Every game the TV cameras show Brian & Ed watching whatever game in their luxury box. I started wondering in the Dallas game if Ed was thinking the same kind of thoughts as Ron Wolf from back in the Lindy Infante days.

If Matt was told that his Special Teams Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach had to go, would the head coach dig in his heels and refuse to deep six "his man?" In refusal, might Matt be shown the door?

Clearly, something is deeply wrong with the Packers special teams play.

Super Bowl team?

Not until areas of very troubling concern are addressed. Someone needs to make a Ray Rhodes-type call.

Past track record doesn't get you very far if the current track record is dismal!

There is a time to hire the best people and step back & let them fly & succeed. And then there are times when you just have to bite the bullet & step in...

Ed...it's time to get involved!

Overall I agree with this article. Yes the Packers must throw the ball downfield but there are two reasons I see as to why the Packers did not throw it down field much in this game. First the Cowboys were playing two high safeties a lot. Second is that the OL had injuries and back ups playing. Plus they have not been blocking well. It appears MLF might be a little gun shy. He might be calling the game not to lose. That was evident in the OT. Why didn't he call plays to the endzone. In OT where a TD would win the game there is a good chance for a PI. If this team is going to go in the playoffs and go deep into it MLF has to have a killer instinct. He needs to go all in.

I have no idea what happened to the defense. This defense should not give up 35 points in 60 minutes to a team like the Cowboys. The Cowboys have no featured back, they were without their top WR, and they have injuries to their OL. In the first half there was little to no pass rush. They had no turnovers. Gute went all in on one player and we now see that the defense is not ready to put the nail in the coffin when it is needed. The offense has to get the team into sizable leads so they can weather the storm.

All I can say about STs is that they are special for the other team. I close my eyes everytime they take the field.

"And the amount of screens and swing passes that Love threw was a little concerning."

It almost seems to me that Cory doesn't watch modern college and pro football.

"if you’re just dumping the ball off, isn’t that wasting the electric wideouts that the Packers have?"

It's a catch-and-run league, Cory. That's what "electric" WRs do...and good QBs take what the defense gives them.

"Love was 26-for-26 on throws of zero to 10 yards."

This is the first time I've seen someone critical of a QB completing 26 of 26 of anything.
There were encouraging signs in the run game in the second half against Dallas, but until the Packers get their OL straightened out, this is a pass-to-run team, which means they're going to throw a lot of short stuff.

Despite their problems with injuries and penalties the offense played well enough to win this game putting up 40 points. Unfortunately Dallas was able to take the Packers pass rush out of the game and exposed the Packers weak secondary.

The Packers now have their bye week and hopefully will get some of their players back and figure out their how to solidify their weaknesses. Specifically their STs.

After the bye the Packers will play 13 consecutive games before the playoffs begin and unless the Packers are the #1 seed they will not get another bye week before the playoffs. They will have a mini bye after the Lions game on Thanksgiving. It will be a long road for the Packers regardless of how long their season lasts. These last 2 games which should have been wins may come back to bite them big time for playoff seeding. GPG! Thanks, Since '61

Much talk about the weak secondary but I think the secondary was flying around the field in the first two games. Nixon had 5 PBU’s in one game. Tackling was excellent. Probably pressure up front caused the ball to come out faster, but the secondary was playing well. I thought Carrington Vallentine looked very good and couldn’t tell if Hobbs was an improvement vs. the Cowboys.

I’m guessing the difference in secondary play was scheme, with backs playing too far off receivers and pass rush not getting home. I was having Joe Berry flashbacks.

Finally, Dak played very well. I can only remember one bad miss overthrowing a crossing route. And his sideline throws were pretty lucky with some excellent catches.

One word: Matt LaFleur. He's not been good and might be holding the offense back. He's definitely not learned from his past mistakes regarding special teams.

And regarding teams, I think if we cannot coach up a decent result, let’s not even have ST coaches. It’s time to go for 2 every time after a TD. Fair catch every punt. Whalen can punt so there’s no need to go for it on every 4th down when we have the ball, but I’m tempted. On kick offs don’t even put anyone back there. Just take the ball on the 20 or 35 depending on where the ball lands. Huddle 11 players in the corner so there is no chance of a holding call.

Should have had a new special teams coach this year , Packers always wait too long to make a change , how many more games will ST blow?

Just very puzzled how RB has “forgotten” how to coach ST. And…
What the heck happened to the D? Sloppy tackling and no pass rush all of a sudden? In the first 3 games, those things were excellent! Such a dropoff. Why? Because Hafley suddenly forgot how to coach defense? That’s just lazy and wrong. But danged if I know how to make it right.

I think it is simply one thing, LaFluer is trying to do much of what he is incapable of during the games. He is trying to wear too many and he should give play calling to the someone else and concentrate on game itself, he is horrible on many challenges for instance, slow in calling right plays at right time etc.!

Prescott looked amazing. It was truly a game between Offenses. Green Bay cannot win in the trenches-they don't have the depth, lots of reasons why- Keisean is not a CB 1, nor is Valentine.

"There isn’t much you can say anymore about the special teams. The Packers are a blocked field goal and a blocked extra point from being 4-0. That’s how close it is to winning and losing in this league".

Sure, let's ignore the failure of all else and blame the losses on SPT's. This isn't said to excuse SPT play, but why were they in position to rely on of SPT's to win against two poor teams, one with no Offense, and one with no Defense. The Packers have boasted of having both to high levels.

Dang—you gotta win the games you’re expected to win. …Especially the Browns. The Cowboys are Jekyll & Hyde—they should have beaten Philly and Dak played out of his mind on Sunday night.
But geez, 4-0 would have been super, and now we began to wonder.
I do believe we find our way. Jacobs continues to amaze me. Kraft can be a star if MLF will target him more. I think Watson will add an additional dimension of speed.
But, McKinney, Cooper, LVN and Gary need to play as they did the first two games. Geez—where are the turnovers?
I believe we win the next three and I feel we match up well with Philly—not in fear of them.
Let’s get this train rolling down hill.
Go Packers!!!

Matt La Fleur should never have been allowed to continue to be the sole play-caller, in-game manager while showing signs of emotional and tactical breakdowns in every game against superior teams.(for years, now) Where were his superiors? Who actually holds him accountable and gives feedback? Murphy?

MLF needs to act like a CEO, give up play-calling, hire an authentic OC, pay attention to the entire team (ST's)
He clearly has been allowed to focus on the Offense, disregard his personnel responsibilities by refusing to fire poor performers and allowed to make the same in-game mistakes repeatedly.

I think back to all the packer games this season and offer a few things that are a bit puzzling. One has been mentioned by the Packer faithful and I will mention it again.

We need Special teams to get their heads out of their behinds. They continue to make mistakes. We have a great punter and kicker but total breakdowns everywhere else. This, to me, is an important intangible that we need to help us win games especially in the post season.

The other thing that I have not seen in any of these articles is: where are the turnovers that we should be getting. I have not researched the first four games but I only remember one turnover that we got. I know our DC is a proponent of ripping the ball out of the WR/RB's hands for a fumble but have not seen any success. Also, remember McKinney's interceptions last year. Why don't we have more of these this year?

With about a quarter of the season gone, it's probably safe to say the Packers won't be in the Super Bowl this year. Things might change but the holes the Cowboys and Cleveland poked in the Packers mystic showed this is just a mediocre team with a high payroll playing pretend NFL football. There really is no excuse for the lousy special teams play yet when it happens again and again it provides enough evidence that what we have seen is likely what we will have a dozen weeks from now.

Special Teams rarely win games...especially over the last 20 years in Green Bay. They should not prevent victories...which they have done in half the games this season. That is shocking.

Who holding LaFleur accountable? The Football Committee?

Who is holding Bisaccia accountable? The Assistant Head Coach?

No urgency...status quo stumbles on.

My business background has taught me that positive change starts at the top. Now, football in GB is more complicated - its a corporation run, in theory, by its owners, the fans. The Board, its President, and even its GM have large financial measurables tied to their jobs. The HC - as well as the GM - are in charge of the product they produce which theoretically drive the financial health of the buiness. In most NFL cities, a successful product is a winning foofball team capable of winning the ultimate goal of being the best team.

Are the HC and GM in GB really giving its owners the best product possible? In business, if an impediment exists in a product- like quality or performance - its URGENTLY fixed.

In GB, I would argue that a good product doesn't matter to the financial survival of this team. People will still go to Lambeau, tv revenue will flow in and the salary cap will ensure they make money. Well heeled fans will continue spend their entertainment dollar on GB regardless.

So, what's the motivation of this organization to produce a dominant product? From a business perspective, I would argue very little. From an owners' perspective, they get very little say. They may go to the AGM and listen to the Board telling them how well the bean counters have managed the money. But the PRODUCT? WHAT ABOUT THE PRODUCT?

My point is that while Ed Policy seems to be a bit different from past CEO complacency re: producing a great team, the same old HC - with the same attitudes and an apparant learning disability still controls the product on a tacticsl basis. His idea of ACCOUNTABILITY is to talk about it, but not take action to solve - either at the coaching or player level.

My point of this comment is that Matt LaFleur is failing to make the GB Packer product better. He's has 6 years to do it. We read about his weaknesses and excuses each week in his post-game comments. Always along the same themes ie. Play calling, ST breakdowns, the team looking ahead, etc. Blah, blah, blah. WHERE ARE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS? He's proved that talk is cheap, and that corrective action is something he's not able to achieve...

Many die-hard fans will dismiss the above argument and that is their choice. But this team presently is a huge disappointment in how it's product is managed and it lies mainly with the HC. A manager/HC that can't make tough and urgent decisions should not be a manager. And after 6 years of this critically repeated problem, do u think he can change?

@CanPackFan-

Thank you for summarizing, from a Business perspective, what is actually going on in Green Bay.
There is really no urgency nor impetus to solve the nagging issues re: the Packers.
They do bring in plenty of funds, seats are sold out & the sub-text is 'win just enough games' to provide hope that 'next year or the following or the following year' the Pack will go to the SB (though no changes are made to somewhat average GM/HC)-

Matt La Fleur' salary is 6 M/yr-why would he want to leave a cushy gig where he only has to win somewhere around 9 games every year with the perennial promise 'to do better' I also think there is likely a 'learning disability' present

Brian Gutekunst's salary is 'undisclosed' which tells me it is close to 10M-how many failed early round picks are hampering this team?
Rich Bisaccia is hauling in 2+M for the worst results in the NFL

And, we are putting all of our hope in a man we do not know, Ed Policy. He could be in collusion with the current folks--most of us think he will make major adjustments, I have no idea.

This is going to be a long bye week...

We score 40, give up 40.. And blame special teams. Nothing ever changes

The specula teams were responsible for 2. The defense gave up 38.