Hey Cory. Waiting until Halloween? Brave analysis. I think we know enough right now to make an educated prediction about the upcoming season. After all we Packer fans have been closer and more exposed to the inner workings of the team than anyone. The organization as a whole, including players knows exactly what they have and what they are capable of and have been blunt about it. They know they are going to be good and will compete for the division and conference and yes super bowl. Nobody seems to be listening. It's kind of silly to say we "know nothing" about Jordan Love. We actually know quite a bit and from what I've seen we are in for a treat.

Respect is earned. The 2023 Packers will have to earn it.

Are they going to be respected because we took LVN at #13 last draft? No. Musgrave? No. Reed? No.

Watson last year? No. Well, why not?

“Who’s throwing to him?”

No one’s going to give Jordan Love respect until he starts leading this Packers team to a gigantic pile of WINS!!!

Being Packer fans, Kenny Clark, De’Vondre Campbell & Jaire Alexander are “elite” to us… not to the rest of the world.

“Kenny who?” Not a household name. In the last 3 years he’s had a total of 10 sacks. “Elite?” Fervent fans see the other stuff that Clark does which often doesn’t make the stat sheet.

As fans, we’ve gathered info on about 30 new players added since 2022. We project what we guess might be in 2023. We can add up the sack totals, pressures , TFL, INTs, Catch%, ypc & 40 times till the cows come home, and none of it will matter until these players prove their mettle.

The Packers aren’t being disrespected around the league. People just don’t know what we have. Us fans don’t know. Neither do the Packers. Everything is left to be proven.

Disrespect? No -
Rodgers owned the Bears.
The Lions just plain Sucked,( until Last year.)
And the Vikings were the only threat.
So why couldn’t a MVP QB Win?
Well thats whats changed.
The offenses caught our Defense.
And this offense doesn’t have a MVP!
So there is. A no name offense and No MVP.
Be a Happy Boy all you want.
But only a couple of guys made the NFL top 100.
And the real laugh is thinking;
Love can make them better.
Remember hearing how talented the enemy was?
But somehow that talent never amounted to much.
But the scariest part; we value are own more.
So I can see why you want to wait till Halloween.
But the reality is you can’t blame anyone.
Other than the people that put us here in the first place.

There will be bumps in the road, for sure. I think Love will be fine for us. I think our defensive woes came down to either Barry's schemes or poor execution. Bisaccia has STs humming after he became that group's coach. I'd love to say we get 10+ wins, this season. I think I'll go with 9 wins, which is one better than last season. On a team full of young players with high upside and potential, I think 9 wins would give them the drive to be better in the next season. I see us only getting better as time moves on. We do need 2nd year guys to step up, now, though. I feel the coaches are developing a winning team and we will see flashes of that soon enough. GO PACK, GO!!!

"This is the first time since 2010 that the Packers have an elite player at each level on defense". The Packers had 1st rounders at each level of the defense going into last year after they added Quay Walker. That is one of the main reasons why last season was such a disappointment. We fully stocked the defense with elite players but Barry had them playing scared of the line of scrimmage. I'm going into this season with a positive attitude but the defense needs to put up or shut up!

I agree with Greengold! Respect always need to be earned! No one will gives you respect just like that. You need to prove you can do it. Not only do it, but do it on high level. Interesting is that you can have a group of high talented players, but if they are not playing as unit, their talent will be wasted.

Smart guys knows that. Now, it is the time to repeat to whole team constantly - "You are unit and you can achieve your personal goals only through achievements of unit!"

That story was missing last 5-6 seasons with Packers. Everybody was talking how FPQB wins on his own and success should and would only come through his excellent showing. That was so far from the truth as we saw so many times at the most important moments of the season.

Ask yourself why Lions won 2 times vs Packers last season. I will offer the answer. They played as unit (all 3 phases)! Packers leans on some hero balls from their FPQB, who failed in the most important moments. Because he was standing alone vs opponent. Because every Packers player play for himself.

Who forced Packers to one player wins all? Time will tell. But that happens in all collective sports. You can have team full of stars (for example soccer team Paris St. Germain was never able to win it all in Europe because of exactly that reason - they had team full of stars and expected that one of them win for them). And when you see who wins - the team which plays as unit. Star player need to understand that and when that happen his excellency help the unit. Otherwise it ruin the unit.

I believe that Jordan Love understands what I just wrote and I hope that team will back him in that position. From limited sources we have about state of the team it looks like that team unite about the goal, not about the player. If that is the case, limit is over the sky. Limit is the universe.

The facts are there is so much UNKNOWN about this Packers team it's impossible to know how they'll look and respond week one, especially on the offensive side of the ball. I mean 2nd year players leading the WR room and rookie TEs expected to lead the way at that position are a little concerning when you have a QB starting for the first time as THE MAN in Green Bay. Throw in the entire right side from the Center position over to RT is still up in the air only adds to the questions...And that's JUST the offense.

On defense Cory is right, the Packers do have elite to borderline elite players at every level EXCEPT safety. Even with the issues at Safety my main concern is Barry. If they start the season like they were playing at the end of last season and getting better then the Defense and running game probably can carry them...For a while.

2023 is the season of the UNKNOWN...And for once I'm totally okay with that. My spin is I think it's going to be the START of some great Packers teams of the future and why shouldn't I? It's better than the doom and gloom of some. Reality is nobody knows. It's going to be fun!

I come on this site....a Packer FAN site....and see people disrespecting the team. The front office is a "clown show", Lafleur is a guy who is over his head and has been riding Rodgers coattails. A bunch of our players aren't any good. Our Defensive Coordinator should be fired, etc.

Why should the national media be any better?

At least Kenny Clark didn't use the D word. He was classy about it and did not overstate his case. Heck, Travis Kelce claimed the Chiefs were disrespected because the Eagles were favored by like one point in the Super Bowl. I get so tired of the "disrespect" angle. If that's what athletes need to believe to get motivated, fine. But they would be better off keeping it to themselves instead of being so dramatic about it.

I don't think the Packers are being disrespected. They are just being underestimated. And that's understandable. They have a new QB and are leaning heavily on rookies at the TE position. I think the WR position in particular is being underestimated though. They have a couple of really promising second year players there, and that's not the same as counting on rookies. Lots of players get really good in their second year in the league--especially when they were already pretty darn good as rookies. Meanwhile, the RBs, O-line, and the entire defense is chock full of veteran experience. This team's reliance on youth is true up to a point, but I think it's been exaggerated.

They're called 'opinions.' At this point, none of them are wrong, and people are allowed to have them, whether positive or negative. All of this 'oh, we're being so disrespected, no one gives us a chance' crap is BS. Lighten up, Francis.

By this time next week, we'll be talking about actual action in training camp.
If the players are as excited as the fans here at CHTV seem to be, it should be good times in late July and throughout August.