Cory's Corner: Value Players, Not Picks

The Rasul Douglas trade highlights a longstanding Packers philosophy that needs to change. 

I have heard numerous justifications about why the Packers made the Rasul Douglas trade. 

I don’t want to hear them. And the reason is because the Packers defense got worse. Douglas has been the most consistent defensive back this year — and one of the most consistent Packers in a season that has been about as clunky as possible. 

Dating back to the days of the late Ted Thompson, Packers draft picks have been valued more than gold. And that’s why many have thought that getting back a third rounder for a player that Green Bay signed from the Cardinals practice squad was a great value. Who cares? Douglas is valuable now. 

On the surface it looked OK, but in the NFL, you spend so much time and money mining talent that you have to find a way to keep the top talent. 

The Packers have sunk to a 2-5 record after losing four straight. The Packers traded away one of their best defensive players and are hoping to keep the secondary intact with duct tape and chicken wire. The supposed shutdown corner in Jaire Alexander has been missing in action this year by being ranked fifth among Packers defensive backs in pass coverage according to Pro Football Focus. 

Now I think the Packers should have made some moves at the trade deadline. Maybe Elgton Jenkins, Romeo Doubs, Christian Watson or Preston Smith. If the Packers are really interested in building for the future, then they needed to make more than one move. 

The Rams are one of the upper tier passing teams in the league – and that’s with Matthew Stafford throwing seven picks and completing only 59.7 percent of his passes. Puka Nacua, Cooper Kupp and Tutu Atwell have played at least 30 percent of the Rams offensive snaps in the slot or wide. Even if Stafford’s thumb isn’t ready to go on Sunday, the Packers are going to have their hands full on defense guarding that trio. 

The frustrating thing is, we still don’t know who the Packers are. We are seven games in and I’m still not sure what the Packers hang their hat on when they have the ball. Coming into the season, it was supposed to be easy. Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon were supposed to do the heavy lifting, but thanks to Jones’ pesky hamstring injury, the running game hasn’t been able to set any personal records. 

You don’t truly know and understand something until it goes through adversity. The Packers are in the middle of a hurricane right now and many have already written them off. Many don’t think the Packers can win six games. If Jordan Love can get some help at offensive line and wide receiver, this team can win some games because the combined record for Green Bay’s remaining opponents is 35-42 — and that includes games against the Lions and Chiefs who are both 6-2.

But it’s not going to be easy after trading away the team’s best defensive back. 
 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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jvole's picture

November 04, 2023 at 06:21 am

Rather than getting picks, the speculation that Douglas was traded because he spoke uncomfortable truths about the team's coaching (and maybe management) rings true to me. Preston Smith for a trade made way more sense than Douglas. But here we are.....

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Since'75's picture

November 04, 2023 at 07:28 am

^THAT^

I also got the feeling that Rasul was traded because he didn't Carry the G.

I'll also 2nd the Preston Smith sentiments.
It's not that i don't think Smith is a decent football player.
But sometimes, you don't know if he's in the game because his name doesn't get called that often.
He makes a play here and there.
How they gave him that new contract, i'll never know.

I'd rather see Van Ness starting.
We've seen enough first round picks on the bench.
I want to see the 13th overall draft pick.....starting.

Gute keeps drafting projects in the 1st round.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:01 am

Agree with pretty much everything you say Since75.

With the Packers in rebuilding mode the one guy I thought should have been on the trading block was Preston. While i liked Rasul who was a good DB he was not a great DB. He also was 29/30 years old who never had a lot of speed, which means his play will deteriorate quickly. Let's be very clear, the Packers are in full rebuilding mode, so for me, trading guys like Rasul and Preston would have been a no brainer. The worst thing Gutey could do when rebuilding is straddle the boat and dock with one foot on the dock, while the other foot is on the boat (happened to my wife one time and the outcome did not end well). I do not really care what the Packers win/loss record during the rebuilding as it is meaningless, as my only concerns are whether the Packer youth are gaining quality experience, and whether the team is improving. Players at the ages of Rasul and Preston will no longer be on the team when the Packers are once again feared in the NFL (my prediction is 2025), so trade them now for young talent with the hopes Gutey hit on these new players.

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jont's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:20 am

"I do not really care what the Packers win/loss record is during the rebuilding, as my only concern are whether they are getting experience, and whether the team is improving."

I'm with you, buddy. Of course we want them to win but this year's team is what it is. As fans we've got to have at least somewhat realistic expectations, and at this point that means four quarters of decent football out of this offense. No one should expect them to run up and down the field, but every pro offense should get a few 1st downs and have a couple scoring opportunities in the first half.

Wow. I just re-read that last sentence. Talk about setting the bar low.

Let me put it this way. This season we're supposed to see what we've got, and to do this they've got to be consistent. Nobody can evaluate this team if all they do is take turns screwing up plays. As it is now, we are frustrated not just by poor performance but also by performances so messy they're hard to watch at all.

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Since'75's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:32 am

I can respect what you're saying Knock.....

To a point.....the record is meaningless.
But at the same time. you'd like to see progression, and we aren't seeing it.

If we trade up for, and draft a QB in the first round, then groom him for 3 years, we want to see some progression in results at some point, or (flashes) and minimal bad throws, bad decisions.

He looked decent against the Bears and Falcons, but as i said at the time, we can't play defenses that are that bad 17 times a season.

I'm not as worried about the defense as much as the offense, the offense has no identity whatsoever, and MLF was sold to us as an offensive play calling guru.

Nobody expected a great record, i think fans just want to see enough growth to give them hope for the next year or two.
I just don't see it.

Maybe if Gute had some experienced pass catchers, but he thinks young and inexperienced is the way to go.

Well, Gutes the expert......i guess.

BTW...Without Stafford, i see a Packer win.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:40 am

Douglas should have been in the Safety position, directing Barry's zone scheme. He is a guy who hits and plays to the ball. He was moved because he called out the Silage Committee and the Losing. A three pick is like the poison pill with Gutedkunst conjuring the selection. We are hoping Kraft will break the tablet of whiffs. The only Rebuild that needs to occur is in the Front Office. Move the collective out the back door and Start Over.

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Since'75's picture

November 05, 2023 at 10:15 am

^THAT^

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:55 pm

Basically, yes; with the caveat that a rookie third rounder will never replace Rasul Douglas. So that's a loss for the remaining 10 games, AND next year. AND the loss of a fifth round pick.

This tells me Gutey has to go, and should be nowhere near another draft pick decision. Not to mention it also means he knows 0 about human nature, and the effect this will have on the players. Then look how he handled it with Rasul and you see why GB has never made it back to a SB.

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Packerpasty's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:25 am

speaking about Van Ness....what has he brought to the table for such a high pick?? Also a bit of a head scratcher at draft time....seems he should be showing a little more even though a rook......

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:42 am

Ask Broderick Jones. He's kicking ass and taking names for the Steelers, along with Keeanu Benton, another Badger.

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CanPackFan's picture

November 04, 2023 at 11:46 am

Hey Pasty, remember that he is being "mentored" and having his playing time dictated by Barry. Joe probably has him covering WRs in practice? Seriously, I question the teaching that young players get on this team - or lack thereof.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:56 pm

LVN needs to be taught, coached, developed. We're seeing that this organization doesn't do that.

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Since'75's picture

November 05, 2023 at 01:34 am

Gute is outsmarting all the other GM's with Van Ness, just like he did with Jordan Love.

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Turophile's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:07 am

This pre-supposes Rasul was offered as a potential trade, but Gute said they hadn't sought a trade, but were offered enough to make it attractive.

So, which is true ? Sometimes people just guess at a situation because it fits their narrative. If anyone has way to confirm Rasul was traded because the team was uncomfortable with what he was saying, speak out. I think it is just guesswork that fits a belief, without any real proof.

I can see why the trade was made. Was it the right deal to take ? No idea, but it was shaping to be a bad year before the Rasul trade and is little different now.

PS Just did a PFN mock draft where the first three picks were Joe Alt (OT Notre Dame), Cooper Beebe (OG K. State) and Cedric Van Pran (C Georgia). Now THAT is what I call a re-make of the Packers O line.
Best (or second best depending on how you score it) OT, best OG and best C in the draft.

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dobber's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:34 am

There are several narratives. Some say this happened late and came together at the last minute...I've also heard that trade talks with Buffalo kicked around for a week or so until the Bills agreed to a third. Could be shades of the same story.

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baldski's picture

November 04, 2023 at 03:43 pm

The Bills struck pay dirt when they got Micah Hyde. Rinse and Repeat with Rasul?

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Since'75's picture

November 05, 2023 at 01:37 am

I think in week 8, if Packer fans start looking at mock drafts for 2024, the Packers are probably in deep chit...lol

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dblbogey's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:38 am

"Now I think the Packers should have made some moves at the trade deadline. Maybe Elgton Jenkins, Romeo Doubs, Christian Watson..."

I thought this was going to be the first time I've ever agreed with a Cory article, until I got to this.

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fireball's picture

November 04, 2023 at 06:23 am

Again, another one pissing and moaning about the Douglas trade. Jesus.

Enjoy being in the middle of a hurricane. Enjoy the tempest, Be glad that you have a hurricane to be in the middle of.

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Since'75's picture

November 04, 2023 at 07:37 am

Well......

Be glad we get to participate? WOW...lol

Apparently the standard in Green Bay has diminished.

Here's what i'm seeing.....
We still have some Gute(y) fans who get butt hurt when he gets criticized.
But....that number is slowly diminishing each week as fans get a better feel about where this team is, when Rodgers is no longer around to blame.
Without Rodgers here and the losses piling up....some accountability is happening, and it isn't enjoyable for those having to look in the mirror.

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Since'75's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:19 am

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barutanseijin's picture

November 04, 2023 at 11:34 am

You got at least one downvote for your unpleasant tone and lack of humility. Yes, NFL staff are often mediocrities. So are fans. Shouty internet guys would probably run teams like Matt Millen or Ditka in New Orleans.

Aside from that, you seem to be confused about the role of fans. Fans are spectators. They shout and yell or sit quietly and observe. They don’t make decisions for the team even if some like to pretend they do. Fan “accountability “ means nothing .

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Packerpasty's picture

November 04, 2023 at 12:09 pm

No shit??? Tell me it aint so,,,you mean Packer management doesn't read this website and make decisions based on what us people want them to do??/ Well that ruins everything...no fun if I cant be of assistance to Gute and Murph...

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Since'75's picture

November 05, 2023 at 01:24 am

Interesting barutanseijin.....

"They (fans) don’t make decisions for the team even if some like to pretend they do. Fan “accountability “ means nothing ."
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We don't make decisions, absolutely correct barutanseijin!! Good work👍
BUT...we're not allowed to comment on the teams decisions barutanseijin?
Is that YOUR rule?
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"Fan “accountability “ means nothing ."

Do you really believe that?
If so, i feel bad for you

You don't think a team should be accountable to the fans?
Are you really a Packer fan?
Did you buy any $300 Packer stock?

Ever wonder why your beer cost almost $10 at Lambeau?
Ever wonder why you have to pay $50 to park your car at Lambeau?
Want to take a family of 4 to a 3 hour Packer game? $600 plus.
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Psssttt FYI...read my comments, do you think i give a flying F about a 4th grade level downvote? 🙃

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CanPackFan's picture

November 04, 2023 at 11:48 am

I'm not sure Noah felt the same way?

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HarryHodag's picture

November 04, 2023 at 06:35 am

A contending team would not have traded Douglas. But anyone with a lick of sense sees the Packers just might be headed for a top 5 draft pick, maybe the first. Look at their schedule and tell me another team they can beat after the Rams.

That said, Douglas spoke out about the situation. In any business, think of the one you own or work at, how much do the folks at the top tolerate criticism? Even if it's justified, "malcontents" often are shipped out. Vince Lombardi is said to have traded an All-Pro at the peak of his career, center Jim Ringo, when Ringo showed up with an agent(rare at the time) and wanted more money.

So Douglas' talk likely got him out the door more than any grand strategy.

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Boneman's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:40 am

Totally agree. To people at the top, the Packers are first and foremost a business. The Douglas trade was a net asset positive and it sent a message to the troops- tow the line or you won't be a Packer. The worst thing about losing isn't actually losing, it's the finger pointing, bunker mentality and loss of trust. As a business the Packers must make overall decisions based on the business. The criticisms of Gute, MLF and Murphy are justified. They've made a lot of mistakes. This wasn't one of them.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:04 pm

No way was this "a net asset positive." A rookie third rounder will not replace Rasul Douglas. The remaining 10 games this season and all next season, Gutey made this team worse. AND lost a fifth round pick. AND hurt the morale of every player on the roster, telling them they're worthless no matter how well they play.

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stockholder's picture

November 04, 2023 at 07:26 am

As Long as Murphy condones it.
It will get worse.
Why is he Hiding under a Rock?
While his GM tears at the hearts of the loyal.
He didn’t when Rodgers had a few choice words.

The #1 job of Gute is to accumulate talent.
His focus has been on Jordan Love," w/risk."
While his Defense is rated currently at 28.
(And all those #1s and high priced players.)

Douglass was a packer type of player.
Making such horrible decisions on him, shows he’s
"Not in communication" with those around him.

The "million dollar extension” of Gary and others.
Tells us, Gute can’t handle pressure.
The pressure of wait and see.

And while he dumps salary and expects players to
Re-work their contracts. The holes never changed.

We have a poor GM. And now we have a poor team.

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Turophile's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:17 am

Your take is as good as it always is (collapses laughing).

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stockholder's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:11 am

Seriously the seed is planted in your mind
Nothing ever grows without a seed,
and nothing ever changes without a dream.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:59 am

As we know, the Cult can't handle the Truth. They babble about the Business analogy, etc. If Gutekunst was working for an Owner he would have been on the street after his first draft which yielded Jaire and maybe some contribution from MVS, a guy with 16 TDs over a 5-1/2 year period.

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White92's picture

November 05, 2023 at 01:35 pm

He did something in his first draft which has probably never been done in the modern draft. He took a punter AND a long snapper. He should have been on a short leash after that fiasco. As it has been pointed out, they are now suffering from those first drafts.

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Packers0808's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:01 am

Getting rid of Douglas at this point is an even more crazy move by Gute than it was for him to move up spots to get Love who even in college showed he was as inaccurate as the winds change. Love is no more the answer at QB in GB than Rubley was if you remember him and not following instructions and threw an interception and wasn't even allowed to travel home with team from the away game. had to find his way back! Ah those were the days of real football and not flag football!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:09 am

I unfortunately I was at the game Rubley threw that game killing interception. Bad memories all around, however I have never heard that he wasn't allowed to travel home with the team from the game. Is this true? Can anyone else collaborate? Would seem to be an NFL Player Union concern if true.

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Packers0808's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:37 am

Look up "Flashback to Minnesota 1995". The story is there. I have been a Packer fan since 1958 and that is one of the most hilarious stories I have ever heard about the franchise! I am assuming it is correct from what I had heard and then later read!

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Packerpasty's picture

November 04, 2023 at 12:17 pm

I remember that game and incident but I think there may have been more to it...maybe not though...

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:09 pm

This is something Buddy Rich would do. He would curse out his band, screaming at them, and tell them one wrong note and they'd be fired on the spot and kicked off the bus, meaning they're left stranded wherever they happened to be.

This did not help him get the best band possible.

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Packers0808's picture

November 05, 2023 at 11:19 am

Thumbs down for a true story. Poor some people are really ignorant!

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Lambeau_Leo's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:06 am

Totally agree that the defense at this moment got worse, but I see this as a 3 year plan and Douglas wasn’t gonna be on the roster next year anyway (just my opinion with the cap hit) and we never know who we are gonna get for that 3rd round pick. The draft is such a crap shoot anyway, probably just as many busts as quality players. I think we got Clay Matthews in the second or third for the Favre to the Jets pick, so you never know. Either way your up Valentine!!

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Since'75's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:10 am

Gutes drafting history on 3rd round picks might give a clue on what we'd get....

He's batting .000 on 3rd round picks.

You'd think just on the law of averages, he'd find a good player in the 3rd round, once...lol, right?

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dblbogey's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:42 am

It's not all Gute. Our last good 3rd round pick was Morgan Burnett in 2010.

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Since'75's picture

November 04, 2023 at 11:39 pm

Well...the last 6 drafts were Gute.

When he can find us another Aaron Jones in the 5th round, or he can find us a bunch of Pro Bowl lineman in the 4th and 5th rounds......

Then i'll start to give Gute some slack.

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calabasa's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:46 am

We traded back into the first round for Clay @ #25

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dblbogey's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:41 am

Um, Clay Mathews was a 1st round pick.

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Since'75's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:06 am

From where i'm standing, Murphy is a coward.

As far as Murphy making himself the last word and final decision over Football Operations back in 2018, i find him way in over his head and out of his lane.
Before he anointed himself the Grand Master of Football, he had zero football operation experience, but now he's an expert?

Well....the results would tell us otherwise.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:12 am

Kind of like politics with every newbie elected to Congress, or POTUS! Yikes!

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CanPackFan's picture

November 04, 2023 at 12:01 pm

Hey 75, isn't it ridiculous how easily one man can have such influence over a board of 40 people? But this is one of the characteristics of a public, NFP company. Board members don't get paid, outside of the Great Murphy. And when they know less about football than Murphy, this is what we get as a result.

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Since'75's picture

November 04, 2023 at 11:52 pm

Yea PackFan, i hear that.

It's seems to me, that in a small town, i can understand how it's a status symbol in Green Bay to be on the 45 member BOD's
Not to mention the social and business advantages of it.
That doesn't mean i like it.
I think 45 members is a bit excessive.
That's where it reminds me more of a 'Club' than a useful tool.
The 7 Member Executive Committee should be enough to make final business decisions, and oversee the President.

I like to see people do their own critical thinking, good to have you around PackFan.💯

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13TimeChamps's picture

November 04, 2023 at 12:14 pm

I'm really getting tired of this narrative that Murphy doesn't know anything about football. He played in the NFL, was a union rep for the team he played for. As far as "he had zero football operation experience...he was an Athletic Director for two universities. I'm pretty sure overseeing the football operations of those two universities, as well as his other responsibilities, qualifies as football operation experience.

Like most on here, I'd like to see a more traditional power structure within the FO, and it's fair to criticize Murphy for that. But to suggest he's just a suit and knows nothing about football is kind of ridiculous.

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Since'75's picture

November 05, 2023 at 12:08 am

Being the AD is fine and dandy, but that, in and of itself, doesn't give you football operational experience.

I remember somebody who thought it was a good idea to give the GM total football authority in Green Bay, that man was Bob Harlan.

After that happened, i remember two Super Bowls being won by 2 different GM's

The current GM doesn't possess that power since he became GM......

How does Murphy's new structure look now?
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I understand you're getting really tired of it.
That's a shame.

But others might have a different opinion.
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Just because the President has authority over a five-star General, doesn't mean the President knows anything about running the army.

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13TimeChamps's picture

November 05, 2023 at 08:30 am

Well, if that President, like most of our recent ones, was never in the military I agree with you. Murphy, on the other hand, has experience across the board in football. The player side, the union side, the administrative side. And I already acknowledged that I didn't agree with the current power structure in Green Bay's FO, and it's fair to criticize Murphy for that.

But that wasn't the point of my original post. And I'm pretty sure you realize that.

Enjoy the game.

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Since'75's picture

November 05, 2023 at 10:10 am

Fair enough 13.

We can disagree, it's all good. 💯
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If Stanford doesn't play, i see a good chance at a Packer win today.

This is a week to week league and perceptions can change quickly in the NFL

We're all Packer fans 13, lets hope we see some positives soon.

Until then, i'm going to call it as i see it.

But i'll always give credit when due.

Thanks for being a stand up guy! 🍺

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13TimeChamps's picture

November 05, 2023 at 10:30 am

Let's hope we don't go into halftime down 17 or 20 points again and a win would definitely be possible. This sleepwalking through the first half of games has to end.

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Coldworld's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:17 am

This just seems like a fake storm to me. Yes, I liked having Douglas, but he wasn’t changing our record materially on his own.

Plenty of real things to worry about than trading a player whom we probably only had through next year on a team that’s wasting him at the moment for a top 100 pick and 7 million cap.

It’s not likely he would have been playing in the same system even next year if he stayed. We might as well get young players snaps on D. We are not going anywhere by trying to be the least bad we can be at this point.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:33 am

Cory's take is so tedious. Roster churn, attention to the cap, and the reality of Douglas age are all in the mix. Apparently 30 years of wild success with draft and develop wasn't sufficient for Cory. You can't go all in and then cry when you bust.

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dobber's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:37 am

Which take? This rambling mess is mostly stream of consciousness goop.

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LLCHESTY's picture

November 04, 2023 at 04:31 pm

He should know that stream of consciousness goop is Stockholder's bag!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:15 pm

CW, this ignores the effect it has on the rest of the team. This ignores the way Gutey personally handled Rasul.

As an idea, selling your best players that won't be part of the team by the time it possibly might be good again is fine. Giving one $25MM / yr while dumping another like trash is capricious and demoralizing.

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SweetPotatoGB's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:39 am

I’m not terribly excited about our defense by any stretch of the imagination, but I’m always looking out for the players first and foremost, so I am happy that Rasul gets to play for a better team now. He’s not coming back, literally ever. It will be a few years before Green Bay is playing anything resembling good football, and whenever that happens both the players and coaches will have changed pretty significantly I think. The GM, the head coach, the DC….all are at risk of being fired at some point. Many players are going to need to step up if they plan on staying in the NFL. Rasul had no business being a part of such a mess, even though I personally loved him as a player in GB.

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NFLfan's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:23 am

@SPGB-

'I'm always looking out for players first & foremost so I'm happy Rasul gets to play for another team'

Did you even watch Rasul's press conference @ the Bills?

Gute said 3 words-'you're being traded' Rasul thought it was a prank call. Murphy had to call back with more finesse. This is why Murphy keeps Gute on a short leash.
Rasul was shocked, Aaron Jones and Keisean Nixon were gutted. Gute handled the entire process in a cruel, inept fashion.

Packer fans need to get rid of that guy- not Rasul.

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SweetPotatoGB's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:48 am

I think Brian’s time is running out, especially if he doesn’t do well bringing in guys in 2024. I can’t hire or fire anyone, and that’s why I’m mostly looking out for the guys on the field. This worked out best for Rasul, and I’m happy he gets to compete now. As I said before, I think Green Bay is going to look a lot different over the next few years, and part of that difference could very well be a new GM. I can’t do anything except watch it play out, and root for the guys that are on the field every Sunday. I totally get why you don’t like how Brian’s done or not done his job.

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NFLfan's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:11 am

@SPGB-

You completely miss the point.
Let me try to break it down for you-sigh...

Rasul wanted to improve the team, he was committed to the Packers, he was passionate & outspoken and he got punished.

He wasn't trying to get noticed by other teams.-for God's sake.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 04, 2023 at 11:18 am

Yes, "we like our guys."

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:16 pm

So you're saying Rashan Gary was a fool to sign.

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egbertsouse's picture

November 04, 2023 at 08:46 am

Only trading one guy doesn’t seem like a rebuild, it seems like getting rid of a guy that you’re beefing with. However, it’s also possible that a lot of the older players are either injured or overpaid to the extent that they are virtually unable to be traded because no team wants a high-priced underachiever who misses games. If that is the case, Gute may figure that they can play out their contracts and he can get comp picks when they leave. On the other hand, it does appear that Gute is not a people person based on the fact that Rodgers wouldn’t take his calls and Douglas hung up on him. So, who knows what really goes on with that crazy bunch at 1265 Lombardi?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:19 pm

Imagine a GM who isn't a people person.

Gutey needs to be fired, yesterday. Not replaced, just dumped. Unceremoniously.

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Guam's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:03 am

"If the Packers are really interested in the future, then they needed to make more than one move."

It takes two teams to make a deal Corey. If the Packers had given away Preston Smith to "make more than one move", you would have been complaining about that too. I suspect Preston's, Aaron's and Campbell's contracts, ages and needs of the other teams all had something to do with why there was insufficient interest to make more than one move.

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dobber's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:41 am

You're right on: Douglas' contract made him more tradable than Smith or Jones. I suspect the point that Campbell and Jones have only played limited snaps recently due to injury is a pretty significant factor.

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TarynsEyes's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:56 am

I read some think more players, other than Douglas, should have been traded. The answer for not doing so, that is usually offered, is it takes two to make a deal. My question is, what makes you so sure that they're worth trading for, or would command a good deal for the Packers.

This team, for whatever reason one will denote as, is suffering from evaporation/dehydration, the life support system to make it grow or sustain itself is missing.

Let's apply basic math using 3 parts.

One part is can't. Youth
One part is can't anymore. Veterans
The last part lacks nutrients. Coaching

Put it in a blender, and I'm not drinking it.

This is your Kool-Aid.

Bottoms up, and why theirs is.

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jlc1's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:22 am

Almost all season the Pack has faced bad to mediocre opponents. So opposing team records have not stopped this death spiral, they've only made it more evident that this team is overmatched on every front. 6 wins is possible.....between now and the opening of the 2025 season, the potential rebirth of the Pack with MM's departure and his replacement then cleaning house.

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Packerpasty's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:27 am

and tomorrow is just about the last chance to get in the win column at least until the Bears game...without Stafford they better put on a good show at Lambeau....close score but finally a win...defense wins the game tomorrow...so there...bank it....

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:22 pm

Rams have a great trio of receivers, and a run game. What does GB have to stop that?

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:33 am

"Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon were supposed to do the heavy lifting, but thanks to Jones’ pesky hamstring injury, the running game hasn’t been able to set any personal records."

Much of disappointment in the running game has to be on the poor play of the offensive line. I seldom see Dillon get to the second level without contact.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 04, 2023 at 11:24 am

Dillon is a third option, at best.

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Packerpasty's picture

November 04, 2023 at 12:19 pm

part of the reason for that is that Dillon doesn't seem to be able to find the hole and hit it...not that instinctive of a runner...last year all he seemingly did was close his eyes and crash into the mass of bodies...this year he's a bit better, probably because of a contract year...he'll probably be elsewhere next season...

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 04, 2023 at 09:23 pm

You don't see #28 get to the line of scrimmage without contact.

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Dragon5's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:52 am

Hard truth: Fading our "stacked" defense is one of the easiest calls/bets one can make.

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TommyG's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:57 am

A trade requires two parties. If a selling team doesn’t have any buyers then they don’t trade. Don’t forget that a traded player has a contract attached to them.

Some of the current packers are under contract through the end of the AR cap hit. Those are worth keeping,

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Via.Lombardi's picture

November 04, 2023 at 11:16 am

Clueless article. It fails to take into consideration the cap. This guy probably wishes AR12 was still around claiming #MLK problems. A master's degree? Shiver me timbers!

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NFLfan's picture

November 04, 2023 at 11:31 am

The NFL has a human component-
Gutekunst has failed miserably in connecting with humans-

-he can't decipher character
-grit
-talent
- intangibles.

Ted Thompson could.

His incompetence has cost the Packers more $$$ than most cap considerations.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 04, 2023 at 12:04 pm

You may be right about Gutekunst. You gotta have doubts about anyone drafting a crappy punter, an even worse long snapper or AJ Dillon.

However, TT had the same fascination with measurables and defense. He drafted some real duds , especially after the super bowl often because he didn’t pay enough attention to things like motivation, experience and injury history. He even gave that schlub Nick Perry a second contract. TT was a Gutekunst who had Aaron Rodgers fall in his lap.

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Packerpasty's picture

November 04, 2023 at 12:14 pm

Gute's has the "smartest man in the room" syndrome....often gets people in trouble, that syndrome....

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NFLfan's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:32 pm

Gute is markedly inarticulate- nowhere near the smartest guy in the room

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TarynsEyes's picture

November 04, 2023 at 11:36 am

Player contracts are part of the trade has been brought into reasoning.

Have the Packers 'player contract' themselves out of the trade market?

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Packerpasty's picture

November 04, 2023 at 12:12 pm

Holy wah...I read it twice and I dont think you mentioned that the Packers are "young".....thats a first for a CHTV article!!! Maybe I missed it though...

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NFLfan's picture

November 04, 2023 at 10:33 pm

Imagine the Packers playing the teams the Jets are facing.

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