Gut Reactions: Packers finally lose to the Bears

Aaron chats with Packers fans worldwide after Green Bay falls to the Chicago Bears for the first time in 12 games.

 

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MooPack's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:24 pm

The ST, Offense, miscues, penalties and fumble did them in.

The Packers defense played a pretty good game overall. But.

But, That last D call needs to be brought up by the Packer beat writers repeatedly. Call BS on whatever coach speak excuse they put forth. Don't let coaches off the hook for that horrible, awful, ridiculous decision. A 3 man rush, deep prevent defense instead of calling what should have been the exact opposite. High pressure, DB's bump at the line, all in call. They get burnt?, what's the difference?

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Lphill's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:28 pm

That's what happens when you have a college defensive coordinator.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:53 pm

I put money on LaFleur making that particular faux pas.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:38 pm

Exactly. I knew we were doomed when they took a time out to go over the defense.

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Starrbrite's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:43 pm

Exactly!!

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dblbogey's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:08 pm

3rd and 2, a chance to pick up a first down, run down the clock, and win the game. They call a run up the middle and lose 2 yards. Maybe a designed run for Willis or something that might actually work? Then our defense was unable to get off on 3rd downs. Chicago needs 10 yards, and we have two safeties 30 yards downfield? Without a better pass rush and better play from Love, this team isn't ready. i only hope we aren't totally embarrassed by the Eagles.

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sugarbair's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:09 pm

Forfeit might be 1 - 0, Play the game 35 - 10, 7 of those 10 in garbage time, Improvement just wasn't there this year,

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Gman1976's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:53 pm

Coaching consistently has lost us games. This game could have given us better seeding , and the coaching or lack thereof is costing us games.. ST: Doesn't the team know which side of the field the punt is going? O: Anemic overall. Can't seem to win the crucial plays on 3rd and 4th downs and when we go for 2. D: At the end, we only rush 3 and leave a CB on an island with the WR and leaving the middle of field empty for a huge gain. Jugh!

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bullsa21's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:07 pm

Every level of play knows which side of the field they are punting to! either they all went the wrong direction or the punter forgot his left from his right. that was the game right there!

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bleedgreen's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:57 pm

This embarrassment is on everybody.. Coaching, offense, Defense,. ST. Don't !et defense off hook. They again can't make a stop when they need to. Even against this crap bears team.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:45 pm

I'd be curious to know what your post would be if they had done the exact opposite as you suggest and failed. I'm sure you would post the opposite criticism saying they never should have brought pressure.

The gallery would clap and give you 28+ upvotes as they have done regarding this post. The problem is, regardless of the play that coach's call, it's up to the players to get the job done. They didn't. That's football.

As much as I want this to be a championship caliber team........

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MooPack's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:53 pm

Uh, No.

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Lphill's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:27 pm

Pathetic coaching and playing by the offense and special teams , one and done coming up. almost 400 yrs of offense at home and lose .

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Dragon5's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:33 pm

main theme: no leadership on the sideline, nor on the field

cats chasing tails, a boat without a sail

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Nobuttkiss's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:17 pm

Very true there's no veteran leadership on this team whatsoever. MLF has coached terribly .

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:18 pm

a dog without a bone, an actor out on loan

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 05, 2025 at 09:43 pm

Everybody's flying across the sky, Superman is out of town.

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Lare's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:33 pm

Packers in the playoffs? They can't even beat the Bears.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:33 pm

Horrible loss. This should put to bed any thoughts of a deep playoff run and comments that Willis is the solution. Hopefully Watson plays in 2025 but that looked grim.

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:38 pm

Need to lose these injury prone “players”!

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cpabandit's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:45 pm

Watson and Alexander must go! They are made out of paper.

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badaxed's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:47 pm

Made of glass

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sugarbair's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:14 pm

Paid Love too early. Needed to see another year from him. Stuck with him for two more years. Doesn't mean we can't keep an eye open for another option,

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Starrbrite's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:35 pm

An inexcusable loss! Are you kidding me—Rush three and no DB in sight on my big screen. This is a horrific defensive call—I’m ashamed of Hafley’s spineless refusal to blitz—hire Saleh.
Hats off to McManus, Kraft, and Jacobs.
Not in a good mood after this.
Go Packers!!!

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:39 pm

Agree 100%

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Packerpasty's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:50 pm

agree, only hire Sales as HC, I've never like the hire of boy genius MLF...him and his buddy McVay are fading fast..

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:06 pm

Blitz?…what is that word???

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:57 pm

4th and 26, remember with a lot more on the line. This Franchise is synonymous with playing soft defense, been going on for 30 years with a few exceptions typically acquired through Free Agency - certainly not Draft and Develop on defense.

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bleedgreen's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:02 pm

Hire Salah now. He's already in the organization!

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:37 pm

LaFlower isn’t the guy… just the looks on his face shows he has no clue about what to do… the team comes out flat game after game… and that’s on him… coaching in general.., SUCKS BIGTIME!

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Packerpasty's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:47 pm

Bingo!!! I hope he's long gone in a year or two...id fire him now and pay Johnson or vrabel, wont happen of course...Love is clearly mediocre talent, zero growth this year...yah yah, start with the excuses fanboys...young, was hurt, blah blah...Eagles gonna feast...

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:07 pm

Agree 100%

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:59 pm

Mr. December - just like McCarthy and Sherman with 1 exception 15 years ago.

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KurtMc's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:41 pm

MLF needs to go. Unimaginable play calling, shit clock management and no leadership.

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White92's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:08 pm

4th and 3 end around? Oy

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Since'61's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:38 pm

The Packers did everything they could to give the game away and they did. The defensive call on the last play was absolutely ridiculous. Fumbles, blown STs, etc.

No excuses. Now they go into the playoffs with no momentum. This team lost 5 of 6 games in their own division, all 3 division home game losses and they were a finger tip away from going 0-6 in their own division. Not a good indicator for their upcoming playoff challenges.

Anything can happen but this was not a positive way to end the regular season. Thanks, Since '61

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Starrbrite's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:41 pm

Great explanation ‘61.

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Lphill's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:55 pm

Love showed no improvement this season poor coaching ?

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:08 pm

He digressed… as did coaching..,

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 05, 2025 at 09:45 pm

I'm having trouble digesting this.

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Aldo's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:30 pm

AND lack of talent

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:04 pm

Hate to say it but anything ain't gonna happen unless the earth is flat. Seems like the meaning of insanity at this point. 2 in 50+ years is not exactly Titletown. People who remember Packer Glory Years are going the way of WW2 veterans. Like Ron Wolf stated - a Fart in the Wind. Mike Holmgren was the last real coach this team had and that was how Wolf described his tenure.

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 05, 2025 at 08:09 pm

"People who remember Packer Glory Years are going the way of WW2 veterans."

Hey! Hey! Hey! Easy, now. There's a 20+ year window you're glossing over there, GBS, and I know I'm not ready for a lap blanket just yet. My memory is just fine, thanks.

"Like Ron Wolf stated - a Fart in the Wind. Mike Holmgren was the last real coach this team had and that was how Wolf described his tenure."

Here's the quote from Ron Wolf after the Broncos 31-24 upset of the Packers in Super Bowl XXXII.

"We're a one-year wonder, just a fart in the wind," Packers general manager Ron Wolf said. "Now this will stop all this idiotic talk about a dynasty. We just got our guts kicked out here."

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 05, 2025 at 08:33 pm

Hear, hear!
Re: that “lap blanket” thing: I’d like to add that I’m nowhere near ready to go to McDonald’s and drink coffee for three hours every morning.

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:17 pm

The Glory Years certainly were not the 90s guys. We one 1, the Glory Years were the 60s, if you can remember Lombardi patrolling the sidelines you are most certainly receiving monthly checks from the government. Since Lombardi left 58 years ago, Titletown has added a total of 2 trophies into the Packer HOF. This is with arguably 2 of the greatest QBs in Football history. Love all the history but would rather have the team making it instead of watching reruns that are decades old for the 8th time. I was there in 1997 the first and last time they won a Conference Championship at home since the Ice Bowl - it was other wordly, but that was close to 30 years ago now. I guess better than some but the "Glory Years" for the franchise was 60 years ago.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:21 pm

One of three or four reasonable posts today.

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apioman's picture

January 05, 2025 at 08:59 pm

Ditto.
Sick and tired of not having capable defensive players and coaches.
Going on 30+ years or so.
Packer management does not demand excellence any more.
They could care less. How is it ok for players to celebrate plays when they are losing to a terrible team.

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edp1959's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:43 pm

So much for owning the Bears, Love took care of that. Packers need to find a QB1.

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:54 pm

They can’t change… like Rodgers… too much invested in MCMoneybags…

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:09 pm

Wonder why the thumb down… I’m just stating the obvious..,

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CanPackFan's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:03 pm

Not sure if we should throw the baby out with the bathwater re: Love.MLF seems to have lost his way re: play calling. Are we a running team or a passing team? It's great to have Jacobs but does adding one person mean the whole identity of the offense should change? IMHO, Love is a young gunslinger who can't find passing rhythm in this MLF offense.

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:10 pm

Should trade love and Watson for a 7th round draft pick

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Lphill's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:11 pm

Dumb ass , who's your team Bears or Vikings?

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:19 pm

He's a Packers fan.

But based on the childish outlash from today's loss, I'm guessing he isn't very happy with his life and celebrating a Packers victory is sort of his way of knowing what it feels like to win.. so when the Packers lose, it hits him hard, and it ruins his entire week, until the next time the Packers play and give him a chance to feel what success feels like again.

That's why people like this get really, really emotional and lash out at this time of year. Unlike in week 1, 6, or even 15, this is the time of year where if the Packers don't win, they don't play next week. That means no more opportunities to ride on the Packers' coat tails and bask in their success. It means a long off season of nothing but the bland, sub-par realities of their own lives. These people aren't well adjusted adults who are comfortable with or know how to manage their emotions.

...or he's a vikings troll, flip a coin

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Packerpasty's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:59 pm

hard to be a passing team when your qb takes a half to get settled in to throwing anything catchable...Love has not grown one bit this season...just the opposite perhaps...

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:16 pm

Murphy got blackmailed by love ,he was under contract! Shouldn't have given him the massive $ extension, should have fined his arse at training camp! Now Love got big money, the gm should not have shit on himself from blackmail!!

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Dancrothers54's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:48 pm

Please explain to me how Love lost this game to the Bears? Love basically didn’t play 3/4 of the game. I’m lost with your logic.

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KJ03's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:44 pm

1-5 in the division, always seem to be making crucial mistakes at worst times every week, which is on coaches, just brutal defensive call on last play, and even though he didn’t play much , the 255 million dollar’s quarterback is probably the 4th best in our division. It’s a big ask for them to be competitive next week based on last 18 weeks.

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:54 pm

Coaching… is the reason why… or lack of good coaching…

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:44 pm

I know we are all very,very disappointed! But friends I have to say mine! This was a true circus spectacle we have fucking witnessed! Are the players professionals or circus clowns! This team wants to go to Philladelphia next week to be the laughingstock of the nfl? Wtf? The punt? The ball goes to the left sideline and all the imbeciles to the right side? We weren't playing in heavy fog! I must say if the GREAT LOMBARDI was on the sideline this afternoon, THE FLOWER would have been recovered at hospital in coma with fractured skull,broken jaws and LOMBARDIS shoe stuck deep inside his bloody ARSE!!! LOMBARDI would have never ever put theses circus clowns on display!! I know Murphy and Gute were in the box observing the circus show! Have no ideas what they are thinking or reasoning, if I'm Murphy I'd make a tel call to Mr bellicick or vrabel for next year. I know bellicick accepted hc position at uni,the Flower isn't the answer! Next week we exit wit the tail behind the legs! What happened today is unacceptable! EBERFLUSS lost hc position cause he didn't call timeout, the flower? The circus show! 6

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:56 pm

Laflower should be gone after that debacle

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SinceLombardi's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:25 pm

Actually in Lombardi’s last season on the sideline in GB , the Packers lost their final two games.
The Rams beat them in LA with a blocked punt turning the game. Lombardi went with Donny Anderson , when Hawg Hanner asked if he wanted Chandler to punt. It’s a pretty famous highlight.
They followed that loss with a loss to the lowly Pittsburgh Steelers at Lambeau.
So they finished 9-4-1 , when 11-2-1 was clearly in their sights.
Granted MLF is no Vince Lombardi and Jordan Love will never have the success Bart Starr had.
But the point is , all the talk going into the playoffs in 67 ( first year of the added round) was the Packers were done, they were old. The Rams were supposed to be the team to beat in the playoffs.
I’m disappointed in this Packers team. They are a soft 11-6. I think they are poorly motivated, and MLF always seems to come up small in big spots. I also think Jordan Love is inaccurate and overrated.
The defense cannot be counted on in big spots.
They may be young, but there are no rookies playing on offense.. a unit that has regressed in the passing game. The defense has improved ( with a few rookies) but still shits the bed when the game is on the line.

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Aldo's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:35 pm

Well said.

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bleedgreen's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:09 pm

Yes but Lombardi won the Super Bowl. That's not happening wth MLF

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:27 pm

THE FLOWER NEEDS TO BE SENT HOME AFTER WE EXIT PHILLADELPHIA NEXT WEEK AS THE LAUGHINSTOCK OF THE NFL!WITH THE TAILS BEHIND THE LEGS ! MURPHY AND GUTE SHOULD SPEAK WITH MR BELLICICK! SALEH! AND VRABEL FOR NEXT YEAR! I NEVER LIKED HIM AS HC! HES AN OC AT MOST! TRULY A CIRCUS FESTIVAL CLOWNS AT DISPLAY THIS AFTERNOON!!!

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Packers0808's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:20 pm

In the hospital with your stroke yet, it is only a game is football. Risible!

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:13 pm

Did you catch Matt LaFleur plowing your wife?

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:20 pm

Worse, Oppy, he caught MLF shaving his wife's back!

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:22 pm

Sorry mate? Plowing who's wife? Dont understand what you mean!

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:07 pm

What I'm saying is, the amount of vitriol you seem to possess for Matt LaFleur is often reserved for when a married man unexpectedly walks in on another man making love to his wife; ergo; did you catch Matt LaFleur plowing your wife?

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dobber's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:23 pm

...nah, running his snowblower!

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 05, 2025 at 08:12 pm

Hey now, that's going too far!

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 05, 2025 at 08:17 pm

And, I heard it was an Airens Platinum 24" two-stage!

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Joster11's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:46 pm

Slow start, mental errors, penalties killing drives, defensive lapses when a stop is needed, and then coach stating to media, “ We gotta clean those things up.” It’s all we’ve heard all season—lather, rinse, repeat

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:30 pm

What do you expect from the FLOWER?

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:12 pm

We are at a Meaning of Insanity moment with this organization.

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Major Snafu's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:28 pm

We're a running team. We don't develop receivers and a passing game we run. No surprises from offense.

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splitpea1's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:47 pm

It turned out this game didn't ultimately matter in the seeding, but it still leaves a very sour taste in your mouth.

That Hafley defensive call at the end will live in regular season infamy. Nonsensical and practically inviting the Bears a chance to win the game, which they did. A Flores-type approach probably would have done the trick.

Only one sack against the worst offensive line in football?

The ground game was good, but the pass offense largely sputtered. Poor in the red zone as usual; I can't believe we're not better here. Too many end-arounds. Although Watson left, I think we really missed Doubs. I was also surprised there weren't a couple of designed runs for Willis.

In short, we played down to the Bears level by making on-field and coaching mistakes.

The Packers will need to bring their A-game and some road warrior mystique to beat the Eagles. It's possible but I don't know how likely.

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Koostyroosty's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:56 pm

I don't believe the "A" game is good enough at this point, if they can even find it.

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:57 pm

Excellent observations!!!

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cpabandit's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:48 pm

From coaches to players, the Packers lead the league in Shit for Brains.

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:58 pm

Matt chitforbrains LaFlower!

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:37 pm

Bravissimo!! Well said ! Murphy after next week's slaughter, send the FLOWER Home!!!

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Major Snafu's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:23 pm

And lefleur is the biggest dump in football. Why is he consulting with bisuchcia about defense.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 05, 2025 at 08:14 pm

⬆️Whoa this is Vikings level dumb!⬆️

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Packerpasty's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:49 pm

1 - 5 in the division and thats with a lucky blocked field goal....disgusting....disgusting coaching all year and mediocre QB play...1 - 5....wah, what a shit show...

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:50 pm

Inconceivable.

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CanPackFan's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:53 pm

To play this badly, to see such poor coaching, and to see injuries to starters - combined with losing - makes u wonder what the heck was the objective of the GB "brain trust" coming into this game?

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stockholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:53 pm

Game went as planned.
We now are underdogs - period.
The Depth sucks and thats on your GM.
There are No surprises now.
This team needs Walker.

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Pumpkin Jones's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:59 pm

We’re third in the best division in league history. We were always underdogs.

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stockholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:04 pm

Blame the gm.
It's that simple

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packer132's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:26 pm

The GM has nothing to do with poor coaching and poor play calling. Did you watch the game? Did you see the defense rushing 3 in the final minute? That sir, is not on the GM.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 05, 2025 at 09:49 pm

Hey man, it's tough being the king of ridiculous comments. Having to constantly one up yourself to keep the crown but Stockholder puts in the work, ups his meds and gits her done.

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Todd's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:07 am

Stock’s extreme case of the a$$ with the GM is a bit funny.

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packer132's picture

January 06, 2025 at 02:14 am

Do you mean the same GM that went out and got Josh Jacobs and Xavier McKinney? Yeah, lets blame him for the loss to the Bears.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:25 am

Not sure why your getting so many Thumb downs. People have to start looking at Gute with open eyes now. I was a Gute fan since his hire. I am starting to open my eyes. Van Ness, Watson, every single DL in the last 4 years. Im even questioning the MLF hire.

Im sure ill feel better with time, but right now im really disgusted where this team is compared to last year. Regression is not acceptable. If you get beat by better teams but play good football, so be it. But we are getting beat by better teams with crap football.

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:16 pm

Wasn't the best division in Football last year - some teams upgraded obviously. This team heavily relies on players acquired through Free Agency, maybe the draft and develop isn't such genius any longer or maybe a better blend is appropriate, just sayin'. The kindergarten routine didn't work for the kicking game, not sure it's really getting us any closer to the 3rd ring in 58 years.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:50 pm

Johnnie Walker ??

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stockholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:08 pm

No - You don't mock anyone yet.
You get players ready.
And you change the depth after the playoffs.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:54 am

He plays for Whiskey River C.C.

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:18 pm

Running out of inventory, that Bird Dog is looking tasty ! Might need both after this latest debacle since I won't need either next week.

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Koostyroosty's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:54 pm

Listening to MLF talk to the press this week, I expected the exact kind of game we witnessed. It just didn't sound like the team was interested in winning: just "cleaning up" the mistakes and "executing" the plays. A glorified scrimmage. I'm very glad I didn't pay for a ticket to watch in person.

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Joster11's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:00 pm

If the objectives were to clean up mistakes and execute plays, GB didn’t accomplish them.

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Koostyroosty's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:02 pm

I would say they failed miserably, and lost players to injury while failing.

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:00 pm

Unfortunately I paid $4.99 to watch this shit… coulda been on my way today… snow tomorrow… instead I gotta wait til Tuesday…

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:43 pm

Yeah! The love that we have for the Pack! They don't deserve our love when the play like circus clowns!!

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:20 pm

Thank God I was only dumb enough to pay $49.00 for Sunday Ticket. Already canceled that puppy.

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Strat's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:54 pm

Let the apologists say what they want. Not gut reactions, not overreactions, Bears or any team, 4-12, lost 10 in a row, come into your own building and win when you actually had something on the line. They're never ready, not even for this bottom shelf level of competition. They should be 0-6 in the Division.

Celebrate like it was over. Horse-collar tackle on a QB that threw the ball away every time he ran to the sideline, give them a free 15. Great D call at the end there, you gave Williams exactly what he wanted and needed, time. But maybe I'm wrong, they only gave up 18 yards. Keep that one in the playbook for Philly, along with taking the ball first.

Thanks Brandon McManus, 55 yard bullet in the cold...too bad it was wasted.

Too much more, but I will give the Packers credit. In all my years of watching football, I've never seen a team made to look more stupid then on that kick return for a TD.

Playoff team...yeah, right.

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:02 pm

Agree 100%

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cdoemel's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:06 pm

FO

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:06 pm

I'm with you mate!!

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Stinky Cheese's picture

January 05, 2025 at 03:59 pm

Get used to it, Packers fans. A crappy Bears roster beats your 2 QB's at home. It should have been twice this year.
How many more years is Jordan" throw a jump ball' Love being paid by you guys? Thank god that QB reign is over! Eagles +14. At least you do not play the 49ers this year :)

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:03 pm

I’m ticked… your bears got lucky… just look at where they are now… last place… as usual!

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CheesePuff's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:17 pm

Easy money - take Philly and give the points. You’ll have a comfortable lead at 1/2 time.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:13 pm

Unfortunately Murphy and gute got blackmailed by love , they pissed on themselves and made the extension! Should have fined him for his absence at training camp and made evaluation at the expiry of his contract! Love shall be here for years to come, don't believe he'll play at the levels of Herbert or burrow! A gm should never be blackmailed! He had the knive by the side of the handle , not the blade!!

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:24 pm

Tommy, ask if they'll take you for a short walk outside, and maybe get a snack when you return. Does Jell-O sound good? I'll bet you could eat it in the Day Room!

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Lphill's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:15 pm

What time is the Bears playoff game?

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cdoemel's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:07 pm

FO

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JJB's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:04 pm

This team is full of lazy uninspired cowards. From Coaches to players. The GM is a arrogant prick that can't draft in rounds 1, 2 or 3. Ed please right this ship when u take over

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Major Snafu's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:17 pm

Oh please it's much worse then that because you only get so many picks and they refuse to replace the fn gm mistakes: Alexander, Stokes, Walker, Wyatt, Watson. Throw in Reed as a three and Carlson as a guy who couldn't kick but took a year or more to dump him

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:05 pm

Gotta sit through another two minute intro… add that to the Packers shitshow we saw today!!!

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cdoemel's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:08 pm

FO!

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JohnnyLogan's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:07 pm

La Fleur has a really good won - lost record but does anyone really trust him in a big game? This game wasn’t that important but there was something to play for and almost whenever that’s the case La Fleur turns into quivering jelly. Supposedly an offensive genius ( I hope I never hear anyone call him that again) aside from the defeat of an overrated Dallas team last year, he chokes when opposing a good coach and team. He needs to be replaced but as with McCarthy and seemingly endless bad defensive and special team coaches, he’ll be here way past his expiration date. This is a talented young team. I wish the front office had the courage and foresight to bring in someone that knows how to manage a team. La Fleur,, despite the prevailing attitude when he came in, isn’t even a good OC. He needs to go.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:06 pm

well said..

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White92's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:20 pm

Yep. He will never get the Packers to the next level. Time and again, the team has either been unprepared, slow to adjust, or out-schemed. He makes baffling in-game decisions regarding playcalling and clock management.

I am tired of seeing playoff losses at home as the favorite and slow starts in big games. Time to cut bait. I understand the young man who runs the Lions offense may be available. How fun would it be to steal him from the Bears?

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Pumpkin Jones's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:13 pm

A bad outing in a meaningless end of season trap game, where the Packers had nothing to win and the Bears had nothing to lose. Whether they’re one and done or go all the way, they’ll have my unconditional support.

As for the fanbase, forget it. I’m not interested in yet another week of impotent drunken crying. I refuse.

Logging off from all Packers communities for the remainder of the season. Go Pack Go!

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:18 pm

Bye!

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CheesePuff's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:22 pm

You’ll have plenty of Packers “highlights” to enjoy during the off-season- just not in a good way.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:01 pm

Yours is one of the few reasonable posts I expect to read today.

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Strat's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:15 pm

The only thing meaningless is your comment. They didn't know who was going to win between Dallas and Washington and it went down to the wire. They had a chance to improve their position going in.

Nobody is interested in your sucking up to a professional football team either. It doesn't make you a better fan than anyone else. But make sure you stick around long enough to give all the honest fans a thumbs down.

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EricTorkelson's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:30 pm

What would you rather talk about POLITICS

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jyros's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:28 pm

Was the concept for this game to not show next weeks opponent anything? If so, what a success!
Maybe take on a few more ‘special consulting coaches’ to put together a winning game plan like the one we just witnessed.

I’m going to go throw up again….

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coolhand's picture

January 06, 2025 at 03:33 am

It was a comedy show for Philly so they can watch this game and get over confident and then we will surprise them!

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PhantomII's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:30 pm

On ST...is it not normal to huddle with the coverage/ kickoff unit and tell them where they are punting OR kicking the ball...or is that only in the High School Football team I was on...Reed...protect the ball in traffic. That's your game.

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Dragon5's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:30 pm

It'd be great if we could just flip the switch back to last year's playoff team with a legit PK now in tow.

Reality: 17 game sample suggests our playoff main course will be the usual: a 1 & done. Quinyon Mitchell was the surest thing within our 1st round draft reach last April, Gute didn't jump. He passed on DeJean when given the chance. Would be fitting if Philly blankets our WRs with Mitchell & DeJean. Perhaps they'll give 🙏and blow💋s up to Gute's booth assuming he's in attendance.

Would be nice to see a competitive game in all 3 phases (coaching included)

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fthisJack's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:32 pm

Good: Run Game and McManus.
Bad: Lafleur's game plan. Could have burned up more time before the field goal. Love...Just a guy.
Ugly: ST all day. Hafley impersonating Joe Barry on the last play. Drop coverage 15 yards off the line and rush 3! Exactly what da Bears needed. Thanks Jeff. Playing the starters and getting a couple guys hurt.....dumb.

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BAMABADGER's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:34 pm

It's all on the HC. Piss poor play calling especially in the first half. The 4th and long up the middle? Worse when the D lines up with a 3 man rush and the 3 DBs lined up 10 yards behind the TV "green automatic" FG line. A real HC should have called timeout and chewed the D-Coord axe and tell him to rush 4 or better blitz That one play shows you why MLF may not be the right person to lead this team. Packers were basically 0-6 against the division, except the Bears missed the early season FG. We are heading in the wrong direction.

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bjkdad44's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:17 pm

In 100% agreement

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dobber's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:46 pm

Takes (short)....
...sobering thought: this team was one fingertip away from being 0-6 in the division.
...it is clear that the braintrust really didn't plan to go all in to win this game.
...hit none of the primary goals: play well, bury the Bears, get starters out, no injuries.
...You can't gift a bad team 14 points. The punt return was inexcusable...do the gunners not know which side the ball is going to? The fumble by Reed was a nice play by the DB, but can't happen. Bears barely hit 200 yards and 10 points otherwise.
...Packers defense actually DID play well. They frustrated the Bears and limited their yards. They definitely played well enough to win.
...for the second week in a row against an OL that has struggled to protect, the Packers' pass rush could move the QB off his spot, but couldn't finish with sacks.
...the key play was Enagbare's horse collar. Just push him out of bounds! Instead of 2nd and 15, the Bears get 15 yards and a new set of downs. It's too bad because Enagbare has been pretty good this season.
...Watson may have played his last game for the Packers...that looked like an ACL and I'll bet it costs him 2025.
...for an offense that ran up 370 yards, they looked out of sync and we saw what teams will do to Willis in the future.
...for the second week in a row, the OL struggled to protect on a regular basis, and there were several blatant holds that didn't get called.
...the run game was good, and the Packers saved wear and tear on Jacobs...that's a plus

Gotta find a way to strap it on and bring it next week.
Philly didn't look great today, but they rested everyone.

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pacman's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:50 pm

I had to take a break right after the game so I knew there would be a ton of comments already, especially after THAT game.

It was a sad pleasure to have so many finally realize that MLF has to go. I've been saying it for years. If he didn't have good teams while in GB, he would have a miserable record. Can anyone explain why anyone calls him a good coach. His team has so often come out unprepared and flat. How many times have we said they just don't play for a full 60 minutes. How many times have we said he was out coached. Have we ever said he out coached a team? His first DC pick was miserable and he kept him around until the entire world knew it. Hafley hasn't shown anything special this year either and games like today certainly spotlight his ability. You don't have to look any further than the last first down play.

Today was a disgrace to the Packer fans. Unlikely the new president does anything drastic day 1. But maybe he does put MLF on the hot seat for next season.

I'll be watching next week. Expecting to be blown out. Praying for a win.

GPG!

edit - thanks for all the thumbs up. I feel a little better. See my reply to Oppy's post right below.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:44 pm

Dear pacman , I've been saying everything you have stated receiving numerous downvotes from many of our supporters! Unfortunately the truth hurts and many refuse the truths! He's an oc at most! Murphy and gute were at the box today observing the circus clowns the flower put on display for all the league watching and laughing about our squad! Will Murphy and gute send the flower home at seasons end? Bring a hc with discipline, a bad ass? If I'm Murphy I'd call bellicick, saleh and vrabel for next year! The Flower has a lot to learn from his mentor at sf!!!

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GreenAndGold_1963's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:16 pm

Agreed. Spot on about MLF.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 04:56 pm

Packers fans are the worst, most knee-jerk losers in the NFL.
It's fucking embarrassing.

Suck it up, it was a shitty game. Nobody wants to see a performance like that, losing to a team on a LONG losing streak, especially the Bears.

The world is not on fire. We played poorly and lost. Boo hoo.
The team is not in shambles. I've said it before and I'll say it again- if we changed directions every time there was adversity and half of you called for heads to roll, we'd be the fucking bears, or jets.. you get the idea.

It might be a one and done. It might be a carpet ride. One thing I know for sure, this isn't a bad team and there isn't any problems so dire that wholesale changes need to be made. 11-6. 5 of those losses were to the Eagles, Lions, and Vikings- All teams considered to be legitimate contenders to make the superbowl. Those losses: by 2, by 2 (Vikings), by 3, by 10 (Detroit), by 5 (Eagles).

I can't believe you twats think it's time to blow it up. lol. I hope none of you are running any company I ever work for.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:01 pm

1-5 in the division...wonderfull...actually should be 0-6...you like that huh...

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:29 pm

I don't like it, but I also understand the reality is that the NFC North has two of the top five or six teams in the league playing in it. Sucks for us, we need to get better.

The Packers aren't a bad team. We don't have a poor roster. We don't have bad coaches. I'd say the Packers are definitely a top 8 team in the NFL. The trajectory is still upwards for the team. Perhaps the 2024/25 season isn't our year. The future is still bright.

I think the difference between some fans and others is emotional maturity and perspective. People calling for heads to roll have neither, IMO.

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dobber's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:34 pm

Damn! You beat me to the word "trajectory"!

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bleedgreen's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:21 pm

Its not about blowing anything up. Its about getting competent coaching to get this team to execute as well as the other top teams in the league. Undisciplined poor execution is killing them. I wonder sometimes if these guys actually practice together.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:33 pm

I understand that sentiment about the team not seemingly ready to play.

However, the Packers looked pretty ready to execute over the last several weeks prior to MIN, and they looked downright deadly for the final 10 games of the 2023 season rolling into the playoffs.

So is it coaching? Or is it something else?
Is it something that is correctable with the current roster and coaching staff?
I think it is. Developing talent, not so different from developing a team or a coaching staff. You identify potential and work to get the most of it.

Some fans around here want to cut bait the moment there is any adversity.

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dobber's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:30 pm

Two seasons removed from no playoffs and a turnaround year last year that got them two playoff games.

"It might be a one and done. It might be a carpet ride.:"

...and if they went in and blew out the Bears today, it really wouldn't change the narratives of most of the unhappy folks posting here. They're just spouting the same stuff. There's a lot of room for this team to go down, but not a lot to move up. Be careful what you're wishing for.

They lost today...the general trajectory of the team since ARod was shipped out is up.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:37 pm

Amen, dobber.

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fthisJack's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:40 am

I didn't see any up at all this season. They beat the teams on their schedule they were supposed to beat, but not very convincingly, and couldn't beat the ones they needed to beat to say their trajectory is up. They are not a team to be feared. Campbell told O'Connell..."cya in 2 weeks". No respect.

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Strat's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:33 pm

They weren't even good enough to be or beat the fucking Bears today. I'm sure Bears fans are doing the same point differential thing you just did.

They beat the Rams without Kupp and Nacua and other defensive starters. They beat the 49ers, Seahawks and Saints with back-up QBs. The Saints without Kamara and Olave. Otherwise they could very well be an 8 win team. Maybe not a bad team but they sure as hell aren't a very good team either. They were younger last year, and they were better.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:43 pm

...With, by and large, the same players, and the same coaches.
So doesn't that make it seem illogical for so many to want to blow it up?

The reality perhaps you aren't ready for is that success in the NFL is a tight margin affair. Sometimes, things go your way. Sometimes, they don't.

All I know is I will still be here posting next week win or lose. You can bet your happy ass that if the Packers somehow manage to roll into philly and blow the doors off Eagles, the majority of the intensely negative posters in this thread will be exactly where they were the majority of the season when the Packers were winning.. and that's nowhere to be found.

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:33 pm

I gave you a thumbs-up, Oppy, just for calling us twats. Nice work, but I have to disagree with a piece of your rant. The world is pretty much on fire.

Okay, back to knee-jerking. Lombardi would have never rested his starters like the Eagles did today. They're going to come out rusty, so our slow start should create a push that gives us a slim chance. Angry Philly fans really are the worst.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:46 pm

Leotis, I've always loved the work you do here in the comments section, just so you know.

I want you to know that when I use the word twat, I apply it in the most European sense of the word. I'd throw in the "C" word, too, but I don't think the west is ready for that action.

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fthisJack's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:50 am

I think you directed the word twats at the wrong group of people. Very good adjective for some of the coaches.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:59 pm

Oppy! Please that circus show displayed on television today? Is unacceptable, inescubale! We've played like shit all year,this wasn't the 1st game of the season. I'm going to have nightmares this week about the beating next week in the playoffs on national TV!

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 05, 2025 at 09:58 pm

"inescubale!"

?? You and Stockholder should get together, you might be able to get a discount on English as a 2nd language classes.

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:44 pm

I run a company, we actually have something called accountability and we don't expect to win business battles doing the same things that don't work repeatedly. Last I checked that is called insanity. In the real world you are expected to produce better results year after year - those are called P&L statements and quarterly earnings reports - your performance is judged by achieving better results than the year before. If you are the Manager and you don't keep your team producing results - you are demoted or let go.

There are no "fans" which is short for fanatic for a reason. Also no one cares what you did 2 or 5 years ago never mind 15 or 30, sales increases are expected as an indication of effective management, mistakes that are repeated are a sign of management that is not effective. I only wish I had the finances at this teams disposal, what talent I could attract.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:10 pm

I don't run a company, but I do work for a pretty effin' successful one, and we don't start firing people when we have a down quarter or year. We analyze, understand, create a plan to improve, and execute.

It's actually part of the reason the company i work for is so highly regarded and wildly successful in its sector- we're not turning people over continually. Being "accountable" for poor performance does not automatically mean "must be fired." In fact, that's typically the last option.

Finding talent you believe in is the easy part. Actually -believing in them-, standing by them and investing in them when they struggle.. that's the hard part, and that's where real management is found.

Real management isn't easy. Maybe it's not the finances that are the problem with attracting talent.

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:56 pm

You hold people accountable for excellence and put them into positions where they can be successful while managing them to be goal oriented- maybe I was watching the wrong game but didn't see much of that this week. See repeated continual mistakes at multiple levels - defensive and special teams inadequacy - been going on for years. Not bringing in enough complimentary talent - been going on for years, horrific non sensical play calling at critical times in big moments - been going on for years, how many high draft picks wasted on DB busts, hit a home run with Xavier in Free Agency - Geez ya think that might work more often- just sayin ! Listen to what Xavier said post game about the team and performance not in just this game but every game this team lost- love that guy maybe he should be the coach. Put it very simply and there is a guy living it.

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Oppy's picture

January 06, 2025 at 06:49 am

That's the same message that Love and MLF get blasted for in post games.
Literally- It's all in front of us, we just need to perform up to the level we know we're capable of.

You're captivated by the speaker not the message.

For what it's worth, I agree with the message- I agreed when McKinney said it, and I agreed when Love and MLF and Kraft and a number of others have said it (a number of times over the last two seasons).

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fthisJack's picture

January 06, 2025 at 08:12 am

So when you're paying premium dollars for employees that are not performing, you either have to motivate them or get rid of them. I see a number of big contract guys on the Packers that are not earning their money. Clark got his big payday....ever here his name mentioned on making a tackle. Myers has been the weak link on this O line since day one. Jaire...what's he making...25, 27 mil a year and lucky if he plays half the games.
They made a very good move by trading Smith. Now in the off season they need to get rid of the underperforming baggage. Not a cap space expert but i imagine there would be a lot of dead money on the table for doing it. But maybe get some cap relief and draft compensation. Load up in FA like the Lions and Vikings have done. Anzalone, Reader, Cashman to name a few.

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pacman's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:14 pm

Who said blow it all up? Typical straw man argument. Misquote and call it wrong.

I blame MLF mostly. Hafley not looking great at the moment with his soft D at the most obviously wrong time. If Nagler can't even excuse it, it must be bad.

I think team has pretty good playing talent. Maybe not SB material yet. (I'm not a believer in JL but we are stuck). But they get continually out coached, play flat, inconsistent (not 60 minutes) and make stupid mistakes - all things that coaches should have corrected. Red flag %! How much proof do you need? So as others have agreed with, where is the coaching accountability? So tell me - WHY IS MLF A GOOD COACH? I didn't say he's the worst coach in the league.

This business about being 1-5 in the division is also a red herring when 4 of those games are to top teams. It's how we lost to them that the score doesn't show. But losing to the Bears on a 10 game losing streak? Where was the team pride today?

WHAT HAS MLF DONE TO KEEP HIS JOB?

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:44 pm

Exactly, but accept the swill you saw today as acceptable otherwise you are not a Packer Cultist. You have to follow blindly and don't criticize Mayor Matt and Emperor Gute. Don't demand excellence, I guess the Lombardi theories are printed in Greek since so many fans apparently can't understand any of them.

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Oppy's picture

January 06, 2025 at 06:51 am

Are you kidding me? Read the comments.

Get rid of Gute, Get rid of MLF, Hafley isn't working, Need to find a new QB1.

How do you figure this isn't blowing it all up?

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pacman's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:21 am

Good morning Oppy,

You're merging a lot of posts. Most posts aren't saying 'blow it all up'. There seems to be a lot of consensus focusing our ire on MLF. To continue the discussion, where are you on MLF? That's been my focus for years. Overall coaching all falls under him. I think we've had pretty reasonable talent under his tenure. He's the one holding us back.

After last weeks loss, Andy Herman had a nice video about Packers being pretenders or not. I wonder what this week will bring. I certainly hope Nagler doesn't start with his 'burn the tape game' again. Yet, that will only prove my point.

So what say you?

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Oppy's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:18 pm

I'd say look at his W-L and start with that.

Keep in mind, a large portion of the GB fan base, and the national sports media, believed the Packers were in for a miserable existence for at least two seasons without Rodgers at the helm.

I don't think MLF is perfect- he's got a lot to improve, but he's a good coach, a young coach, and he will continue to grow as all coaches do with more experience. Personally, I don't think he manages the preseason workload transition to regular season games well at all; in the same vein, he seems to struggle having his team ready to go coming out of the bye weeks as well.

That being said, what we've seen these last two seasons is not a lack of talent, or a lack of game planning in my opinion. Yes, there have been coaching mistakes, no doubt, but by and large It's been inconsistent execution that has hampered the Packers. inconsistent execution is an earmark of inexperienced teams, and this is the youngest team in the NFL two years running.

Don't have to agree with me, but as someone else stated.. don't go throwing out the baby with the bathwater. MLF is one of the better young coaches in the league. This team can and will win with MLF at the helm.

The last two seasons, MLF is 20-14 regular season. That's a .588 win percentage. If you posted a .588 win percentage over your NFL coaching career, that would literally put you at #33 NFL coach by win percentage in the 100+ years the league.. I have a hard time feeling like that is a sign a guy should be fired.

For what it's worth, if MLF's career ended today, he'd be the #10 coach all time by win percentage, (.670)

That's not likely to hold over the course of a career, of course, and I'm not suggesting he's an all-time historic coaching talent.. I'm trying to provide some perspective, something that seems widely lacking after yesterday's inexcusable loss.

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fthisJack's picture

January 06, 2025 at 08:21 am

Hafley is working until he goes Joe Barry and allows the Bears to get in FG range with his 3 man rush that never worked....EVER. And Basaccia needs to hit the unemployment line.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:37 am

1-5 in the division. That is not acceptable Packer play. We have standards here.

Poor coaching AGAIN, by a HC that is 6 years in. Not acceptable.

If you use your opponents in your division as a measuring stick, then YES questioning the Packers direction is legitimate. The Lions and the Vikings have drafted better, and coached better. This will have consequences for years to come.

Im not for blowing things up, your right bad organizations do that. But if we dont want to lose the window our young team has at a possible SB in the near future, we have to look closely at what is ailing this team. Putting our heads in the sand will not help anything.

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Aldo's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:11 pm

Way too many games where the d line can't penetrate. Way too many games where Love underthrows and/or overthrows receivers. Way too many poor calls, particulary when going for it on 4th down. Way too many receptions by opponents 10-15 yards from the line of scrimmage. Way too many games where there is little intensity shown in all aspects. Clean some things up? C'mon man, I've heard enough of that bs. Everything, and I mean everything and everyone needs to be put under the microscope this off season. I end this with an sense of embarrassment in being a Packer fan.

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Packers0808's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:41 pm

Then change teams, win or lose are a fan or not. You are not. Risible.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:47 am

What a sh(t take. So he is being critical he should change teams? Get real.

This team has talent and is young. That is 100% true. However, there does need to be some evaluation and looking glass going on this off season. Changes need to be made. Since its unlikely we will fire MLF, then we need other changes to give this team a better identity. Right now its identity is mediocracy.

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cheesehead1's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:13 pm

Disappointing to say the least. Looks like Love will be ok, but Watson is another story. Is he injury prone or just bad luck? Anything can happen in one game against Philly, but the vibes aren’t good. Hope they can bounce back. Win or lose GPG.

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Kevin Carpenter's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:21 pm

I like Watson and I don't wish him any ill will, but the fact that we traded up for him really hurts. 12+ missed games and he's averaging 500 yards and 4.5 touchdowns a year. For almost a first round pick, that's not enough.

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dobber's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:32 pm

Those non-contact knees happen 50 times a year (guesstimating) across the league and they're pretty much non-discriminating (Jordy Nelson?). Just bad luck.

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Strat's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:36 pm

Watson seems to be fragile. Some players are just like that. Maybe he puts together a full season at some point to show he isn't.

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:43 pm

The man is made of glass, he's busted both his knees on no-contact plays. I've known 70 years old with tougher bodies.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:15 pm

Wheres Coldworld...I hope he reposts what he said over at ACME Packers site...excellant read about MLF...good job Coldworld...

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dobber's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:33 pm

Why? It's the same stuff he posts every week...week after week.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:09 pm

What about cold worlds post?

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Kevin Carpenter's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:17 pm

What a disgraceful entrance to the playoffs. Sure, the commanders won, leaving us the 7 seed but come on. 1-5 in the division and easily could've/should've been 0-6. The playcalling was awful, the special teams had their worst performance of the year, the defense played reasonably well but continues to allow points and continued drives when they absolutely need a stop, and you pair that with a coach that inexplicably did everything in his power to preserve as much time as he could for the Bears at the end. Lafleur wasted 5 timeouts in this game. 3 before halftime with 30 seconds on the clock and down by one at home against a division rival knowing they're not going to get the ball in the second half, another when the clock should've been bleed TWICE on that final drive for GB and then the last on the field goal attempt. I'm not saying call it right before the kick, making him attempt it and playing that game, but what good is letting it sit there unused...? How else do you announce "We've given up"?

Lafleur has proven time and time again he simply doesn't have what it takes in big games. He is constantly getting out coached and the Packers simply cannot get the job done when they need to. Lafleur is a good coach and it reflects the team. GB is a reflection of him and as long as he is around GB will always be a good team, they will never be great.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:51 pm

Hey, Do you remember when Mike Holmgren couldn't beat the Dallas Cowboys or San Fransisco 49ers for like, what, 4 seasons.. until he did?

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:46 pm

Yeah those were Dynasties, not a good analogy. The 49ers team we lost to last year isn't even in the Playoffs this year along with the Dallas team we beat. Not the case with the Cowboys teams which went on to win Super Bowls in the 90s or the 49ers which Holmgren owned during and after the 96 Playoffs but were also a perennial playoff or championship team.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:22 pm

I'm talking about over-reacting because we struggled to win against (2) 14-3 and (1) 15-2 football teams. The analog here isn't specifically the Cowboys or the 9ers.

Let me help you out, boss.. "Lafleur has proven time and time again he simply doesn't have what it takes in big games."

From that same perspective, it could be argued that Mike Holmgren had proven time and time again he simply didn't have what it took in big games.. it took him 4 years to take what would become a SB champion team to get over the humps that were Dallas and the 49ers- to have what it takes in big games.

I suppose as a guy who runs a company and understands accountability, if you had been the GM, we would have never seen that championship team with Holmgren at the helm in GB. You would have held him accountable for failing multiple times to get past the Boys/9ers in the big games and sent him packing.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:51 am

Are you really comparing MH to MLF? Get real oppy. MLF is NO MH.

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Oppy's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:35 pm

Let me simplify the point I'm making since you're clearly missing it:

Just because you can't do something today, doesn't mean you will be incapable of doing it tomorrow.

My point is even a coach who I believe most Packers fans would consider a great coach, had profound difficulty getting his young program 'over the hump', to 'win the big games' as the original poster put it.

It didn't happen over night. We got thumped. With time we got close, but came up short. Eventually, Holmgren and the Packers grew their strength, learned how to win the big games, and then big games were won.

It took years to put it all together.

To say MLF has proven he "can't win the big games" and therefore it's time to move on from him because we lost 5 games in 2024 to the top teams by a small margin is silly.

You can't win the big games, until you can. I see no reason to believe this team can't learn how to win the big games. It takes time to grow into a giant.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 06, 2025 at 08:16 pm

McCarthy won 13 games in his second season, and won the super bowl in his 5th. He was also coach of the year. He transitioned through Favre's bullshit quit/not quit/quit/not quit roller coaster to Rodgers, whom he legitimately crafted into an NFL quarterback, MVP and super bowl champ. There is a standard.

I will be sick if McCarthy winds up coaching the Bears. Legit sick. As a man and as a leader MLF couldn't carry McCarthy's jock.

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EricTorkelson's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:24 pm

When the Packers played prevent on third and long ... Why Why, doesn't MFL know the history the 4th and 23 vs the niners in 97# the fourth and 26 vs the Seahawks in 2015? there are so many, and now another prevent catastrophe entering into Packer Folklore ... How could our beloved MLF not know our history ( HOW )

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Kevin Carpenter's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:30 pm

I saw the play, then I saw the timeout. I said "Oh, thank God they're not going to rush 3 and play prevent" and Hafley+Lafleur slapped me right in the face with the same call on the following play. Sitting back in prevent when the offense needs 15 yards to get in field goal range is inexcusable. Especially when anything further downfield would've resulted in a clock that wouldn't have been stopped in time. The offense was not coached well, the special teams were a disaster and the defense collapsed twice when it mattered the most. Just a sad performance overall, at home, against a division rival, and especially losing two straight leading into the playoffs. 0-3 in the division at home, great way to treat the fans.

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Grand Mooster J's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:32 pm

The defense in the play prior to the game winning FG was... uh... novel: 'Let's give them 20 yards and see if they can make the kick!!' Pack found out. Scariest aspect is that LaFleur and company were thoroughly out coached.

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Matt's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:37 pm

I know you don't need my words but I need to write it to feel better.
1. If there was a plan to play with half energy it was better to rest the starters instead of taking a sure loss to the weak Bears.
2. Hafley's defense is better than Barry's in general, but equal or even worse when it comes to clutch moments. I can't remember any crucial stops made by them. I can't watch this soft coverage on 3rd and longs. Especially during the last drive. Soft coverage in this situation gives you nothing! Why do you think the pass will be incomplete when you don't pressure the QB and leave receivers open in 1st down teritory? Why? Blitz him and you have 50/50 chances of success. Explosive play is as bad as this stupid 1st down in this last drive.
3. Our receivers alwyas have contested catches while our opponents are running free all around the field. Is this overrated receiver room? Lac of quality DB's? Poor scheme?
4. This year we had better first half of the season, but last year we entered playoffs surfing on upwave. After bye I really thought we are going in right direction. Last 2 games was a breakdown. Mental breakdown.
5. As bad as we played today, we'd win with better time management before the kick.
6. It looks like there are no plays or any plans for Willis when Love starts. He goes out there and this is the point they start thinking what to do with him. Why was't there any single designed run?
7. Why there are no runs planned also for Love the whole season. Mayfield, Darnold are pocket QBs and they have much more yds rushing.
8. Now some of you convinced me we will be one and done. I feel bad admitting it. As bad as it is, a consolation prize for me would me extending Bears streak. This hurts the most, but the day was to come at some point, wasn't it?
9. Good point we have a deep RB room + Lloyd for next season, kicker, punter, some quality in OL and safety + rising star Cooper. The rest is a mess. Coaching including.
10. What was it with this TD return? It was embarassing to watch. I wouldn't even call it a fake.

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Grand Mooster J's picture

January 05, 2025 at 05:44 pm

The defense in the play prior to the game winning FG was... uh... novel: 'Let's give them 20 yards and see if they can make the kick!!' Pack found out. Scariest aspect is that LaFleur and company were thoroughly out coached.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:00 pm

The first time I read this, I was like, "what does that guy know, anyhow?"

But then, when I read it -this- time, I was like, "Oh, yeah, I totally see where he's coming from now that I read it twice."

;)

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greengold's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:40 pm

Rich Bisaccia should have been sent to clean out his office at halftime. Not having your PR group ready, not even looking for the ball? Really?

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Major Snafu's picture

January 05, 2025 at 06:56 pm

Trying to be pragmatic, this is an average football team that played the weak sisters of the NFL this year. Vikes lions thrived, packers didn't cut it against good teams. Why
Passing game is hit and miss. No consistentcy with receivers and Love was so so. Running game okay and online pass rush okay. Pass d and special teams below avg and costing the team victories. Not gonna get any easier next year, lions vikes and bears get to draft too

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:28 pm

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Rebelgb's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:55 am

And both those organizations have done a better job of drafting the last few years, so thats not good for us.

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NFLfan's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:11 pm

The Packers move verrrry slowly and will take 3-4 years to move on from MLF, Bisaccia, Gute.

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:22 pm

This isn't about me...it's about the GBPs.

But, my Packer stock is not going to aid me with an early retirement like I had calculated.

Shat, my other half was in Enron.

Pantz in a Trantz

Now, they will have to pry my framed Packer Stock out of my cold, lifeless fingers BUT just for giggles thinking about listing it on Chicago's Craig'slist (and surrounding area) to see if I get any hits? The commentary could be rather priceless.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:55 am

Thanks for the laugh! This thread needed it badly!!

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canadapacker's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:28 pm

All that I can say is RELAX - we are in the show before this game and after this game. And since MM didnt help us out - the only thing that mattered was losing to the Bears. It might have just been a pay back with our blocked field goal win against them the first game. Now what I am pzzed off about is our failure to have a good play or two for the two point conversion and for not being able to run out the clock to win the game with zero time left. But that is something that Lafleur needs to work on next season. Other than that - lets get ready for Barkley and the rest of those Phillie fans.

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Gregory's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:34 pm

"obviously," "I should have tied my shoes"

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 05, 2025 at 08:51 pm

My shoe came untied the other day when I was running intervals on the treadmill. I even DOUBLE tied it, and it still came untied.

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Gregory's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:35 pm

Another skip on the high percentage FG to go for it on fourth failure in the first half

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lpirlot's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:38 pm

Hey, MLF finally won a challenge!!

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Major Snafu's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:49 pm

My issue with LeFLower. I say he is coaching with someone elses brain.
He stood around and learned certain things for his head coaches and tries to use those things he learned which is fine for some of it but he hasnt the ability to come up with his own thing.
He is coaching someone elses style and cant figure out his own game plan. Other then run run run which is really brilliant.

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Rebelgb's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:57 am

This may be the most spot on comment ever on MLF. Never thought of it that way, and I think you may be right. He certainly seems to be in over his head. Never thought id be one to join the bandwagon and say that.

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Oppy's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:39 pm

I suggest you watch any of the (now many) ex-NFL QB's who break down game film on youtube. Watch them break down some Packers games.
They all rave about MLF's play design and play calling. Yes, they occasionally question him, but for the most part.. they are huge fans of what he's doing in GB.

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Gregory's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:40 pm

Too many targeted throws to Doubs today...oops...wait a minute...was Doubs targeted once?

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PackAttackJack's picture

January 05, 2025 at 08:26 pm

He was inactive.

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Packers0808's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:42 pm

Packers play 4:30 Sunday

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:58 pm

Excellent, I will schedule my root canal for then.

Just funnin, they will be at the Eagles. I don't know how, but they will. No guarantees after that though.

Love and Persistence,
Pantz

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harleycops's picture

January 05, 2025 at 07:47 pm

Remember what Vince said: "What the H.... is going on here? LaFleuzy and his coaching crew have failed woefully short of any championship team. On paper, we're 11-6, but I feel like we're 6-11 drafting 12th in April. Love has become a concern. If you observe his play, it is nothing like it was. He's become whimpy and soft in his passing. There's no aggressive play, but check offs, slants, and RB receivers. If he doesn't fire the ball right away, then I get concerned that his WRs aren't getting open like they should and he'll get sacked for a huge loss.. Our play calling has likewise gone soft. 3 & out to take time off the clock, and, we give Bears plenty of open WRs to get into winning FG range.

And where is our Packer pride on this team: letting da'Bears win their first game in 57 years at Lambeau? That should be a complete NO-WAY on this team, but like I say - I don't think we're as tough as we used to be., not to mention Special teams getting faked out by a ghost punt catch while the returner with the ball flies down the sidelines. . Dagummit PackerNation, we're going to Philly, but beating them will be as much a miracle as walking on water.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:14 pm

Re: Fearing Love getting sacked, taking huge loss

Why would you fear this? Love is one of the more elusive QBs in the backfield. He's hard to tackle and gets rid of the ball when under duress.

There's more than 32 other QBs in the league who have been sacked more than Love in 2024 (think about that for a second) and he's only given up 95 sack yards.. that's 36th in the league (1st being most sack yards), and equates to a loss of about 2.5 yards per sack on average.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

January 05, 2025 at 09:07 pm

La Fleur will be pressured to give up the playcalling at some point next year or the year after. After six or seven frustrating years, management will finally realize that he's not sharp enough to handle both the playcalling and the myriad decisions a head coach has to make during a game. When thinking of the next play, he neglects the time, and when he concentrates on the time, he panics and either calls an untimely time-out or a bad play. He's Eberflus but with better talent that often covers up his mistakes.

His offensive playcalling is atrocious. Jaydon Reed is the Packers' best receiver, a tremendous young talent who could be used like Amon St. Brown. He is conceivably a #1 receiver, as he was last year and early this year. Inexplicably, La Fleur stopped using him in the second half of this season. He's targetted him at most 3 or 4 times a game; one game, not at all. Doubs is a terrific possession receiver, not a #1 but a damn good #2. Watson doesn't run short routes well but is an excellent deep threat. La Fleur should use them accordingly, with Reed getting the most targets. Nope. Even Wicks has been getting more play than Reed. Love isn't bad at throwing over the middle, but that's not the game La Fleur calls for him; it's all sideline or deep throws. La Fleur has no idea how to use his talent best. The running game has improved, so he went all in on the run and completely lost track of the fact that you still need a passing game in this league. We don't have a legit passing game at the moment, and it's not the receivers, all of whom were pretty good last year.

It all reminds me of the Dom Capers years. The fans knew Capers was awful years before management finally had to acknowledge that fact. I'm afraid we're in for more years of similar frustration.

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NFLfan's picture

January 05, 2025 at 09:50 pm

Matt La Fleur needs a really good OC (not Stenavich), to game plan and call plays. Matt could assist w/ game planning but he is just not on the level of the best play-callers. GB won't do anything though-Bisaccia should have been let go 2 years ago. Barry over-stayed forever.

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:07 pm

Right now it’s Detroit 31, Minnesota 9. About 5 minutes left in 4th quarter.

Are the Sköl Brothers calling for O’Connel’s and Aaron Glenn’s heads?

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:16 pm

That's crazy.

I remember the Packers losing to Detroit- when Detroit had more of their defense intact- by 3 points and by 10 points.

Which seems odd seeing how the Packers are complete garbage and the Vikings are a quality team.

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:20 pm

Same page, amigo!

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Major Snafu's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:46 pm

No because the Vikes are talented all over the place and tonignt, one night things didnt click. Darnold just didnt have it. But he did win 14 games unlike Love who won what 9.
The vikes lost to the second best team in the nfl, the Packers lost to the fourth worse team in the NFL. The difference in talent is not even on the same planet.
The Vikes have Darnold, Daniels, Mullens and McCarthy on payroll. We have Love and Willis and both are about equal.

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Oppy's picture

January 06, 2025 at 06:43 am

Just stop with the charade.

Everyone knows you're a Vikings fan.

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NFLfan's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:29 pm

There is a marked difference between the Vikings coaches/players and GB's coaches/players.
I was impressed by the player competence on both Lions/Viking's teams. Both are excellent.

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Oppy's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:37 pm

Hey.. if Watson's injury, uh.. is what we think it might be...

How about Tyreek Hill in green and gold?

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harleycops's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:27 am

TH in green/gold would be firepower we haven't had since DA. Problem is Love has to be able to get it to him w/o giving it up to the other team. As for CWatson, are his days in GB over? High salary, low production. Injury after injury. He's a pretzel, not able to stay healthy and productive. I wish it different, but just saying....

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Rebelgb's picture

January 06, 2025 at 10:02 am

Well im going to disagree with the "high salary" thing. He is on a rookie contract. High salary compared to mine? Holy sh(t you bet! High salary NFL standards? Not even close.

Now the rest I agree with. Even if we have to keep him (and I think we will one more year), we have to assume he is done going forward and draft or acquire a top receiver. If Watson comes back at some point and contributes all the better.

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Major Snafu's picture

January 05, 2025 at 10:42 pm

I still find it amazing that our nemesis the Vikings kept ahead of us because there GM drafted a top defensive end who isnt even playing because he also went out and got TWO pass defenders in free agency and both have 11 sacks this year and are pro bowlers.
The point, your packers are going nowhere soon because the Vikes have no problem bringing in talent and keeping the status quo. they arent trying to develop people for three years down the road, they are playing to win now with players who can play now.
The Packers are beating a dead horse but it worked when you had two hof QB's in a row. You got away with it. Now, Love, too bad this team is going nowhere, this year or next.
The difference is the GM for the Packers is rewarded for cheap ball. The other GM's are getting green lights to acquire talent to fill holes.

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coolhand's picture

January 06, 2025 at 04:10 am

Darnold showed his true colors in this game. He's been terrible every team he has played for, but for some reason has played lights out this year.

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Packers0808's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:28 am

Remember reading this kind of crap from haters in 2010 when Packers were 10-6 and won it all. Just sit back shut up and watch, after all it is just a game.

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

January 05, 2025 at 11:04 pm

Need to watch to Xavier Mckinney's post game locker room interview - sums up everything succinctly and perfectly about the performance of this team and not just for this game. It is on you tube - love that guy, a team leader and the type of player we need more of. Reminds me of what Charles Woodson brought to this team. Take the time, the guy is impressive 👏

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greengold's picture

January 06, 2025 at 06:24 am

I will gladly 2nd that, GBS. Agree 100%

McKinney wants the prize, the ultimate prize of winning the Lombardi Trophy and a Super Bowl ring. His comments echo much of what has been stated in terms of general sentiment we've all read and shared here regarding the Packers recent losses.

Q: What dwould you like to see corrected from this one performance?

A: EVERYTHING. I mean, it is what it is. (Long exhale). It's the same stuff every week.... the guys individually, everybody's gotta look at themselves and say: "What do we want to do?" You know, "How far do we want to take this?" And, uh, I just think that's the reality of it. It's us against us. These are self inflicted wounds.

There's a hella lot more good stuff from Xavier on this. Paraphrasing: "When you get to the fight, you gotta fight." "Everything we need is right here."

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Major Snafu's picture

January 05, 2025 at 11:07 pm

How in the F did Hafly sit Cooper and play that stiff Walker? That is a question that must be addressed because Hafly needs to understand who can and cant play and I dont think he is any good at that, either that or he was told Gutts guys, his one picks have to get priority or it makes the GM look bad.

Stokes, Alexander, Wyatt, Walker, Reed, Watson are just not very good football players. But we suit em up because they were Gutts picks and thats all that matters.
I still say he is the worst GM in football but he saves the packers org money by not getting top free agents.

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the_gavia_pass's picture

January 06, 2025 at 04:40 am

gute was better at the beginnning....then murphy teached him how things MUST go in green bay. no all in...develop e good team not for SB but for perennial playoffs...because that give them the best money...SB is a great risk because you lose money at some point

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EnemyTerritory's picture

January 06, 2025 at 06:57 am

“I still say he is the worst GM in football but he saves the packers org money by not getting top free agents”.

Jacobs? Xavier McKinney? Just what free agents should the GM have acquired? How should they have been squeezed under the salary cap with $66 million in dead cap money (dang near a quarter of the salary cap). I’m not going to defend all the draft picks but this is also a violent game and players get injured. That’s not on them, that’s the nature of the beast. Some like Stokesnever seem to recover despite returning to the field. Others like Bahk (18m dead cap) cost roster flexibility because their careers are ended. I’m not a GM or scout but sure, cut Reed and a healthy Watson. The teams that sign them will thank you for your knee jerk reactions

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jimtalkbox's picture

January 06, 2025 at 08:44 am

The Packers are occasionally a "good" team but have been surpassed, by a wide margin, by the Lions and Vikings. Going 1-5 in division games is a disgrace.

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