Cory's Corner: Inconsistencies Remain Consistent
Jordan Love has to sense and evade pressure if the Packers offense is going function.
The Packers escaped with a 24-19 in Southern California. The Rams had a plethora of people out with injury and on paper, this looked like a get-right game for Jordan Love.
The Packers quarterback didn’t look like the Love that won a playoff game last week after coming back from an MCL sprain. It continued in the first half at SoFi Stadium. Love was 9-for-15 for 119 yards with an awful decision to throw an off-balance prayer from his own end zone that led to an easy 4-yard interception return for a touchdown.
But what stood out to me was that Love is not getting outside the pocket. When there is a rush up the middle, he has been tentative to be as nimble as he was last year.
Love turned it around in the second half by finishing the game 15-for-26 for 224 yards and two touchdowns. But he also took a pair of sacks.
It didn’t help that Christian Watson was hurt and Romeo Doubs was suspended a game for missing practice. Reports say that he was miffed about his usage, but I have a hard time believing that because he came into the Rams game second on the team in targets. There is more to this story, but unless Doubs talks, we aren’t going to hear anything.
Then there is Dontayvion Wicks. He notched another drop on Sunday, to up his season total to four. He has electric route running, his large catching radius and speed are things that teams covet. This clearly isn’t a physical problem, it’s a mental thing. He’s thinking too much, instead of just playing.
I was a huge fan of Kraft coming out of South Dakota State. He’s as tough as nails, he’s quick and he isn’t afraid to lower his shoulder for the extra yard. He proved that in an amazing 66-yard touchdown reception. He is now fourth among all tights in yards after the catch per reception with 11.5.
Winning ugly is perfectly fine in the NFL. There is no Top 25 and no style points. All that matters is that you keep stacking wins.
It is a little weird that the Packers’ starting quarterback is 1-2 and the backup is 2-0.
But I think things will turn around for the offense. The one concern is Josh Jacobs. He is averaging 18 carries a game, which is a lot for a team that doesn’t have a lot of depth at running back. In order for the Packers to keep winning, they are going to need Jacobs, especially when the weather gets nasty in late November.
But until then, I’m not sure if the Packers can confidently draw up bootlegs and play-action bootlegs if Love isn’t willing to get outside the pocket. And if that’s the case, that hurts the explosiveness of this offense.
Love showed flashes, namely the amazing 53-yard pass to Jayden Reed, where he was draped in triple coverage. He just needs to be more consistent and above all, stop the Brett Favre gunslinger throws.
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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn
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Comments (121)
Cheezehead72
October 08, 2024 at 06:32 am
I do not fault Doubs. He is a competator and he got fustrated. He let the situation dictate his actions. It is over he has been punished and lost money. Let's all put this in the rearview mirror and continue on. I hope Doubs has learned his lesson and comes back with the team first attitude. Gute and the Packers' leadership handled this well.
Guam
October 08, 2024 at 07:42 am
You are more optimistic than I am Cheezehead72. I tend to lean toward Cory's interpretation that there is more to this. A WR who leads the team in snaps and is third on the team in targets (just two behind the leaders) shouldn't be so unhappy as to skip practice and get himself suspended. Something else is amiss. I don't know what it is, but I am concerned we haven't seen the last of this issue.
The larger issue is that the Packers have touted that the WR room is one big happy family and Doubs just drove a spike into that idea. It is clearly not "One for All and All for One" at least for Doubs and maybe for others too. I hope the WR room does not splinter over snaps and targets or whatever else got under Doubs skin.
GregC
October 08, 2024 at 11:31 am
I sure as heck fault Doubs for skipping two practices.
dblbogey
October 08, 2024 at 12:48 pm
Doubs hurt the team, by skipping practice and then missing a game. Screw him.
Leatherhead
October 08, 2024 at 01:39 pm
I can understand why he felt this way, and it might even be legit, but when you're skipping practices.....that's not what a pro does.
The mark of a champion is that even though they get knocked down, they get back up. We'll see if Doubs gets up. If he does, it's a win/win/win. If he doesn't, then it'll be next man up and the show will go on.
I think Doubs will get up and help us win football games.
GregC
October 08, 2024 at 01:46 pm
I also think he'll probably be okay. This doesn't erase everything he's done up till now. We'll see how it all shakes out.
bjkdad44
October 08, 2024 at 03:37 pm
🙏🏻🤞🏻🙏🏻
NickPerry
October 08, 2024 at 06:49 am
"The one concern is Josh Jacobs. He is averaging 18 carries a game, which is a lot for a team that doesn’t have a lot of depth at running back."
I think that 18 carries a game is a bit skewed Cory. He's had games of 16, 32, 14, 9, and 19. Take the Tennessee game out and he's averaged 14.5 carries in the other 4 games. The WHOLE idea was he was younger, could handle the load better than Aaron Jones.
I think the Packers have UNDER used him. RBs like Jacobs need the rock to get in a groove. His offensive line hasn't done him a ton of favors either. Watching Creed Humphrey of KC last night got me totally pissed off again the Packers drafted Josh Meyers...UGH!!!
Leatherhead
October 08, 2024 at 10:23 am
He's had 98 touches in 5 games. That's fewer than 20 touches a game, and well within the range of a lead running back. We've had 335 offensive snaps. Take Jacobs, and add in another 40 from Wilson, and that's 138 plays out of 335 snaps that end up in the hands of our RB. That's 41% of the offense, right there. It should be a higher %, IMO.
I can't buy into the argument that our Oline isn't pretty good. You don't move the ball and score points without people getting blocked. We're moving the ball real well, and we're scoring lots of points, so people are obviously getting blocked. I don't see how you can make the argument that we're scoring these points without the Oline getting the job done.
Starrbrite
October 08, 2024 at 02:10 pm
It is the pass blocking I’m concerned about.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 09, 2024 at 09:58 am
Lots of rushing attempts are getting stuffed because our O line gets beat.
Simple as.
Sometimes #8 turns it into a positive play anyway, but stats tend to hide this rather than reveal it.
Getting ahead of the sticks on first down to help JL10 means being able to run successfully, and consistently. Improvement in this part of the game is one of the areas that's most needed, and might prove to make the biggest impact in the W column.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 11:40 am
A try to ignore a lot of the.. 'interesting' information in Cory's articles, but anyone who thinks 18 touches is too much for a back is.. I don't have words.
First off, unless you have a RB made of glass, you shouldn't have any concerns about carries per game. Second, it's Josh freakin' Jacobs. Third, we're not "thin" at RB. Yes, i understand Lloyd is currently on IR (designated to return). We still have a good backup in Wilson and a healthy 3rd running back. That's not thin.
LLCHESTY
October 08, 2024 at 01:48 pm
18 carries a game is 306 carries in a season. In the last 5 years there have been 7 300+ carry seasons and 3 of them were by a freak named Henry. So it's a bit rarer than you might think. Having said that I think 16 carries a game is fine for a back like Jacobs and I doubt he gets another 32 carry game this season so I'd imagine, assuming health, he winds up in the 270-275 range. If Lloyd comes back and takes a few of those great, Jacobs could be a little fresher for the playoffs.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 05:34 pm
The number of carries isn't a reflection of concern for a RB health, it's a reflection of the realities of the game- it's a passing league.
Stats without context are useless.
LLCHESTY
October 08, 2024 at 06:24 pm
8 teams had 499 carries or more last year. In 2009 6 teams had 499 or more. Teams could easily give a RB 300 carries if they chose to do so. Context does matter and was taken into account on this instance.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 10:38 pm
Let me repeat myself, as I don't think you understood what I said:
The number of carries isn't a reflection of concern for a RB health, it's a reflection of the realities of the game- it's a passing league.
Nothing in your reply has anything to do with what I stated.
The article seems to suggest that giving Josh Jacobs 18 carries a game is too much workload because it could lead to injury (hence cory's comments about being 'thin' at RB).
Your reply was that it's rare to see that many touches in today's game, which I responded has less to do with player health concerns and more to do with the pass-centric state of modern football.
You then continue to state it's rare to see a RB with 300 carries a year... Yeah, because it's modern football and it's a passing league.
LLCHESTY
October 08, 2024 at 11:14 pm
And I pointed out that 15 years ago there were less backs with 300 carries than there was last year. It hasn't become less of a passing league in those 15 years. I'd say there is some concern for giving backs 300 carries year in and year out, especially if they're talented and teams want to keep them around for a 2nd deal. There were only five teams last year that didn't have at least 400 rushing plays. Even pass heavy teams could give a RB 300 carries if they wanted to, they choose not to because history has shown them backs tend to wear down with heavy workloads.
So yes, my reply did have to do with what you stated. It is a passing league but teams could still rely heavily on one back if they choose to do so. And some of them with stud backs do use them heavily. It's one of the reasons I rank LaDainian Tomlinson a lot higher than most for all time great backs. Since 1960 only 5 RBs have had 3 or more seasons with 400+ touches. Tomlinson had 3 but also had 3 more with 390+ touches. Not only was he highly productive, he was incredibly durable.
Oppy
October 09, 2024 at 01:22 pm
Eddie George, Emmit Smith, Barry Sanders, Ricky Watters, Curtis Martin, Walter Peyton, Eric Dickerson, etc etc all posted seasons regularly that were over 300 carries, and most of these guys had 10 year long careers.
So.. again.. 18 carries a game should not be a source of worry for RB health. It is a reflection of how the game has changed more than anything else.
LLCHESTY
October 09, 2024 at 05:19 pm
How many of those guys had a majority of the career in the 2000s? One? The force of a hot increases as players get faster and they're faster than ever.
Oppy
October 09, 2024 at 06:42 pm
You don't really want to argue physics, do you? Nearly all positions in the NFL have seen the average weight decrease (exception: offensive lineman average weight is increasing) and the differences in speed are marginal. Net force is probably a wash, at best. Players today have far more administrative protections for their health built into the rules as well.
If you're trying to tell me you think players are getting hit harder in the 2020's than they were in the 1980s-90s (and earlier), you're either being dishonest or you're to young to have watched football from that time period.
Leatherhead
October 09, 2024 at 07:22 pm
""You don't really want to argue physics, do you?""
Fighting words, no doubt. But seriously, my position on this is unchanged---it's the helmet. It's a bulletproof shell and it inspires people to stick their heads into places where it doesn't belong, and it makes them reckless, particularly if they're an overamped 22 year old.
Back in the day, you could be clotheslined. You could be hit below the waist. Crackback blocks were legal. Headslaps were legal. Late hits on the QB were rarely called. There was none of this "defenseless receiver"stuff. When you got a concussion, they called it "getting your bell rung," and you sat down for a few minutes.
Oppy
October 10, 2024 at 04:26 pm
Specifically, the argument is the closed face masks.
Before they played with facemasks at all, and your face was exposed, people tended to be more careful what types of decisions they made.
Once the facemask was added, and indeed, the outlawing of the single-bar mask, and the move to more enclosed and protective masks and eyeshields, players are more apt to just run into a brick wall.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 09, 2024 at 10:00 am
I want to hear what #8 says about his workload, and how that impacts his potential effectiveness in a "deep playoff run."
Coldworld
October 08, 2024 at 06:56 am
I’m not sure I follow the Love not moving theme. He’s just come back from a knee and he did scramble for 12 and looked willing to move to me. I don’t see as much designed rollouts it is true.
stockholder
October 08, 2024 at 07:00 am
This should not be a team Luck.
Gute just gave Love 55 mil.
Yet- what were getting
is a college qb from Utah.
Put Blame on the drops all you want.
But Love didn't do his due diligence
this pre-season.
He worried more about getting hurt
then working with his offense.
And so it will go.
The flashes will continue.
And unless he takes care of the ball.
Were going to be in the cellar.
LambeauPlain
October 08, 2024 at 08:27 am
"Were going to be in the cellar."
What is this "were" stuff, Kemosabi? I think you mean "we" as in us...FYI, I will not be joining you in your hole of negativity.
stockholder
October 08, 2024 at 06:28 pm
MLF made some comments about Love.
He gets it!
LLCHESTY
October 08, 2024 at 11:35 pm
I think he meant we're, he just doesn't have a great command of English.
TXCHEESE
October 08, 2024 at 08:27 am
Please tell me how you can legitimately make the statement Love didn't work on his game in the pre-season? That Utah QB was by far the best QB in the league the last half of '23. Why won't you admit he's pretty damn good, and there are very few fans yearning for AR to come back.
Love is in his second year as a starter, and just started his second game after a pretty scary knee injury. Was his pick 6 a major brain fart? Hell yes. But look at how he responded. Took the team down the field for the FG before half, and then turned 2 turnovers in to 14 points. Did he do this all himself? No, 10 other players on the field are responsible for the success as well as the short comings. Yes, the drops are a problem, that need to be fixed by the receivers, not Love.
Love hasn't been the one committing the silly procedure penalties, that has hindered the ability to get the offense in a rhythm. They fix the penalties, they fix a big part of the inconsistencies with the offense.
stockholder
October 08, 2024 at 11:12 am
You guys just need to open your eyes.
He's got a QB Rating of 46.
He had 3 Ints against the vikings.
And the worst pick 6 ever in the NFL now.
Rodgers is gone.
You compared him to him.
Yes -the comparison is 55mil now.
But stop blaming the OL, when No changes were made.
Love has to elevate his game.
He should be able to hit a guy in the numbers
after his big take -over. .
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 11:42 am
I can't believe you fancy yourself a draftnik.
You have zero eye for talent.
stockholder
October 08, 2024 at 01:55 pm
You need to come to your senses.
I'm not into playing that game.
jannesbjornson
October 08, 2024 at 12:49 pm
Rodgers tossed three in Londinium Sunday mourning, coming down and cannot escape the rush any longer with his forty year old legs. The Pack O line is doing Love, no favors. Who are you pining for, Runyan, Nijman, or Newman?
Untylu1968
October 08, 2024 at 08:35 am
Maybe the Jets would be willing to trade Rodgers for Love? You could be a happy camper again..
Bitternotsour
October 08, 2024 at 10:32 am
That guy is a coach killer.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 11:44 am
I've literally been saying for about a decade, "Aaron Rodgers is the most talented coach killer I've ever seen in my life."
WestCoastPackerBacker
October 08, 2024 at 01:04 pm
McCarthy needed to be gone; his offense was stale and not growing. It was time to move on. And then GB brings in LaFleur and they win 13 games 3 seasons in a row. So maybe that was a GOOD thing?
As far as Saleh, he has lost a huge number of games before Aaron Rodgers ever came on the scene in NY. Hard to blame this firing on a guy that's not even played half of season for the HC.
But it's so fun and so well accepted to blame Rodgers for everything. So go for it then.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 05:44 pm
It's strange that the offense on the field after McCarthy left and MLF took over looked more like McCarthy's offense than LaFleur's.
I can lay out the dots, but I can't help you connect them. Remember when MM took away Rodgers' ability to audible / hot route / change plays at the LOS for about two games back in, I don't know, it must have been 2015/16?
That was the start of it.
One thing about having Aaron Rodgers on your roster, he puts his fingers into everything behind the scenes, but when things go wrong on the main stage, it's always someone else's fault- just ask him, he'll tell you.
stockholder
October 08, 2024 at 07:13 pm
I'm surprised you don't want
Gute to trade MLF to them.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 10:31 pm
MLF is a fine coach and a great offensive mind.
It is an absolute blessing that Gute got rid of Rodgers and we're now able to actually see MLF's impressive and creative offensive mind at work.
He was stifled far too long by Rodgers' unwillingness to accept coaching and run LaFleur's offense.
Bitternotsour
October 08, 2024 at 11:42 pm
it must be hard for you when everything everyone has been telling you about Rodgers turns out to be fact. It's as though everything you ever thought true is suddenly false.
Gutekunst cut out a malignant cancer from the core of the green bay packers. One day you'll understand (or maybe not). Rodgers is 40+ years old and he's less than bang fucking average at his current best. Coach killer, cancer, narcissistic fool.
stockholder
October 09, 2024 at 05:03 am
Rodgers was the packers player Rep.
It's easier to hate a Boss, then be a suck ass.
George Blanda played till he was 50.
You guys just need to get a grip.
Oppy
October 09, 2024 at 01:26 pm
Send me the photo of you in your Jets / Rodgers jersey holding a copy of Rodgers' 2034 regular season stats in hand.
I'm dying to see that snap shot.
jannesbjornson
October 08, 2024 at 09:55 am
Three Big drops prevented the chains from moving and Wicks failure to bring in a perfect toss to seal the game shows he's not the guy. Missed blocks put pressure in his grill and Kraft has to continue to face up the DB and move to the sideline on the pick six, then there is no question of a throw away without penalty.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 11:40 am
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dblbogey
October 08, 2024 at 12:50 pm
Derp.
Since'61
October 08, 2024 at 07:44 am
It's still early in the season. This is a young team that was missing two of its best WRs on offense. The Packers will improve as the season continues and the consistency will come. Narveson is a good example of how this team can turn around quickly and that the NFL is a week to week league. Bring on the Cardinals. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61
Starrbrite
October 08, 2024 at 02:12 pm
‘61–Exactly what I believe.
Since'61
October 08, 2024 at 04:38 pm
time for patience and one game at a time. Thanks, Since '61
canadapacker
October 08, 2024 at 03:26 pm
Bbbutt please dont bring up Narveson as a guy over the rookie /pressure thingy - one field goal does not a season make - it makes a one average length field goal and 3 XP - should be considered normal - not over any hump - and definitely not sonething to stop worrying about. I am more concerned about Wicks's drops - those are not only drive killers - but they turn the games around especially early in games when our D is not playing well.
bjkdad44
October 08, 2024 at 03:44 pm
I upvoted you because of the last part of your statement… not the Naversome nonsense!
canadapacker
October 08, 2024 at 09:39 pm
Well - I hope that you are correct - but until he makes a few longer ones and until he makes the game winner - IMO the jury is still out on the field goal side.
bjkdad44
October 08, 2024 at 03:45 pm
Naverson… sorry
bjkdad44
October 08, 2024 at 03:43 pm
🙏🏻🤞🏻🙏🏻… hope you’re right!
Strat
October 08, 2024 at 04:33 pm
He made one FG.
RCPackerFan
October 08, 2024 at 07:52 am
It is tough get consistent when nothing about this season has been consistent so far.
The first game is always a mess, no matter how you look at it. No one knows what to expect that first game. Also it was in Brazil which was a slip and slide field.
The next 2 games they played with a backup QB.
And the next game they get Love back who was clearly rusty and not fully healthy. And before they knew it they were down by 28 points.
And then this game they are without Watson, Doubs, Musgrave.
To gain consistency they need to get their full group on the field together. That is when they can start finding consistency.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 09, 2024 at 10:14 am
They can become consistent even without these offensive weapons, and have to in order to have a winning season. Without Ja? That calculation might change, I hope we don't find out.
GPG!
LeotisHarris
October 08, 2024 at 08:31 am
I think if we're honest, we're all a little bit miffed about our usage and tentative to be as nimble as we were last year.
It's tough to see a "plethora" dangling out there without the obligatory "aforementioned" to complete it. Otherwise, unless something changes everything will remain the same, pretty much.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 09, 2024 at 10:16 am
+1 to the aforementioned plethora.
Now we need a boondoggle.
LambeauPlain
October 08, 2024 at 09:11 am
Another impetuous snapshot report of the Packers from Cory. There is always context to any current situation and Love's slower start vs his faster finish last season requires it.
For example, subtitle for the article: "Jordan Love has to sense and evade pressure if the Packers offense is going function".
Love was sacked 2 times vs the Eagles, 1 time by the Vikings, 2 times vs the Rams...during 106 passing attempts. 54 attempts vs the Brian Flores blitz brigade alone, knowing the Packers were going to pass, down 28 points. Context.
Also: "he has been tentative to be as nimble as he was last year."
Was Love more nimble returning from his MCL injury last season? Was he "tentative" sprinting over 10 yards for the Packers first 1st down Sunday? That was rather nimble. Context.
And this: "It is a little weird that the Packers’ starting quarterback is 1-2 and the backup is 2-0."
Love's two losses came from teams with a combined 7-2 record, while recovering from the MCL. Willis did a fine Job earning two wins from teams with a 3-6 record. Context. Where is the weird?
Tying Love's 1-2 record to being tentative, less nimble, unable to evade pressure is not borne by context and facts.
Leatherhead
October 08, 2024 at 10:26 am
Facts will get you downvoted here.
Didn't he have a 4 TD, 400 yard game against the league's only undefeated team, while shaking off the rust of the injury AND no offseason?
All facts, and yes, downvoted.
dblbogey
October 08, 2024 at 12:54 pm
I usually just skip Cory's Corner.
crayzpackfan
October 08, 2024 at 09:25 am
Looks like Rodgers just got his HC fired this morning.
jannesbjornson
October 08, 2024 at 10:03 am
He was the Messenger for the Guru to get the Jets gig, then the coach was turned into a pumpkin in this fairy tale.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 09, 2024 at 10:18 am
There are no glass slippers in football, lol
Leatherhead
October 08, 2024 at 10:31 am
I don't think Lombardi could coach the Jets to victory. Mostly because he's dead, but also because the Jets just wake up in the morning wondering what goofy thing they could do next.
"Hey, let's get this 40 year old QB".
"Hey, let's surround him with his old buddies"
"Hey, let's have no plan for if this 40year old QB gets hurt"
"Hey, let's blame the coach and start over"
My son has a friend who is a diehard Jets fan. A good guy, a smart guy, who bets on football regularly and wins his share, but when we traded Rodgers to the Jets, he actually got a little upset that I was celebrating. He got a little more upset when I called him after Rodgers got injured. But anybody who thought this was going to work was smoking better stuff than I ever got ahold of.
Bitternotsour
October 08, 2024 at 10:37 am
To be fair, it's all better stuff than what you got hold of, I assure you. Genetics and plant science.
This does not excuse Woody Johnson, inheritor. That guy is just a moron.
Leatherhead
October 08, 2024 at 01:03 pm
Actually, he should make boner pills and call them Woody Johnsons
PackAttackJack
October 08, 2024 at 11:24 am
How many players can say they got two head coaches fired midseason?
GregC
October 08, 2024 at 11:31 am
Coach killer. Woody Johnson must have discussed this move with Rodgers. Hard to see him firing the coach against Rodgers' wishes.
13TimeChamps
October 08, 2024 at 12:01 pm
It's almost surprising they didn't elevate Rodgers to player/OC (which he kind of is anyway), and Hackett interim HC, so the Rodgers takeover of the franchise is finally complete.
crayzpackfan
October 08, 2024 at 04:09 pm
Reports are that he did talk to Rodgers first.
WestCoastPackerBacker
October 08, 2024 at 11:53 am
Oh I think Saleh did plenty on his own. It's his team and he's gone 20-36 which is one of the worst HC records. Very little of that was with Rodgers.
LeotisHarris
October 08, 2024 at 01:28 pm
JFC, the Jet's Head of Security escorted Saleh out of the building.
Former Jet's HC Eric Mangini suggested Woody Johnson, former US Ambassador to the UK, was embarrassed in front of his buddies on Sunday. Talk about a dumpster fire!
Have to wonder why didn't they hand the interim duties to Hackett, then hire someone to help him with game management
LLCHESTY
October 08, 2024 at 01:59 pm
Uhh, because we've all seen the Hackett as HC experiment went and it wasn't real successful.
I can't link because this site has issues but:
"Since the 2021 season, Robert Saleh's first in New York, the Jets defense is
1st in points per drive
1st in EPA per play
3rd in success rate
...despite playing the fourth-most snaps over that stretch."
Maybe Hackett was the one that should have met an end like Tommy in Goodfellas this morning but a certain QB said no.
LeotisHarris
October 08, 2024 at 06:31 pm
Didn't use the sarcasm font in my post, LL. I was referencing what happened with Hackett in Denver. Clock management had him in a headlock so they hired a chaperone for him.
RCPackerFan
October 08, 2024 at 09:29 am
Time to bring in Saleh to GB in some sort of way. Saleh was LaFleur's best man in his wedding. He worked with Hafley in San Fran. This moves seems very logical.
LambeauPlain
October 08, 2024 at 09:37 am
It would be a win win. Saleh could be a D "consultant" to assist, especially with the front 7 while he awaits a new HC or DC gig in 2025.
These temporary consultant hires happen all the time.
crayzpackfan
October 08, 2024 at 10:07 am
I don't think he was the issue for the Jets. It's Rodgers age, who is stuck in his ways while refusing to run a more modern offense along with the dead weight of Hackett. I would love to see him brought into GB. He could replace our other assistant HC and then be our DC next year making our current DC a stop gap. Get a good draft in 25 and sign a stud edge player and CB and it's go time.
NFLfan
October 08, 2024 at 11:19 am
@LP, I would be 100% behind that idea.
NFLfan
October 08, 2024 at 11:42 am
Rashan Gary could benefit from some 'All Gas, No Brakes' expectations.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 11:50 am
It's almost like you heard John Kuhn suggest such a thing ;)
Leatherhead
October 08, 2024 at 10:32 am
He's been infected with the Jets virus, and I wouldn't want him to bring it to Green Bay.
LambeauPlain
October 08, 2024 at 11:45 am
The Defensive minded HC infected the Jets with some excellent defense, LH. But you enjoyed the "Barry virus"?
Saleh and Hafley coached together in SF for the 2018 season...Hafley DBs, Saleh LBs. They obviously know each other well. And Matt is one of his best friends.
I think Hafley would enjoy the consultation for the rest of the season.
Leatherhead
October 08, 2024 at 12:01 pm
I enjoyed having a defense that gave up fewer points than most other teams. It was nice to know that if we scored 24 points, it was probably going to be enough to win.
crayzpackfan
October 08, 2024 at 12:40 pm
I prefer defenses that are mean and fuck people up and dominate.
Starrbrite
October 08, 2024 at 02:15 pm
His defensive coaching skills are not in question…and he’ll be super motivated to prove his talent.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 09, 2024 at 10:24 am
Saleh is taking the rest of the year off.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 11:53 am
If I worked inside the walls of 1265, I would pay Saleh $2M just to hang out for the rest of the season and share stories during lunch breaks about how big of a dick-bag Rodgers was in NY
NFLfan
October 08, 2024 at 01:23 pm
@OP-
I bet he and Matt are burning up the phone lines.
BTW-I'll contribute to the $2M fund.
Rodgers openly and regularly undermined Saleh--I'm actually relieved Saleh got out of there though he was humiliated once again.
Starrbrite
October 08, 2024 at 02:12 pm
Agree.
TXCHEESE
October 08, 2024 at 04:15 pm
If I'm Saleh, I'm taking the rest of the year off and collecting my check from the Jets. Then look at jobs in the offseason.
NFLfan
October 08, 2024 at 08:06 pm
That's exactly what Saleh (thru media) said he was planning to do.
I live in the Bay Area and 9er fans are agitating to get him back.
CanPackFan
October 08, 2024 at 10:02 am
IMHO, Love still looks rusty. I think it's no coincidence that he looks far better in the 2nd half. And yes, I think not having Watson and Doubs does make his job harder. Let's hope that the more reps he gets, the more consistent he will be. GPG
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 11:56 am
Here's a little insider information:
Love has always looked rusty in the first quarter to half of nearly every game he's played. As a general rule, he's a slow starter. Tends to throw high and wide for his first few drives.
Go back and watch last year's game tape- even the last 10 games. Very rare to find a game where he doesn't have accuracy issues during his first many drives. It takes him a while to settle in.
It needs to be corrected, but for now.. that's just part of the deal.
LambeauPlain
October 08, 2024 at 10:17 am
Woody and the Jets fired Saleh, who hired Hackett after Rodger's usual meddling insistence.
The Jets OFFENSE is the major contributor for their 2-3 record, not the Defense, that has the defense minded HC's fingerprints all over it...and has played very well this season.
The last time an NFL HC got fired after 5 games was Rhule...in 2022 after going 1-4 with the Panthers. Their dysfunction is even worse today. Maybe the problem is not head coaching, eh Woody?
Regardless, the wrong Jets coach got fired. But what would Rodgers say, and worse...do? Can't fire Aaron.
So happy Rodgers is plying his talents with the Jets! Meanwhile, in Titletown, we have to contend with questions about nimbleness, some drops by a young WR, and the bruised ego of another.
WestCoastPackerBacker
October 08, 2024 at 12:00 pm
To be fair:
First, Saleh has lost a TON of games as a HC before Rodgers was ever on scene and he lost plenty last year after Rodgers went down. He wasn't able to put the team together after that and make them competitive at all.
Second, on the meddling claim:
The Broncos ran the offense Manning wanted when he went to DEN
The Bucs ran the offense Brady wanted when he went to TB
Hall of Fame QBs have often called the shots on both personnel (Brady got Gronk and others in TB) and offense. And why not? They know as much or more offense as any OC or HC in the league after close to 2 decades at the position. Rodgers isn't some outlier making inroads into areas QBs never venture. This is not unusual. It worked for Brady in TB and just barely worked for Manning in DEN, though by that time he could barely throw.
It's just "meddling" because it's not working in NYJ. And you can hate on Rodgers and Hackett but nothing can take away the success they have already had together, including two MVP seasons in GB. There's something not working for the Jets and maybe the change at HC will make a difference. Maybe not.
GregC
October 08, 2024 at 12:28 pm
That's a fair point. John Elway did the same thing as Denver QB when they fired Dan Reeves and hired Mike Shanahan. They went on to win two Super Bowls. When it works, it's fine. When it doesn't work, it's ugly.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 05:16 pm
It's "meddling" @ the NYJ because Tom Brady and Peyton Manning worked -with- their coaches, and Rodgers just does his thing -despite- his coaches. He works -around- his coaches. He -bypasses- his coaches.
Hiring your OC based on trying to lure a QB? Cobb and Lazard are no Gronk- and Lazard was a healthy scratch for two games at the end of last year.
This offense is a product of letting Rodgers run the show. What's broken in NY? The offense. What's good in NY? The defense. Who's fired? The defensive minded HC. After a 2-3 start? Where they're still only a game out of leading the division? That's crazy.
Perhaps the reason Rodgers and Hackett had 2 MVP seasons was the same reason he was so unhappy in Green Bay at the end- there was still at least a speck of resistance from the coaching staff and front office in GB holding Rodgers to a smidgen of accountability.
Rodgers is every bit as talented (if not more) than Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but he's is not cut of the same cloth as those two QBs. Rodgers is absolutely an outlier, and it's a shame. The difference is his sheer hubris.
The most talented coach killer I've ever seen play QB in the NFL.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 09, 2024 at 10:46 am
Sure, Peyton Manning could barely throw his way to a SB win.
NFLfan
October 08, 2024 at 11:00 am
Rodgers and Hackett have irreparably compromised an already unstable Offense w/the insistence on antiquated, predictable play-calling which is easy to read and dismantle. IMO, Rodgers and Woody stripped Saleh of his authority months ago.
Rodgers and Woody needed a Fall Guy. Why would Davante want to play for that sinking ship?
crayzpackfan
October 08, 2024 at 11:17 am
I agree 100% with this take.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 05:23 pm
It's the exact thing that (almost) took place in Green Bay.
The difference is, while Rodgers was bending Murphy's ear, subverting MLF's coaching and influencing roster management, there was a brave Brian Gutekunst who stood his ground, and stood up to say "this is crazy".. and we're lucky Murphy finally woke up in the final hour to see.
Bitternotsour
October 08, 2024 at 06:05 pm
I don't think he was trying to undermine LaFleur, he was after Gutekunst. The best man won.
Rodgers is a joke, and the NY Jets just became the punchline.
I saw something in the Washington Post that Saleh was about to fire Hackett, and that he was let go as a result.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 10:48 pm
How is it not undermining the HC when you don't run his offense and literally tell the receivers to ignore the techniques their position coaches are teaching them and just do it "my way" or else they won't get the ball thrown to them?
How is it not undermining the coach when the media asks the QB directly if he's supposed to get the ball out faster and the QB tells them there's no problems with tempo whatsoever.. while the HC is asked the same question and tells the media bluntly that the ball isn't getting out fast enough and it needs to improve?
So many examples of Rodgers undermining his coach, we could go back a decade and there's plenty of examples.
Rodgers definitely was gunning for Gutekunst, though, no question. That's because Gutekunst wouldn't stand for it.
Bitternotsour
October 08, 2024 at 11:35 pm
Yes. He was uncoachable. He knew better about everything, from the offense, to the personnel, to the salary cap, hell, to virology. He did his "own research", and he always knew better. Rodgers fooled so many. I was so used to his narcissistic approach to everything that I didn't really consider his relationship to LaFleur undermining, because LaFleur was complicit in it. He ceded the floor to that megalomaniac and I'm not 100% sure LaFleur has really reclaimed his status as the leader.
NFLfan
October 08, 2024 at 11:17 am
Re: the Offense and Jordan Love, Romeo Doubs, I have little concern. The first week consisted of play on a Vaseline-greasy field,
jet lag, a hotel 2 hours away through humidity, first game jitters. Then Jordan sustains an MCL sprain which I feel non-medical
fans minimize. When a QB can't generate necessary power from a compromised leg, he will rely on his arm and upper body which result in inaccuracy and lack of zip.
He may be trying to regain ground by gunslinging a bit too much, But, he'll settle down. Romeo Doubs will be ok too. He might have family/frends who were behind some of this. WR's as a group, seem to be going through an entitled, 'me-first' stretch that I hope doesn't remain.
I am more concerned about our reliance on 'takeaway' Defense and looking the other way re: the Pass Rush.
WestCoastPackerBacker
October 08, 2024 at 12:05 pm
I like your take on this. It's a long season and they're not in bad shape given what has happened so far:
Starting QB missing 2 games and staying competitive
Starting QB getting his legs back (literally and figuratively)
Two most experienced WRs missing time
All-Pro CB missing time
New DC and rookies on defense
Things could be much worse than they are in GB. I like that Jordan plays better in the 2nd half than in the first half. And last year, the whole season reflected growth. We can hope they get around the penalty problem, Love can get some consistency and they can get their top players back.
Meanwhile, they've held it together really well for what they've gone through. They almost came back in the 4th quarter and beat the team that is 5-0 now. If they had pulled that off, GB would be 4-1 and tied for the division lead. That's not a bad start for what is again the youngest team in the league. There's plenty of growth ahead and plenty of growth necessary if they are going to be competitive against the top teams. But they are in the race and that counts for something.
TheBigCat
October 08, 2024 at 11:45 am
I think MLF should be dialing up plays that have a high-percentage of success for Love; throwing into triple coverage (though game-changing when completed) are not. And that also means identifying an opponent's weakness and exploiting it.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 12:00 pm
Wait, are you implying you think the play call was designed to throw the ball to a WR in triple coverage?
Leatherhead
October 08, 2024 at 12:57 pm
I think the play was designed for Love to throw it towards the pylon, near the goal line, in that corner of the field. Reed got there before anybody else. The guy guarding him was on him like ugly on an ape, but he couldn't make a play on the ball. The safety got over there in time to make a play but didn't make it. The third guy was a linebacker who lumbered up the field after the catch and was not a factor.
I think it was a low percentage play, but that Love/Reed pulled it off. This Packer team is going to throw deep on people, and sometimes it's not going to work, but this time it did. Reed is really good.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 05:30 pm
That's not what Kurt Benkert's dissection of the play looked like at all.
For what it's worth, every given play has a primary target or intent, but the entire reason there are other options on the field is exactly that- they're options to take if the defense takes away the primary.
Never in a million years will that throw into triple coverage be graded as the right decision in the film room. There is no play in an NFL playbook where the intent is, "Yeah, this route might be in double or triple coverage, but just go ahead and stick it in there anyways."
Leatherhead
October 08, 2024 at 06:20 pm
Not triple coverage. Single coverage with safety help who came over after the throw . I already said it was a low percentage Play.. Not nearly as bad as the decision to throw it up for grabs instead of getting sacked for a safety.
Taking a bold shot early in the game isn’t a cardinal sin. Our best two players combined for a big play.
Oppy
October 08, 2024 at 10:55 pm
Taking a deep shot and giving a receiver a 50/50 ball is not the same as making a throw into double or triple coverage. Yes, Triple. You have to account for a safety showing up over the top. There were three defenders triangulating on Reed.
Not sure why you're trying to put words into my mouth- I have no issues with taking a deep shot. For a guy who used to coach football, I'm not sure how you don't understand that taking a deep shot doesn't mean throw the ball no matter what the coverage looks like.
It was a fantastic throw and the receiver hauled it in, in stride. Ice cream sundaes for everyone. It was also a horrible decision to throw that ball and it shouldn't happen.
cdoemel
October 08, 2024 at 03:14 pm
Come on! You can’t blame LaFleur for that!! He even said afterwords he was, “No, No, No …Yes!” When you gotta find fault in LaFleur with something that convoluted you’re stretching. Because if Wicks was triple teamed there had to be someone else open, or coming open. Lucky he caught it or Love would have been blasted for making that throw.
cdoemel
October 08, 2024 at 03:16 pm
Reed, not Wicks.
Matt
October 08, 2024 at 01:20 pm
Before the season I said Wilson is NFL ready. We all know he also looks ready to take more snaps if Jacobs will need him to. So far there is no such need, especially for a guy born as a workhorse, strong and durable. Don't forget that at some point Lloyd will also come back. I hope.
Strat
October 08, 2024 at 04:46 pm
They're not inconsistent they're "rusty." The new, manufactured buzzword/excuse that will probably be around until week 12 or so.
Starrbrite
October 08, 2024 at 11:31 pm
GregC—exactly how I remember it.
cdoemel
October 09, 2024 at 03:14 am
I’m not usually a fan of the constant negativity from this dude, but there’s no denying that Love’s recklessness with the ball goes back a ways now. It’s cost us games. Combine that with penalties and bad drops, things just really need to tighten up.
Booner
October 10, 2024 at 04:29 pm
Love needs to play a whole lot better! Not worth 55mil a year to watch what we have seen the last two games!