Apparently not for Hafley. At least, if he was dissembling, he did a remarkably good job of conveying faith that Hobbs will turn it around by playing and that he would be. I can’t say I share that confidence in Hobbs: whether it’s health or ability only affects the long term not the present. Thus far he’s looked not just bad but physically overmatched to the point of impotence in coverage.

See Joseph's article--he has lots of good ideas. If both Hobbs and Valentine continue to struggle, you may see one of them come to fruition. I like anything that involves moving Musgrave for a useful return, because he can't block and is barely featured in the receiving game.

Hobbs: Combine Gute's penchant for versatility and the unmistakable influence of Bisaccia= we're already thinking of ways to get out of this contract. With the exception of Nixon, Bisaccia has been a useless hire, and hopefully he will be sent packing after this season.

Melton: He's on the roster for more than special teams play, right? Maybe it's time to start actually using him.

Bo Melton time.

Time to throw Melton into the fire. Can't be any worse.

Good, if obvious, article.

I quibble with but one sentence: "Clearly, the Packers would be in trouble if injuries hit the cornerback room as they lack proven depth."

Clearly, the Packers ARE ALREADY IN TROUBLE AT CB EVEN WITH THE TOP 3 PREFERRED CANDIDATES ALL BEING HEALTHY ENOUGH TO SUIT UP OTHER THAN HOBBS IN GAME 1.

There is no excuse, zero, nada, none, for the piss poor CB play with our best pass rush in years, speed at LB in Quay and Cooper and more than competent Safety play.

Here are the uncomfortable facts: Keisean is at best an OK #2 outside corner, Hobbs is solely a slot CB and he may still be dinged up following his recent knee surgery, and the coaches have totally give up on Valentine to the point he played 2 snaps last week because even though he may be the best pure outside coverage CB he could not even tackle soft as a marshmellow Luke Musgrave if it came to it.

There is only 1 solution, time for Gute to re-capture that sense of urgency and get us a legitimate boundary corner before the November 4 trade deadline comes and goes.

"The coaching staff has to determine whether Hobbs’ struggles are largely due to his knee injury, or if he just isn’t suited to playing boundary corner."

It is clear Hobbs is not ready to play boundary corner now. He's had the knee injury early in camp and didn't get snaps in practice or preseason. He has rarely practiced a the relatively unknown outside CB position. And he had to learn a new defense.

And the D coaches are still unable to determine the reason for Hobbs' boundary blunders...he's not ready to do it!

Make him backup to Bullard at slot CB and keep him there until he displays competency at slot. Boundary CB should be moot...for now. Start Valentine...at least some of the explosives should be prevented.

What's Jarret Bush doing these days?

In 2023, the Packers de facto starting CBs, were Nixon and Valentine. Alexander missed 10 games and Stokes missed 14. Nixon finished 2nd in solo tackles 58; Valentine was 8th, with 33. Nixon was 3rd in snaps, Valentine was 6th. The defense was 10th in scoring defense, and the pass defense specifically was 9th in completions, 9th in yards, 8th in Adjusted Yards/Attempt, 9th in QB hits...well, you get the idea. 31st in interceptions.

The next year we had better safeties. Again, with Nixon and Valentine the starters, we finished 6th in scoring. We were top 10 in things like opposing passer rating, sacks, Adjusted Yards/Attempt, 3rd in interceptions.

I don't know what the story with Valentine is, but if he's healthy then he should be on the field Sunday night.

Best 5 man secondary: McKinney, Williams, Bullard, Nixon, Valentine. Stop exposing Hobbs when he's on the field by having him play press coverage on the outside. Back off the guy and concede a short catch and then make a hard tackle. They have to throw half a dozen of those to equal one downfield.

The Pass Defense is not horrible, but most of us thought it would be better than it is right now. We'll either play real well tomorrow night or we'll get shredded.

The NFL wants scoring and excitement and there's no better way to get that than through the air. For a long time now the league has made the rules favorable to the offense and the work of covering downfield is one of the hardest and most thankless in the game. There are very few "shutdown" corners any more and looking at the league as a whole the Packers aren't bad, are in fact better than most; with the most glaring deficiency being lack of interceptions.

The Packers have yielded 1,272 yds. or about 212 ypg so far this season. For comparison Detroit has given up 1,486, Chicago 1274, Minnesota 1316, the Rams 1458, San Fran. 1516, Philly 1549, Tampa Bay 1603.

The Packers have given up 10 td's. Within the NFCN the Lions have allowed 14, the Bears 11, the Vikings 11. Some others: Falcons 7, Cardinals 8, Rams 8, Eagles 7, Giants 9.

The Packers net average gain per pass play is 5.0. Detroit's is 5.7, Chicago's 6.9 and Minnesota's 6.5. Denver at 4.9 is tops in the league with a couple of others matching or approximating Green Bay on this measure.

Opponents have thrown against the Packers 238 times this season, most in the league,, but have completed 161, which ranks 23rd.

Obviously the most serious deficiency for the Packers is only 2 INT's. The Bears have snared 11, the Rams 8, the Lions and Eagles 7 by comparison.

But just who are the Packers going to get or how? Just who was available to them in this year's draft? The Packers have struggled with corner and safety picks for the past decade. Since 2015 they've used 4 first round picks 3 seconds among a total of 15 db selections in their drafts.

Remember Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Kadar Hollman, Shemar Jean Charles, Anthony Johnson, Karen King? The only one that really worked out was Jaire Alexander and he was derailed by injury. Eric Stokes and Darnell Savage showed a little promise but eventually became whiffs.

I'm sure if we combed the lists we could, in hindsight find guys we wish were Packers but that means somebody they did select wouldn't be here now.

The NFL wants an aerial show for fan attention and entertainment. The day of the db is all but past.

I agree with others that the obvious solution, at least for now, is to play Valentine instead of Hobbs. Valentine held up well as a starter in the first two games. But I haven't given up on Hobbs. He missed a lot of time with an injury and is transitioning to a new role on a different team.

Also, I think poor safety play had a lot to do with last week's problems in pass coverage. And despite the issues, the Packers gave up 23 points, which is not horrible. And they got stops when they needed them. The last three drives by the Cardinals resulted in a field goal followed by two turnovers on downs.

My biggest disappointment with Hobbs was his poor tackle attempt on McBride near the goalline. If physicality is supposed to be his strength, what does he offer without it?
Puzzling that Valentine hasn’t gotten more of an opportunity thus far, but I gotta figure Hafley has his reasons. He’s at practice every day and probably knows just a little bit more about defense than I do.
Regardless, GPG!

We have no corners so their is no problem except teams will kick our asses going forward. I see a five game slide. Why not. I would pass pass pass on this team

Nixon hobbs suck. They can't cover or tackle