will just reclassify Rasul as a safety/DB. I am just not sure if Rasul really thinks he is a safety. The coaches will just have to work with Douglas to make this endeavor come to pass.

Something about the new 4 TE sets LaFleur is going to install to create the illusion of complexity. Again, not a problem rostering 5 TEs as we only have 3 WRs plus the rookie WR, whereas we usually roster 6, 7 and sometimes think about keeping 8.

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SoCalJim's picture

March 17, 2023 at 06:06 pm

Clearly, green beer doesn’t agree with you, TGR. :^)

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 17, 2023 at 06:16 pm

I am 100% Irish. At least, we have family letters going back to the early 1700s in support of that notion - some history professor wrote a book about the letters. A DNA test generally supports it with an infusion of a Viking somewhere. At any rate, I have dupuytren's contractures on both hands.

Here is the thing: St. Patrick apparently was Welsh. I haven't found any bars with beer imported from Wales on tap. When I was in Wales, I drank some mighty fine biers there, btw.

I have found a bar with Kostritzer, a Heiffeweizen and some dunkels on tap. The choice is simple and virtuous: I am going to that bar. I guess I don't care whether they change the color.

I edited that comment above. And this one as well, but not significantly. Guess I just can't get it right the first time despite being sober.

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SoCalJim's picture

March 17, 2023 at 06:22 pm

That bar sounds like a winner. Happy St. Patrick’s to you!

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:28 pm

LMM%'inAO Jim...

What if 33 and 28 get hurt two weeks apart? ; P We'll need all those RBs... Or what if Gutey trades 33 at the deadline and we don't re-sign 28? Hull was just insurance and STs. : )

We have no proven TEs, so Gutey triple dipping like he did with WRs a few years back seems smart to me... ; ) (Remember when MM rostered 6 TEs one year?)

More than one way to skin a cat James...

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Lphill's picture

March 17, 2023 at 06:59 am

unfortunately too many here were obsessed with Aarons hairstyle, girlfriends and family issues instead of focusing on Aaron the football player, I think he is a once in a lifetime talent , lets see how Mahomes does in 18 plus years, I am a Packers fan first and will support Love 100% and being a New Yorker I will be able to watch the Jets every week and root for Rodgers. GPG

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Vachio's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:55 am

In the fans' defense, his choice of girlfriends has left a lot to be desired. After Danica Patrick, it was all downhill. :)

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:47 pm

I'm not sure Danica is all there either... ; P

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NickPerry's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:02 am

The Packers fanbase seems to attacking itself more than usual. Some people think we all have to be thrilled he's leaving, some people promise we'll miss him when he's gone and the franchise will descend into the dark ages..

Speaking for myself I'm thrilled he's leaving but I'll miss him too. I mean common, how could you NOT miss the greatest thrower of the football? While I don't think the Packers will descend back into the dark ages of the 70's and 80's, I don't think we'll be a SB contender in 2023 either.

I've been one of the more fortunate Packers Fans. I remember the Lombardi years, then the horrible DECADES of the 70's and 80's, followed by basically 30 years of AWERSOME fucking football! Two of the biggest reasons for that awesome football were the QB's, Favre and Rodgers.

I loved Favre and I loved Rodgers. They are/were two of the greatest to EVER play the game of Football. But like everything else it came to an end. I'm excited about this franchises future. I'm excited to watch this offense the way it's SUPPOSED to be run.

At the end of the day I'm happy Rodgers is gone along with the drama and the throwing of coaches and teammates under the bus. I won't miss the "Death Stares" he makes to young players or even his coaches, or the smartass comments at the podium.

But even after all that I'll MISS watching him play. I can't tell you how many times I've watched that 38 yard completion to Greg Jennings on 3rd and 10 in the 4th quarter of the SB. Screw Eli Manning's pass to David Tyree while he held on with his helmet. That pass to Jennings was one of the prettiest PERFECT passes I've ever seen a QB throw.

But it's time and this franchise ISN'T descending into the "Dark Ages" of the 70's and 80's. It's to take a minute but this is the Packers. I have NO DOUBT greatness is just around the corner! Now Gute, just NAIL that draft!

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Coldworld's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:18 am

This was true during the end of Favre/emergence of Rodgers. The centrality of the QB role in football and the tendency for good ones to play with a team for many years leads to fans with differing reasons for being here. There are plenty of fans who have known nothing other than Rodgers. For a lot of more casual followers he’s not only the face but the one they think they know. The true attachment is often to the individual first. Others have a tendency to live through and support via individuals not the more complex concept of a franchise.

When that individual starts to decline or approaches the inevitability of it, it’s hard for some. Some have divided loyalties, others feel that they are losing their object of support, in some cases even veneration. You can see this in how posts are framed, in what triggers them too.

Then there are people for whom the player just grates. These are kind of the opposite. The higher the profile the player in terms of media focus but also in terms of impact on the team, the more of these there are likely to be. In both Favre and Rodgers it’s hard to deny we had distinctive characters.

Then you have those who are all in on the Packers, the concept of the franchise and the team above anything and, saliently, anyone. Typically not as attached to individual players, these tend to look not just at now but the future and have a wider focus on the overall ability and off field performance.

Since any fan of anything is constantly dealing with ups and down and frustrations, the different perspectives and allegiances only add to that and ratchet up the tension and language. It was inevitable that this would get intemperate. To me it’s not got as fraught or divisive as it was in 2007-09. As happened then, people will gradually come to terms, adopt Love, realize they still are engaged with the packers or really we’re all along, or they will drift off, at least while Rodgers is still playing.

Just a fact of life in times such as these. Hater is usually a term applied for lack of a valid argument by people who can’t let go to Father Time or accept the dynamics of roster/cap reality have brought an end to an era, though a few will actively claim it. When I see that, I know the argument is lost and that the writer is going through a painful loss. Then I feel lucky that I’ve always git the Packers and that I know not every year can be an up one but that, in The NFL, the next year could be.

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NickPerry's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:09 am

Nice post CW...

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murf7777's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:23 am

Well thought out CW

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murf7777's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:20 am

I like the softer Nick:). I don’t agree with everything and that’s ok, but Nice write up. This is a very emotional time for us Packer Fans, not unlike when Favre did the same for 3 years. Ultimately, Rodgers has done way more good than bad for the Franchise. It’s been a great run. I will miss his play and I will root on our new QB Love.

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NickPerry's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:13 am

LOL...Thank you murf7777...It IS an emotional time for Packers fans. Even if I'm not fond of some of the things Rodgers has done or does, I have ALWAYS loved to watch 12 play the game AND play it while carrying the "G". I can even say I'll be a Jets fan (as long as it's not in conflict with anything Packers related) while Rodgers is the QB there.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:05 am

Well-said, Bruce; I agree with all of it.

The Rodgers-Jordy years were probably my favorites of the 50+ years I've followed the Packers. I found Rodgers a breath of fresh air after Brett Favre (who I loved for his enthusiasm and "finding a way" moments, but he was kind of a jerk as a person, in my opinion). Rodgers has always been more honest and open than most famous people, and while he has seemed to become more and more narcissistic, he's remained a decent person, (again, in my opinion). Then again, I've never been a hero-worship kind of guy; I like anyone who puts out some effort and isn't a bully or jerk to others. It's funny that Favre was the kind of person someone might say they'd "like to have a beer with," but personally, I'd MUCH rather have a beer with Rodgers.

But it is time to move on. I roll my eyes at those who spout comments about how we're "going to regret it" when he's gone. That's just silly. He's 40 years old. He's going to be gone VERY soon, one way or another. I don't regret the inevitable.

Good luck, Aaron; I really enjoyed having you as our QB.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:18 am

I just know that Rodgers for the 15 years that he has started has given us a shot to win every game he has played in. He has brought excitement and has been one of the top QB's since he started. As a player what more could you want from the player.

I just wish we could have done a little more around him in his time here to get us at least another championship. Think about all the wasted higher draft picks over the years. 2007- Justin Harrell, 2012- Nick Perry (could have had Harrison Smith), Jerel Worthy. 2014 - Khyri Thornton. There were many others but these guys always stand out in my mind of high draft picks that just did nothing in GB. Now Perry was a decent/good player, but its hard knowing we could have had Smith (picked 1 spot after Perry).

In the playoff losses our defense has averaged giving up 32 points per game. That is hard to overcome. There has been a lot made of us not getting him a 1st round WR. And yes I get it. They did do a great job of getting 2nd round WR's for him early in his career. They used 3 - 2nd round picks and 1- 3rd round pick in his first 4 years in the league. But after that, they used 2- 2nd round picks on WR's for the next 14 drafts. They didn't get him enough skilled players to support him IMO.

That is why 2014 to me stings the most because that year we had a championship caliber team and we simply didn't finish it. There have been a few other opportunities, but that year just hurts.

But I appreciate what Rodgers has given us for the last 15 years. This book is almost closed, we are just waiting for that final page to be put in ink. Hopefully our next book will give us some similar fate, in that we are competitive each year, and hopefully Love can be the next in line for great QB's in GB. Hopefully he can bring the Lombardi trophy back to GB. I appreciate what Rodgers has done for us, and I am excited for our future.

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:24 am

“You don’t have to hate Aaron Rodgers to be glad he’s leaving.”

True.

https://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-jets-trade-1850220912

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murf7777's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:32 am

Hate is a strong and not a good emotion to have. I may not like something, but stay away from hatred. The reality of this whole situation is it’s a tough business and feelings get hurt on both sides. Both sides may try to spin it so people take their side, that’s human nature to some extent. Quite frankly, I find it very difficult to take sides when you don’t have 100% of the information.

I’ve also let my emotions at times get in the way of logic and have written a couple of things without proper thought of fully understanding the other side. Oh well, in the end, we’re all human who make mistakes, just like Packers FO and Rodgers. Whose fault is this situation, IMO neither, it’s just business.

What ever happens in the end, I’ll appreciate Rodgers greatness, and support and cheer on the future Packers. I will hope we get a 3 peat, Favre, Rodgers and now Love.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:35 am

"Whose fault is this situation, IMO neither, it’s just business."

I would say its both their faults for not communicating. I think they needed to be more transparent with each other especially from the moment they drafted Love.

I believe had Gutey talked to Rodgers immediately when they decided to draft Love, things may have went differently. Obviously we have no idea, but I think had they communicated, things maybe would have been more clean the last few years.

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murf7777's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:55 am

Yes, both is right, how I should’ve presented it. I don’t think it would’ve changed Rodgers stance on the issue of drafting Love thou. Rodgers will say that, but he probably would’ve been against it and the Packers would’ve drafting him anyways

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:55 am

It may not have changed with Rodgers. He holds grudges so there is a good chance it would have played out the same way either way. It just seems there has been a lack of communication.
And I'm not saying they needed to tell him, we are drafting Love. But maybe talk to him right away and let him know. Maybe have the coach or someone call him as they are making the pick and let him know that they are taking Love with their first pick. Not to worry he is still their guy, but they really like Love and want to develop him. He definitely wouldn't be happy either way, but they are at least letting him in on the decision, so he doesn't find out by watching the draft like everyone else.

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:06 am

RC, we agree!

None of the team issues widely discussed here have been all AR’s doing. There’s two or more people within the Packers organization responsible for where this team stands today - for the good and the bad.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:56 am

I agree Greengold.

Just seems to me that what has been lacking has been the communication. Hopefully moving forward it will improve.

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 12:13 pm

The communication & lack thereof by the Packers front office has been trite, devoid of professionalism, appropriateness & skill in both discourse and message sending since Mark Murphy took his position and then took his subsequent positions, for himself.

He's a one-man show that we all rightly want to throw tomatoes at, as Packer fans.

I would sizzle a beefsteak right in there, square between the eyes if given the chance.

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:56 am

murf, you could not have said it better.

We’re all fallible, which is part of the human condition.

Do I hate Murphy or Rodgers? Absolutely not. I have compassion for them, as I suspect both of being compromised by what appears to be psychological disorders. Some pretty significant ones at that, and oddly enough, both closely related, if not identical maladies.

That might explain why the butting of heads is so strong and overt between the two.

Despite that, I refuse to buy into the metaphorical past expiration bag of goods each is selling.

I loved and supported AR (still have my blue/gold 12 throwback jersey) until he started showing his true colors. He’s so into himself and his own personal goals that he’s blind to giving in for the greater good.

He’s likely to completely miss the honor bestowed upon him by Namath’s allowing him his 12 jersey, in Namath’s hopes that Rodgers can guide the NYJ to win another Super Bowl.

Instead, Rodgers’ focus will more likely be to win another MVP.

Those are very different things. As we’ve learned.

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T7Steve's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:15 am

Maybe he figures he's honoring Namath by wearing his number too?

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:32 am

That's a possibility, but I do know he's smart enough to understand the sentiment by Namath with having allowed Rodgers that.

I hope Aaron does well enough to meet us in the Super Bowl, and then lose to us. That would be one for the ages.

GPG

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stockholder's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:40 am

It does matter.-
I can repeat myself as much anybody.
And most of the articles are just repeating themselves.
But when the professional odds makers
point to," Last in the division."
Well, then it's No longer just an opinion.
It's No longer about the Love.
It's about the Team. History repeating itself.
This FO has Frustrations, a grudge!
Motives to quite possibly preserve the past, than win.
The welfare of the team just nose dived.
And my belief is; they don't want Rodgers
to be the greatest Packer in their history.
The NFL schedules are set up revenue.
And the odds play into that.
So don't tell me it doesn't matter.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:54 am

this is me not responding to your latest incoherent ramblings with a response directed to the words you randomly placed near each other...

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:47 am

I'm open to the Packers taking their hits in the W/L column this season, while growing to begin this new era. It will certainly help our draft positioning next year should we pile up a bunch of losses.

Something tells me that won't be the case, and GB will be surprisingly (to many) good in 2023. I expect them to be in the playoffs.

I agree with you that the Packers FO has grudges against AR. They both have grudges with each other, and what we're witnessing is "Narcissim: Mano e Mano." Yes, it is a cage match.

All I know is Mark Murphy won't be with the team forever, but this Packers team will be here throughout the lifetime of the NFL.

Mark Murphy's legacy will be nothing more than a boil lanced in Packer annals.

...what...?

LOL

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Coldworld's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:02 am

I do not think that Murphy will be well thought of in hindsight either. If he staggers to completing his full term, it says more about the scale of the damage he’s done to the structure and board. After he’s gone, the institutional veil will gradually erode and I don’t think he will like it but he will deserve it. Rodgers on the other hand will be welcomed.

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:12 am

If the Packers were smart, they would bore into his sledding hill and turn it into an Off-Hours Food Pantry for those in need. You know, support the community, and those who are suffering.

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dobber's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:13 am

OW! My brain...

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:32 am

Ow. LOL. #sorrynotsorry

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dobber's picture

March 17, 2023 at 01:43 pm

Nah, I was responding to the lead comment...

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Untylu1968's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:46 am

I am and was a huge Rodgers fan, but I believe it's time to move on. When you hear over and over, look out next year for a "motivated" Aaron, he'll make a run at mvp.
My issue is, shouldn't you be motivated every year? The fact that it takes pissing him off to light that fire, is enough for me to move on.

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Vachio's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:49 am

I'm 100% in the same boat. I loved watching Aaron play and have many fond memories of his time in Green Bay. I remember thinking he would be a Trent Dilfer type QB when he was drafted. Never been so happy to be so completely wrong. But it was definitely time...and probably a year overdue in my estimation. I'll cheer for Love and god willing, whoever takes over once his career is done (hopefully after a long and successful one). When Rodgers goes into the HOF on the first ballot, I'll cheer for him again and again be thankful for all the great memories he gave me along the way.

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ReaganRulz's picture

March 17, 2023 at 07:49 am

Thanks for the article Bruce. It has been hard pressed to find many people that really wanted ARod to remain a Packer. We were blessed to have a generational talent for so many years. And for that I am grateful and wish him well in the next part of his journey.

The one common denominator that I’m seeing is our support for Jordan Love. While that brings pressure, it should also motivate him to know the fan base is behind him. The Packer’s still have a lot of talent on the offensive side and a couple of additional draft picks/FA’s would be nice to help Jordan as well. Also looking forward to a younger and more athletic QB. Can’t wait to see how this all comes together!!

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PatrickGB's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:01 am

I don’t hate him. Both him and the team could have handled things better. But then so could we all.

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murf7777's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:34 am

Good point Patrick, we’re all human and are not perfect.

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:57 am

Bravo, my friend! Well said.

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:01 am

Yes. Good article. Rodgers didn't flub the onside kick in Seattle. Or he wasn't the coach who should have gone for two in Arizona. Or he wasn't the GM who made lousy draft picks when he himself was fading. And he certainly wasn't the CB who gave up an easy TD and a holding call in the Tampa Bay game. And he certainly wasn't the front office who squandered a decade of his greatness.

He was the guy who threw the hail mary to win the game in Detroit. He was the guy who owned the Bears. He was the guy who torched the Giants in a playoff game. And he was the guy that just couldn't get it done the last few years. And he became the guy whose personality no longer matched well with the fans.

I was all in for him last year. But he wasn't. Lazard said as much when he noted that the timing had to develop during the season. Timing and such is developed during the OTA's. Lafleur should have fired Barry for his lax defense. That story is still to unfold.

Sometimes in life a person needs a change. Rodgers and the Packers are in that position. Time to move on. It is as simple as that. Good fortune for Rodgers and go Pack.

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mrtundra's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:05 am

Before we drafted him, I remember players from Cal saying we are going to love his arm. Truer words have yet to be spoken. I love what Rodgers has done with the Packers. I wish him well with the Jets and hope the time he has left in the NFL is rewarding and fulfilling for him. GO PACK, GO!!!

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T7Steve's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:13 am

I will always consider Rodgers a Packer even if he doesn't. It's different from Favre (who I thought should've retired) because I think this is what's best for him and gives him the best chance at another championship. He deserves another, and I think he needs the chip on his shoulder that's worked for him since he was in high school and shunned by the big schools.

Bruce said, "but the sum of parts with Rodgers at the helm just felt less and less confidence-inspiring each year, even if he wasn't the sole cause. There's no denying that he checked out for the offseason last year and he played like he was on his farewell tour for a good chunk of the season." Coaching! Coaches and the front office enable this.

Coaching brought a 7th round draft choice rookie QB to the NFC championship this season against a QB in his second or third year. If he hadn't been hurt early, he might have gone on to the Super Bowl. Coaching! If the FO and coaching think all you need is a great QB to win, it's a lose-lose situation.

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Coldworld's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:56 am

I do not think Favre should have retired any more than I think Rodgers should. It would have been neat for us. I would have preferred not to have that coda to either QB’s career, but both remained/remain capable on the right team if no longer at their peak. If they can and want to, my preference is immaterial.

I thought we needed to move on from Favre for a number of reasons, as I do with Rodgers, but that isn’t because I thought either couldn’t play at an NFL level. Favre was pretty good when healthy post departure. He was probably ahead of Rodgers for 2 more years, but it was the right time in the broader circumstances, as it is now. Favre was also younger than Rodgers when he was traded. I see a lot of parallels, more as this goes on.

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T7Steve's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:32 am

Very parallel. The reason I thought Favre should retire was because he'd actually retired. I didn't like the back and forth. I'm now used to it.

As for Rodgers, I just believe he should get another chance with a team that's already in its window and just a QB away. We need a complete team before we worry about the QB, but it's nice having one already.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:18 am

Bruce, I do not think there is much fans that hates ACR. I know I sure not. I'm just trying to be realist. For me it is not problem if someone makes mistakes. Problem is when for those mistakes person who made them try to blame others. Very simple. In your article you (not directly) gave credit to one person for success of the football team. But when things starts to go south, you put blame on everybody else.

"Beauty of football is in fact that 11 players should play on the same page to achieve victory." was the answer ACR gave on PMS answering on question why he believe football is the best (beautiful) sport above others (he mention that it goes to D as well as ST, too).

So, how come that we were (and still are) not allowed to ask for accountability for ACR mistakes that was outcome changing plays. Like that NFCCG 2020 season or DRG 2021 season?

Both games he did not play well. But 2 mistakes at the end of the those games put Packers as losers.

He never take responsibility for those mistakes. That is what I complain about. Not because he made each of them, but because he tried to avoid the responsibility for them.

And, that is always my firs objection on ACR. Second objection is that he gave himself right to call other people, but I never hear him (except once, when he admitted that he was watching his past playing tapes and found he has to correct some things) he talks how he regret that this or that pass or decision from him war wrong.

I can write here few more shortcoming I saw and I was already discussing them.

It is not the theme of the article not time for that. I will add this statement again here, and I will stay with that:

I agree that by his playing for Green Bay Packers he brought a lot of joy in Packerland (me included) and that he deserves to be in Packers HOF and to have his number retired for the Packers. I have no doubt in that.

But, it is the time!

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Lphill's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:55 am

Croat you just can't stop bashing Rodgers in every post, he' s gone can't you just man up and wish him well?

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croatpackfan's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:58 am

I already did wish him the best many times. Sorry you missed my post with my wishes to him.

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HarryHodag's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:20 am

Yet another day we talk about His Darkness. Please, make it stop! Off to the Jets and be done with this!

My fundamental issue with Rodgers was the way HE treated the organization. Like always thinking he was smarter than everyone else including his coach. When Rodgers got the ESPY award he talked to Matt LaFleur from the podium like LaFleur was his dumb younger brother. I was embarrassed because this is an employee talking to his boss. Not his frat brother, his boss. It showed all I needed to know about Aaron Rodgers.

Jordan Love will get his shot but I think somewhere in this year's draft they need to draft another one to develop. Love looks ready to go so now is the time but I follow Ron Wolf's philosophy: always look for the next QB talent. Love will have a young and talented receiver corps(if they can find a starting tight end), a good running game and a solid offensive line.(To all the Gutey haters, yes he brought them in too).

In five years all of this will be forgotten, but lets just get this divorce done, split the assets, and move on.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:55 am

Captured my thoughts nicely Harry!

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Spawny's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:45 am

In the end the truth will come out. The packers are moving on to Jordan Love. Is that saying that Aaron Rodgers is no longer the starter. Yep. So he's not good enough to start in Green Bay but the Packers want compensation. Some of you want 2 first round picks. Why? Grundyshorts
Smurph and LaStink have decided Love is the man. What ever happened to competition? Whatever happened to the best guy starts? So if Rodgers is worn out, a pain in your ass, or simply cant play anymore, then take whatever the Jets offer. THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT. Grundy and Smurph planned this a long time ago. Now La Stink has to look in the mirror. "Holy Shit I have to coach without Rodgers?" There is no other scenario. Rodgers wanted to retire a Packer. Now he will go to New York Jets and probably show all Packer fans what a bunch of buffoons our front office is. I say play the way you always have Aaron Rodgers and stick your foot up the Packer's collective rearends. I am so disgusted with Green Bay that I've decided to be a Jets fan. And I hate Joe Namath.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:00 am

buh bye

I will miss Rodgers a little now and then, but not you at all.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:12 am

I heard the same exact crap from dipshits just like you, when Favre left! Some even went out and bought jets jerseys, but in the end, they came crawling back, after Rodgers proved them all wrong. If you choose to jump ship, just don't come back, fickle fans aren't needed...

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T7Steve's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:27 am

If you can change teams, you were never a real Packer fan. Did you ever root for the Vikings?

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:35 am

Wow! Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Rodgers was 90% certain he was going to "retire as a Packer"... pre darkness. Apparently that would have made you a happy fan.

He emerged into the light and decided he now wanted to play for the Jets. Shouldn't you be upset with him?

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Coldworld's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:48 am

If you can decide to be a fan of another team just because you don’t like the current leadership, you were never truly a fan of the team in the first place.

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dobber's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:35 am

OW! My brain....

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:30 am

Complete douchery. Adios, Spawny. Don't let the door hit ya!!!

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ricky's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:00 am

Double post.

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ricky's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:00 am

The leader of the "If you want to see Rodgers go, you hate Rodgers", is Adam Schein, on Mad Dog Radio. He has resorted to browbeating and bullying people into agreement. This is highly unusual behavior for Schein, who is usually much more temperate and not a jerk. It's always better to get rid of a player a year too early, rather than a year too late. To beat that horse a bit more- the Packers had a golden opportunity with Denver to gain a lot of draft picks and players who could help Love with the transition. They hesitated, or were too greedy, or simply scared. Whatever. They then signed him to a contract that effectively turned the team over to Rodgers. Now, they want it back. The pieces are all there: the Jets want Rodgers; he has said he wants to go to the Jets. Now, it's just a matter of compensation. Who will fold? Will the Packers back off their alleged wish for a minimum of two firsts? Or will the Jets hold the line, hoping they can get Rodgers on the cheap, like they did with Favre? In that case, it was a conditional fourth, which turned into a third. Like it or not, this is the precedent. It is management that has gotten the team into this dilemma. It is up to them to get the team out of it. If the Jets offered a first and a player or two, take it. They missed the money train. Time to take what you can get.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:15 am

My newest idea is this:

The Packers give the Jets Rodgers and our 2023 1st round pick #15

The Jets give us Their 2023 1st round pick #13 and 2nd round pick #43

AND the Jets give us a conditional pick in 2024 : 1st if they get to the playoffs, 2nd if they don't get to the playoffs, but Rodgers starts at least 10 games; and a 3rd if he plays less than 10 games.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:11 am

Let's get er done! I like it...

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:08 am

Like most here, I have been a lifelong Packer fan, watching Lombardi's teams with my dad on a 27 inch black and white TV screen. Fortunate to see Bart Star on that screen as he earned MVPs and won SBs.

Two decades followed Bart with about 20 QBs playing behind center (Lynn Dickey was a good player) with names like Tagge, Whitehurst, Wright, even Concannon leading losing campaigns.

Then, in 1992, Majkowski got hurt and a kid from Mississippi took the field against the Bengals, brought the team back and won the game on a TD pass to Kittrick Taylor (first and last pass he ever caught in GB!).

Favre never came off the field until 2008 earning 3 MVPs and a SB. A messy exit ended it, Favre was traded to the Jets, but Rogers handled it well. Most of us had no clue if the late first rounder would be any good.

Any good? Rodgers was spectacular! Earning 4 MVPs and a SB. But another messy exit is here and Rodgers will likely be traded to... The Jets! But Love is seeming to handle it well.

Starr, Favre, Rodgers...MVP QBs, Championships and Superbowls.

Will Love be added to that list of 3 one day? We are going to find out.

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Cwilly's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:30 pm

He won’t be added that’s the point. Rodgers had to move on but if no one is fired after this season packers are a bad franchise .

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BruceC1960's picture

March 17, 2023 at 09:52 am

I don’t hate AR either. Just time to see him go. I couldn’t care less about his stance on vaccines, mushrooms or women. I appreciate his accomplishments, but my perception of him as a person isn’t is as high. I put him the same category as Springsteen, Trump, Quentin Tarantino, Tiger Woods. Like a lot of your work, but don’t want you living next door.

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:00 am

I loved Aaron Rodgers as a player for the Packers, and then things changed...
I don't like Aaron Rodgers.
I don't hate Aaron Rodgers.
I appreciate his moments of greatness, as a fan of the Packers.

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dobber's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:11 am

He is/was a Packer.
Every Packer will inevitably someday be an ex-Packer. Don't get too attached to the livestock.

ARod is a commodity. He has value on the field, and as long as he does he also has value to other teams. At some point a decision needs to be made objectively on every player regarding cost/opportunity. Most would agree the greatest opportunity was apparent last March.

The contract it took to bring him back in 2022 shifted the cost curve too much. The Packers were stupid to give him that contract. I don't blame ARod for taking it when offered, but it also limited his time in GB. He likely knew it when he signed it. The Packers knew they likely couldn't maintain it. Yet, so many act like this separation was a surprise. The dance of the last year was preordained last March.

Eyes forward, folks.

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:24 am

Perfectly stated, dobber!

Amazing the messaging on AR's value. Chris Candy has it right, knowing proposed offerings of inferior compensation packages is crazy. Jets fans will go ballistic if the deal is not done before the draft. I would strongly urge the Packers to try to make that their goal as well, because time kills all deals.

What will likely happen is GB will get the Jets #13 pick along with an R2 with provisions attached to move up to an R1 or an R3, in exchange for Aaron Rodgers.

We all can pretty much assume there will be an additional R1 or R2 in trade for David Bakhtiari.

There's no way AR agrees to his being traded to the Jets without Bak, and I'm 100% certain that has already been agreed to, per Rodgers' statement that he knew last Friday... the day the Packers happened to restructure Bak's contract.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:39 am

Well said, GG. I enjoyed the success as well. I wish Rodgers well, but wish the Packers better. A thumbs up for you!

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:14 am

Enjoyed the read, Bruce.

This caught my eye "No one's perfect, but you can still like a flawed man." I've been told in the past one guy was perfect and they wound up crucifying him.

Now Rodgers may not be crucified by the New York press if the trade goes through and he doesn't deliver a championship, but he may find out that he will be roughed up a bit.

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badaxed's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:21 am

Here is one of the "Great" Green bay packers view of the "Change". I agree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLFcNtZlJFo&list=FLDwkMdVT6zmG_roNVxxPB1...

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:00 am

Yeah... Can't argue with any of that...

*I was ready to move on from AR12 last year, with less BS and more picks!

Too bad idiot Murphy torpedoed that trade...

Go Love Go!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:20 am

Bad,
That was Good! :)

Thanks!

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greengold's picture

March 17, 2023 at 02:54 pm

So good, bad.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 17, 2023 at 03:23 pm

LOL!

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Packers0808's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:40 am

My guess this whole trade thing in Rodgers view is come down to his now lack of control on the team.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:42 am

Just heard that Raiders and Garoppolo did not finish the signing of the contract. Allegedly Jimmy did not pass the physicals. And announcement press conference is cancelled.

Anyhow, it looks like deal will be done this evening.

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harleycops's picture

March 17, 2023 at 10:43 am

AR and the Pack were consistently a prime-time game on the NFL schedule. Just watch - the Jets will be on prime-time TV more than the Packers next season as the Rodgers infatuation moves to the east coast. And that's OK, because you can imagine that most of PackerNation will watch AR against the AFC East to see how he fares. He'll be going up against Belichick, McDermott, & McDaniel 2x/year. That should be very interesting. I wish AR well. But I hope Love does better! He's our guy now, like it or not!

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:14 am

*I like it. I personally think Love is ready. I thought he should be ready last year and wanted to move on then.

Love Aaron and all he's done, but when it's time it's time. Had Gutey not drafted Love, it wouldn't be an issue or time to move on, IMO.

I do believe AR plays 3 more years if he doesn't get hurt. I blame Gutey for jumping the LoveGun... (Lol) Now that I know it bothers someone, they're in trouble! ; P

Seriously though, if Gutey hadn't drafted Love, 12 might not have been an MVP two years in a row. He may be retired already. We also might have won another Super Bowl had he drafted Tee Higgins? We'll never know. It's why we watch.

I wish 12 all the best in New York, (he'll need it...)

I too am in the I want to see a miracle Packers/Jets Super Bowl this year crowd, no matter how improbable.

Go Jordan Go

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:22 am

I jumped long ago on the 'like it' wagon!

This is truly going to become a Love story! :)

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croatpackfan's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:55 am

I become Jordan Love fan after watching more than 6 hours of highlights, evaluation and analyses videos. I saw raw guy with huge talent and upside. I was jumping (yes, i can still jump at 63) in my house when Packers brought back Tom Clements. That moment I knew he will be great. I will admit I'm wrong if that do not happen. But what I saw was long balls in amazingly small windows to players just to collect (catch easily) it.

I saw some bone headed decisions and some bad pass catchers play that produce so many INT he had his last college season. But no matter of that you can see he has that natural motion when he throws the ball.

Also, comparing with last 2 seasons of ACR throws I can say that ACR balls were clearly with less zip and very often floating through air.

And, last, I'm glad to be able to watch more, for you, early games as your noon games are my early evening games (7 pm). Prime time games starting at 2:30 am and I can watch them only next day.

Wish all the best for ACR in the future, but I doubt he will be able to reach happiness, because of his personality.

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Lphill's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:57 am

again you bash Rodgers.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 17, 2023 at 03:11 pm

So, I have to lie, otherwise I bash ACR. OK.

HE IS THE BEST MAN EVER WALKED ON THIS EARTH. HE IS BETTER THAT JESUS EVER BEEN. HE IS UNMISTAKABLE AND HE KNOWS EVERYTHING. HE IS MORE WISE THAN GOD AND ALL MIGHTY.

Satisfied?

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:03 am

Ever heard the phrase "there's a fine line between love and hate?" Its usually used to describe a romantic couple having a falling out then that love turning to spite. I can only speak for myself, but my attitude towards Rodgers is a lot like this. I was in Rodgers' corner from day 1 much like I've been with Love. I watched him grow from a wet behind the ears rookie into an absolute legend on the field. I took pride in that, especially considering that it wasnt popular to support Rodgers in those days much like it wasnt cool to support Love being drafted. Rodgers overcoming the Favre fiasco and turning the corner to superstardom meant everything to me. I felt invested like I had done some small part to aid him against the odds. Over time you develop a bond where you see these guys almost like family. Thats how big of a Rodgers fan I was. As the years went by, the only thing more disappointing than all the gutwrenching playoff debacles was that the guy I constantly defended became harder and harder to defend, on and off the field. He became brash where he used to be cautious, he became controlling where he used to stay in his lane, he just flat out became too big for the Green Bay Packers. I finally came to that realization in 2021 when he staged his coup disguised as a holdout. Thats when my love and deep admiration for him began to morph into spite. It was one thing when his ego just meant some strange soundbites or the occasional player getting yelled at on the field. But eventually that ego began to hurt this team. And that I just could not support or defend any longer. I've been accused, many times, on this board of being a blind hater but that couldnt be any further from the truth. What i feel is betrayed. I feel that he took our support and loyalty and leveraged it against the team we all love for his own selfish means. How does love not give way to spite? Am i supposed to just ignore all his ridiculous behavior because he did great things on the field? Being a Packers fan is unique in that its about so much more than just what happens on the field. The Green Bay Packers symbolize community, unselfishness, and coming together to create something thats greater than the sum of its parts. Can anybody look back at the last 5-7 years and honestly tell me Rodgers lived up to those ideals? He became the exact opposite and it absolutely breaks my heart. I will forgive him eventually (assuming he never plays for an NFC North team) but its gonna take time. There's a fine line between love and hate.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:25 am

RTS,
Well stated, and thanks for so succinctly capturing my own thoughts about AR as well!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:45 am

Thanks Knock. I meant every word too.

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Lphill's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:58 am

did you hear directly from Rodgers or did you just believe all the drama Queens from NFL network and ESPN?

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 17, 2023 at 06:07 pm

After I pour my heart out thats your response? Really dude?

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:20 am

As we say in my country: "Ack så bitterljuvt det är att skiljas"

(oh how bittersweet it is to part)

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Swisch's picture

March 17, 2023 at 11:58 am

You can be angry with a person because you care about him, want the best for him, even love him.
Oftentimes, the most loving reaction is anger.
If a person is descending into bad behavior, it's not loving to enable that bad behavior.
If a person is treating others badly, it's not loving to enable him in treating others badly.
To be angry is not to hate.
To truly help someone, speak the truth with love, with kindness but firmness, even if the truth is not popular with that person at that time.
***
Generally speaking, it seems that superstars like Rodgers have enough sycophants always agreeing with them.
The sycophants don't care about the superstars, but about what they can get out of them.
I wonder if these days Rodgers is listening to the sycophants, and shutting out the people who genuinely care about him.
That would be a tragedy.
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On a final note, it's not about the personal life of Rodgers, but about how his personal actions affect the Green Bay Packers, including the fans.
Rodgers has been jerking around the Packers and us fans since at least 2021, if not earlier.
There's good reason to believe that his apparent arrogance is undermining the stability and stature of the Packers, that he has been bringing down the entire team and the whole franchise in his domineering arrogance.
A self-absorbed and attention-seeking quarterback is not going to be a leader of men.
Rodgers is the fault line around which the Packers crack and crumble in the pressure of the biggest games.
He is fool's Green and Gold, often glittering and glamorous, exciting and enticing, but ultimately heartbreaking.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 17, 2023 at 12:38 pm

"Breaking up is hard to do" - Nell Sedaka

So it is with Rodgers and Packers fans - after an 18 year relationship. And like most break-ups - what is foremost to both parties is why the relationship ended - not what sustained it. However with the passage of time, the lowering of emotions and introspection - can a more complete and balanced picture of the relationship be seen and appreciated - now including all the positive memories. I trust that it will be so for Packers fans and Rodgers - eventually.

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ottscay's picture

March 17, 2023 at 12:55 pm

I think this is the best piece I've seen to date on the Rodgers situation - well at least the one that is in closest agreement with my own opinions. Thanks for the read!

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J-Rome's picture

March 17, 2023 at 01:07 pm

I think there are two sides to Rodgers, and which side you see is the cause of your delight or despair in his leaving. Rodgers made some of the sickest throws I've ever seen, like the throw to Jared Cook . Remember when he was injured against the bears, came out after halftime and led that comeback? I thought that stuff only happened in movies. It was awesome to watch. Then there's the other side. The guy who wanted to control everything, like other players, the front office, the media. When he couldn't control those things he would get frustrated, and I think the frustration carried over into his play. Rodgers always thought he knew best. Often he did, but when he didn't it was ugly. I think the uglier side has been more evident recently, and that is why people want him to leave. I also want him to leave so we can move on, not only from him, but his band of merry men as well. That said, I don't hold ill will against him. I feel it was a privilege to watch him play. I will definitely be watching some Jets games next year.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:41 am

Superb comment.

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BoHunter's picture

March 17, 2023 at 01:14 pm

Football aside I’d much rather have a beer 🍺 with Favre, Aaron would be lucky to finish his just like at the Bucks game.

Cheers,

BoHunter

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Igotthisround's picture

March 17, 2023 at 02:26 pm

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Swisch's picture

March 17, 2023 at 04:00 pm

I'd have a beer with Favre in Mississippi, a scotch with Rodgers in California, or a brandy with either in Wisconsin. Now that I'm living surprisingly in the Southeast, I'm also up for drinking bourbon.
Even though I've disagreed with both guys as to how they handled their last years in Green Bay, no hard feelings and all the best to them.
I heartily appreciate all the good times they contributed to the Packers and us as fans, and -- in genuine camaraderie -- I'll gladly drink to that.

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Jgilmor08's picture

March 17, 2023 at 02:48 pm

I’m scared sometimes. Just frightened with people in general. In peoples minds when they are told a narrative to follow, it’s never questioned why? The answer is yes right away master!

Aaron Rodgers became focused on himself rather than the team? Do you think this through? Surely you’ve seen him discuss three different times how important it is for an organization to take care of players who invest back into the community. Invest in the community and integrate into the region is something Rodgers has done his entire career yet somehow he’s selfish? The team traded away and alienates his friend and top target forcing him to rely on rookies, yet shows up and works. Doesn’t command a trade?

This entire circumstance has put such a shitty taste in my mouth about the intelligence of people. I’m actually looking forward to the witty replies that reference different media outlets opinions and perspective as evidence to the contrary. Yes using examples by people who hardly qualify as journalists that are no more qualified than me and some guy sitting on a bar stool at a local pub. In fact that’s about the extent to the quality of reporting these professionals have maintained. Substantiate information? Are you crazy then how will we get viewship. Instead let’s create a narrative of controversy. People are far too stupid to question how we got the information. They won’t want it validated they just want to see problems.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 17, 2023 at 06:13 pm

"In people's minds when they are told a narrative to follow, its never questioned why?" What narrative? The narratives crafted by the media? Or those crafted by Rodgers? He is no better than the media. He literally is what he claims to hate. And while you complain about people not questioning the media (which ive done nearly my entire adult life actually) do you ever question Rodgers' narratives? You're no better than the people you're complaining about either.

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Jgilmor08's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:14 am

I absolutely question what Rodgers says, as much as I would any other source of information. The truth remains that it’s basic human nature to paint yourself in a positive light regardless of circumstance. It’s the responsibility of the person to formulate an un biased perspective of the situation.

It’s plain and even simple to see one week ago every article title was anti Rodgers; Rodgers holding packers and jets hostage, Rodgers gives list of demands, NFL world waiting for Rodgers decision as free agency opens, AR gives Packers all of the leverage in trade talks. Not one of these un folds the reality or a corroborated fact but instead provides gossip and conjecture. It’s truly the National Enquirer except instead of rolling your eyes in the supermarket line like everyone does for the NE they instead buy the magazine and believe it as gospel. I’d love a few examples of how I’m wrong in this instance but the harsh reality is media pundits don’t particularly like Rodgers as evident by the countless media articles supporting that. So when Packer fans are giving negative remarks and hatred towards a loyal player who lived and breathed the community it’s disappointing. My die hard packer fan father is the perfect example of stupidity and blind belief. I’d feel differently if so many fans weren’t wholly against AR.

As a comparison the fan base was legit split between the franchise and supporting Favre when. He was exiled. Here is Favres last three seasons for the Packers…..
20 TD 29 Int 70.9 QB rating 61.3% completion percentage
18 TD 18 int 72.7 QB rating 56% comp percentage
28 TD 15 int 95.7 QB rating 66% comp percentage

To cap that off there was the refusal to help Aaron develop. The contrast to this is AR has wholly and willingly done everything he could to help Jordan Love. Somehow the narrative is that he’s a shitty team member.

26 TD 12 int 94 QB rating 65% comp percentage
37 TD 4 int 111 QB rating 69% comp percentage
48 TD 5 int 121 qb rating 71% comp percentage

How is it even justifiable for people to be against this player? Because he didn’t come to OTAs give me a break.

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Packerpasty's picture

March 17, 2023 at 03:00 pm

Love will. be so boring...who's going talk about his hair, his girlfriends, his beliefs, his private life....hope he's good cuz he gonna be boring...

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 17, 2023 at 03:14 pm

If Love displays all his drama on he field, winning games, getting to the playoffs and the SB...I am good.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

March 17, 2023 at 05:34 pm

Loved Rodgers the football player. Always had a chance. Thanked the lucky stars that the niners chose the other guy and that #12 fell to Green Bay and Ted was wise enough to take him. Had enough of AR when the I became more important than the Team. Wished Murphy had been smart/foresighted enough to trade him last year. That being said I more than likely will (again) watch a few jets games and wish the QB the best while hoping the Packers stay competitive. That just probably won’t be in 2023. May I eat my words uttered when Goodell said the love word…

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golfpacker1's picture

March 17, 2023 at 08:44 pm

I think the thumb injury had more to do with Rodgers "down" numbers than anything else last year. Although I still think the Packers receivers would have been better last year if he had made a committment and worked with them before season started. I guess we will never know for sure. I do know that close to 25 teams would have gladly taken Rodgers stats last year and him as their QB. And I also think Aaron still has more great football in him. I really hope he plays well for the Jets and if they get to the playoffs or super bowl I will cheer him on. I think 99% of us Packer fans will. You might see more creative QBs in the future but no QB now or in the future will drop a ball on a dime like Rodgers has in his career. The drama is what people came to dislike and the making Green Bay put everything on hold while Aaron held them hostage the last 2 years was the deal breaker. Do you really think he wouldn't have done it again next year too? At least if this trade ever goes through we will get some value back in picks and hopefully some good, young players too. Moore, Mims, and Ruckert catching balls would sure help Love get his career off to a good start and the Jets don't need them.

Good luck and thanks for the memories #12. Come back and sign a 1 day contract when you retire.
It will be quite a party!!

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