This site should just be called 'waaah' today.

5 takeaways from the playoffs game? You only need one-HEART.
After a previous NFL game with MLF's best man as their coach they beat the Packers and what did he tell his team? The Packers are soft! Hit them in the mouth and they fold like a lawn chair. It might not be 100% accurate, but he was telling his team they had no heart.
It would seem that the Chicago coach feels the same way. Has MLF tried to change their culture? His practice method? I can't say, I know early this season Crosby was saying that practice seem helter skelter under MLF. (Not exact words again but meaning was clear)
So Mr. Policy, what do you do? IF you keep MLF, than have him report to Gutsey and give him a contract. However if you're keeping everything status quo then making the playoffs and winning a game or even two is your ceiling.
JMHO

It is time!

He's not the only one. Offense is unimaginative and the defense can't shut down opponents at the tail end of games with any consistency. Some heads need to fall.

Yes, I would have thought by now that even the most ardent MLF supporters (like some of these authors) would be ready to admit that it's time to move on. It's been time to move on from Bisaccia for a good while now, so the subtitle is a bit reundant.

What is needed first and foremost is a culture change. No need to rehash the gory details of the second half, but in the closing minutes did you see how discombobulated both the offense and defense were? They were rushing around like scurried mice trying to figure out what to do, burning unnecessary timeouts in the process. The Packers aren't prepared for any kind of adversity in clutch moments, almost seemingly programmed to wilt under pressure. So they folded like a cheap tent in embarrassing fashion.

I can't understand anyone excusing this situation or waffling about what the correct course of action should be in this moment. A coaching housecleaning should just be the start of the discussion.

Agreed I don't see how ANY HC can return after this, but our ST woes are bigger than just RB. Not that I'm saying he should be retained. It seems GB has made ST an afterthought; contrast that to Belichek who made it just as important as O and D.

McManus missing 7 points in a season ending 4 point loss though ...

Not only MLF but their is one more higher than that needs to be shown the door thats right the bozo wasted a 1 round draft choice on a backup qb.

I'm afraid you're right Ken. Too much talent has been wasted by bad coaching, pretty much up and down the roster. Hafley is an exception, and he will be hard to replace.

Over the last few years, Gluten has assembled enough talent for a legit SB run. Yes injuries played a big part this year, but those guys will return for most of next season. They deserve better coaching, and as fans, we deserve that too.

It's a shame that the HC needs to be replaced on such a talented team. There will be some hiccups as players and coaches adjust to a new guy at the top. So be it.

Finally, I hope Policy returns to an org structure where the GM reports to him, and the HC and VP of Operations report to the GM. There is no need for change at GM. Gluten has done a great job finding talent.

Or his favorite answer is, we have to better, we have to be accountable, but he never is either one

Thank you Babe . I turned to my buddy last night as soon as the game ended and said Willis would’ve won that game . Those two intentional grounding penalties during crunch time are not plays of a franchise QB. This franchise is a mess .

Well as long as you're reposting in this thread I will repost my riposte. If we are rewriting history, as you are, taking away plus plays, to make a specious point let's take away some negative plays. Doubs covering the onsides kick and McManus making all 3 misses. We are in a different conversation then. But one not grounded in a full reality either.

Put Love behind the Bears O line and when he has time like Williams had most of the night, he would have put up better numbers.

Need a qb who is intense about winning, not Mr. Monotone, expressionless Love. Intensity was apparent in Williams, on our side nothing. The entire team lacks discipline to keep their own feet to the fire. This reflects on the head coach. Too many emotional pieces are currently missing from the Green Bay Packers to make them an elite team.

I disagree LaFleur is not an NFL Head Coach . Unless you like what you saw in the second half of games this season . He has no clue how to turn this team around . Gets out coached and then wonders what happened . Anyone who watched that “ performance “ last night and said to themselves oh yeah LaFleur coached a great game is blind . He is not the answer .

It’s LaFluer—not Guty.

I've been perplexed by Love having read his senior year he tossed 18 picks, and we're talking div 1a. I did see he is trying to imitate Rodgers, throwing off back foot tossing ball out of bounds if no play and throwing bombs.
It wasn't until someone the other day posted that I got it: unlike Rodgers he is a slow thinker. He needs time to figure things out.
In big time games it's just not there.
LeFleur has him figured out via practice and knows what we are just getting: he ain't a rocket scientist. His arm isn't accurate and he throws away the ball to avoid getting planted.

Babe - your posts are endless and repetitive. Some of your points are valid but lost in the absurd length of your posts. Plus I think that you made the same post 4 times since last evening's game.

Give your audience some credit. We all watched the game. We don't need the entire game narrated to get to your points. Make it easier on your audience and yourself. Very often less is more. Thanks, Since '61

This is social media. If i wanted to read a novel, I'd go to the library and check out "War and Peace". Your title would be War and Piece of Crap. FYI Hurts lost against a 49ers team banged up worse than GB. GPG!

Hell yeah ! A team is a reflection of its Coach . What does that say about LaFleur ? Find a new coach now .

Eric Wilson was the guy he chose not to resign and went with Hafley's guy to get bounced around the inside of the Defense. Wilson had a probowl season.

Also notice that we drafted Cole Van Lanen in the sixth round in 2021, got rid of him after one season on the PS, and he's starting at LT for the Jaguars today. Hard to imagine he won't play better than Rasheed Walker has in the last half of this season, but we'll see ...

Benny (boy) Johnson, in the locker room after the game, apparently screamed, “fck the packers”. His lack of humility annoys me, but he was all about winning.
Our attitude should have been the same.

Gutey doesn't decide who starts at C.

SMH

you should learn who does what before you post... Gute doesn't decide who is getting cut, Mlf and his coaching staff does that. Gute takes that player and does what ever he does with that player after that. He gets the players ( thought i would argue Murphy had his hands all over that) but he doesn't decide who stays once there here.

That I'll agree with you on. I also thought it was an obvious mistake to lose TJ Slaton, but apparently he got a huge payday. I would've preferred keeping Ja for cheap. And Stokes had a good season. I also saw Big Dog Mercedes Lewis do some effective blocking recently. Isaiah Simmons came up clutch yesterday. Cole Van Lanen is starting at LT for the Jaguars.

Love was once again in panic mode when the Bears defense stepped it up and blitzed . Two intentional grounding penalties added to the chaos . When the going gets tough .

Exactly all but the long time Gutekunst propagandists on here see who Jordan is as a QB.

Love is not as great as his numbers show. He can't do it alone. He needs better plays drawn up and a better D. But with those, he is good enough. I won't cry if they keep Willis and trade Love but that is even less likely than firing MM (ie. Mediocre MLF", he's not a bad coach, but not good enough and a proven choker with the inability to adjust.)

let's not forget the long pass dropped by reed on a perfect ball from love at the end of the game. I think that would have put us down around the 10 yard line. maybe even a td

Agree. I’m old enough to remember . Thank you for your service .

Thank you for your service!

An "entire change of coaching staff" portends a roster rebuild; new QB, tear it all down. I think that would be a waste of a massive investment in talent.

Hafley turned around the culture on the defensive side of the ball and they ALL love playing for him! I don't see why he couldn't do that for the entire roster as HC? While I don't see how this team returns with MLF as HC, neither do I think they do anything but regress if they lose both MLF and Hafley.

We'll see what Ed Policy does, with the most likely thing seeming to be making no changes at all :/

We badly need a "Ron Wolf" type GM as well. A coach has to have good talent available to him. Van Ness and Morgan as first round picks? Terrible. No use replacing an important part in a race car if the driver is bad!

Retired soldier here…welcome home!

I'm going to say something that's hard to really quantify, but there needs to be a dramatic uptick in accountability. Others might say, "tougher" or "smarter", but the bottom line is that this is a team that makes too many mistakes and fails to learn from them. People tend to attach "accountable" to that. They're still talented enough to get through the regular season when the schedule is littered with teams that are decidedly less talented and less disciplined.

Sometimes you just have players that don't learn or lack the on-field recognition to adjust. But a big chunk is coaching, and coaches recognizing who can be counted on and who can't. A change in staff will sweep some of those players out, but will the Packers find players who they can count on? You can't cut everyone.

I said it two years ago. Aaron was Matty's handler and so gifted him the three 13 win seasons to start his coaching career, and slow regression to the mean thereafter. Is Fifty Million Dollar Man Love micro-dosing quaaludes? All smoke and no fire. Gutekunst or his successor need to find more intelligent prospects for the defense.

LaFleur is exhausting. He will get you there, then break your heart.

During his tenure, he has enjoyed immunity from accountability by the Football Committee. On paper, Mark Murphy has been, and today Ed Policy is, his boss. Does the President and CEO have the time to inspect, manage, hold the HC accountable? Of course not. So the Football Committee, by consensus, should hold the HC accountable. Do they? When?

So in turn, LaFleur does not hold his direct reports accountable, either.

Hiring people is usually a positive experience. Firing them is not. But both are necessary. LaFleur seems very averse to firing under performing employees. He is, like the Football Committee, very status quo. It suits his personality.

If Playoff success is important to Ed Policy, he has 7 years of evidence to prove that goal is not being met.

Is the new President and CEO a status quo person? If so, winning more games than are lost during the regular season might be the goal. 7 years of evidence for that goal too.

Does Ed want to continue to chair the Football Committee? If not, then assign control of the Team Operation to the General Manager of the Green Bay Packers. And Ed Policy can, like Bob Harlan, put his thumbprint on the Franchise as President and CEO of the Green Bay Packers.

Murphy's Management by Committee must go. And a true GM of the Packers will make that happen. Then, probably lots of change.

It’s not startling anymore it’s expected . It was the Bears biggest playoff comeback in their history . Sounds kinda familiar under LaFlunk.

I "really believe" if mcanus make those 3 kicks we win the game.

Yet MLF hasn't consistently been good in the first half and bad in the second, the inverse has also happened. What we never saw this season is a full 60 minutes from this team; I think the HC is responsible for that, no matter who else contributed.

Of course you're right that our kicker missing 7 points should have never become a determining factor. I'm not sure that it's as simple as MLF got out coached but it sure seems like it; Chicago obviously adjusted at halftime and LeFailure never adjusted to the adjustment. We've seen that quite a lot ...

Indeed!!!

Golden looked good enough to have a “few” more targets during the season . But LaFlunk disagrees .

Morgan’s run blocking is just as bad as Walker’s if not worse. It’s questionable whether he would improve pass protection. Bad use of a first round pick.

What gives me pause is Jon-Eric Sullivan walking out the door and Gute staying in his chair .

he won't be twiddling them for long

Gutekunst has no say on the assistant coaches nor on the special teams players because LaFleur does not report to him.

We don't know how much input coaches have on acquisition decisions. I wanted to keep Mecole Hardman, for instance. Along with several other players: Eric Wilson Cole Van Lanen (LT released in '22) TJ Slaton (too expensive though) Ja for cheap and Stokes played well this season.

GM job description needs to be returned to league standard. Will Ed Policy make any changes at all?

Some need to see more from LaFlunk before they go out on a limb to say he needs to go . You know a couple more seasons of this shit show before they will make that commitment .

Awesome and deserved . I wouldn’t mind adding Valentine to the list .

The takeaways must be made by Policy.
If they go; he's out on the limb to get better.
That won't happen;
as long as they keep making the play-offs.
Or making any change until the players want it!

As long as Hafley is retained I'm ok with all that. But notice that with a good pass rush #25 was good. I'd also be ok with drafting 3 CBs and 3 DTs, but it looks like we also need a kicker

Amen . Prestige Worldwide wide wide .

Yep.

For arguments sake, how exactly is that done without taking nearly a $100 million cap hit ?
Putting together a competitive roster isn't the same as kids trading football cards.
Tell me how a roster is built taking a cap hit like that.

I don’t know if he’s better, but I believe he could have done what Love did last night, but in 2nd half Willis might have gotten some critical 1st downs with his legs.

That's the Papal Bull or Encyclical that Gutekunst - the Pope- has put out to all his high priest propagandists for them to repeat - if you listened to Andy Herman he said the same thing - same words.

Ridiculous - any statistical success Jordan has had is because of Lafleur's play call choices and schemes and being sure not to let Jordan try any of things that Rodgers used to do.

There is SIMPLE REASON for this:

Lafleur is not at all the problem.

In Lafleur’s first 3 years with Rodgers as starting QB, Rodgers was 34 wins and 12 losses where Rodgers dropped back to pass more than the Packers ran – that is a 73.9% winning percentage.

In Lafleur’s first 3 years with Jordan as starting QB, Jordan is now 11 wins 19 losses and 1 tie in games where Jordan drops back to pass more than the Packers run - that is a ABSYMAL 37.1% winning percentage!!!

The NFL is still a passing league you cannot be a Super Bowl contender with a quarterback who after 3 years has an ABSYMAL 37.1% winning percentage when the team passes more than it runs in games!!!

Lafleur – a very very smart and aware coach – recognized that Rodgers passing accuracy, arm strength, ability to think and quickly process the field, and agility in the pocket and pocket awareness made passing a winning formula with Rodgers as starer so the Packers passed more than they ran in 46 of the 53 games - that is 86.8% - that Rodgers started under Lafleur in Rodgers first 3 years with Lafleur.

Lafleur – a very very smart and aware coach – recognized that Love had poor passing accuracy, weaker arm strength than Rodgers, an inability to think and quickly process the field, and a lack of agility in the pocket and pocket awareness made passing a losing proposition with Jordan as starter so the Packers have passed more than they ran in just 31 of the 52 games – that is 59.6% - that Jordan has started under Lafleur in Jordan’s first 3 years with Lafleur.

Lafleur's record now after 3 years - 52 games - with Jordan as the starter- OVERALL - whether passes exceed runs or runs exceed passes - is 28 wins 23 losses and 1 tie - 54.8% winning percentage.

Lafleur after 3 years - 53 games - with Rodgers as the starter was 41 wins 12 losses - a winning percentage of 77.4%.

Overall 77.4% winning record with Rodgers after 3 years compared to 54.8% overall winning percentage with 3 years of Jordan starting!!

The stat that Love is so great with a clean pocket, well that's great, but Love is a detriment when he's under pressure. He has no idea what to do, and apparently coaching doesn't get through to him: you have to have a timer in your head, know when (and how) to get rid of the ball so you don't get a penalty or a pick or a sack. He looks lost out there under pressure.

LaughLeur doesn't help him: where are the emergency outlets? Why didn't he add another lineman? Where are the intermediate targets, the wheel routes? What's the plan when ANY team sends extra pressure? LaughLeur doesn't know how to adjust other than to overuse shotgun, which tells the other team it's going to be a pass. Where are the screen passes? Why does the play action disappear? Draw plays? He ought to have those in his pocket at all times, not wait until the next game plan to come up with an answer...