The lack of attention to detail is, I think, a big part of it. Being in the right place at the right time and with the correct body position is key. It’s a big part of what Adams realized. It’s easy to forget that Adams was sloppy as a route runner coming out. He has credited a large part of his turnaround to changing that and becoming a superlative route runner, and thus putting himself in the best position to catch the ball every time.

Wicks is so good at getting open, but it’s not through route perfection. However, improvisation is good but often means his position in relation to expectations is off, making catches harder than they need to be. I honestly think that if he can grasp that it takes two to pass and marry that skill with consistency, then he has great upside. Whether he can make that mental step and achieve that is, however, largely down to him. Its probably not an overnight evolution either, unfortunately.

Agree 100%!

Wicks is not the problem.
Watson is not the problem.
Other receivers are not the problem.

As just one of many examples, just go back and watch Al’s posting of 2 videos of 2 throws Jordan made this past week to Watson and Wicks. You can watch these on Packers Vs. Lions - 3 Plays That Make You Go Hmmm.

My wife and I and 2 of our sons have been watching the Packers together for many years and we watched Als’ 2 videos.

What stood out most to all of us more than anything else were that 2 of Jordan's 3 throws were very poorly thrown, timed and inaccurate.

The 4th quarter throw to Wicks which starts at 7 seconds of the video has Jordan off balance and throwing off one leg and as you said "certainly was thrown behind him". Wicks was running full speed to the right sideline and had to twist himself around severely to attempt to catch the ball.

Jordan's throw to Watson in the 2nd video was even worse than the 4th quarter throw to Wicks . Christian is running full speed to the right sideline and also has to stop his momentum and do a pirouette and miraculously makes the catch. In fact, Christian probably saved Jordan from yet another interception on that play.

Wide receivers should not have to be contortionists and ballerinas and gymnasts to catch passes.

It would be terrible if Watson or Wicks is not resigned when the time comes when the REAL problem is Jordan and hence Gutekunst - the biggest problem of all.

Also consider the fact that Watson EXCELLED with Rodgers throwing to him and has only had trouble with Jordan throwing to him. Although the sample size is limited, Watson also had no trouble with Malik throwing to him.

Watson had a 112.8 passer rating with Rodgers throwing to him and has had a 71.4 (2023) and 69.7 (2024) passer rating with Jordan throwing to him.

in other words Rodgers had a higher completion % per pass attempt, lower interception % per pass attempt, higher TD pass % per pass attempt, and greater yards per pass attempt than Jordan when throwing to Watson over the 62 pass attempts from Rodgers and pass attempts 53 (2023) and now 25 (2024) pass attempts from Jordan.

The reason Watson had no problem with Rodgers’ passes and has a problem with Love’s passes is that Watson is your intermediate and long distance threat. Passes of these distance require the quarterback to be:

1) Accurate – longer passes require some times more arc, sometimes more velocity, always more distance, all which require more arm strength and touch than the shorter check downs

2) Throw the ball on time – not too early, not too late – timing is more difficult to get right on longer and intermediate throws than shorter throws – you have see and process time and space

3) As important as #1 and #2, the QB must be aware of the defensive scheme he is facing, part of having situational awareness.

All the Packers receivers would be doing better with a QB that had more situational awareness and was an accurate, but those receivers that are being used more as deep threats are OBSOLETE with Jordan throwing – which is a real shame , especially for Watson and to a lesser degree Wicks and Melton. Jordan is not a franchise QB, and Gutekunst is not a competent GM.

Very clear to me.

Rodgers – with a broken thumb - had Watson – as a rookie - for 8 games in 2022 – and in just 8 games produced 28 completions, 6 touchdowns, just 1 interception and most of the 508 yards. If Rodgers (or Lamar or Mahomes or Burrow) had Watson – as he did in 2022 – Watson would have 35 completions and 7 TDs by now and 80 receptions and 15 TDs by the end of the season – at least.

Watson is a game breaker with Randy Moss type skills.

Watson's deep threat skills are OBSOLETE with a QB like Jordan - Jordan cannot connect time and space, does not buy time with his feet, is not fundamentally sound with his feet. balance or throwing motion. He is a lower tier NFL starter - maybe not even a starter - as Defensive Coordinators now know his weaknesses, which are becoming more apparent with each passing week. AND - Jordan does not buy his long threat receivers time with movement in and outside the pocket.

Current and future winning QBs are all going to be dual threats - we are seeing it already and Jordan is not that.

The cat in Alien. He ends up OK.

lol. he's having a senior moment

I meant Jacobs. I fixed it.

I rarely give down votes, but if you don't think Watson is an asset as a blocker, you deserve one.

Not only is he not "awful", but Watson is actually a very effective blocker. You're the one who seems not to be watching.

Amen.

Watson has Randy Moss type skills - not only a seriously dangerous deep threat but a very dangerous red zone threat and a very good blocker as well.

Of the 16 touchdowns you mention 14 are receiving touchdowns and 6 of those receiving touchdowns were with Rodgers over just 4 of the 8 games starting with Dallas when Watson was seeing more time.

The problems for Wicks and Watson and Melton (the deep threats) are who the QB is that is throwing to them. They are obsolete as deep threats with Jordan at the helm. With Jordan deep it is either an interception or underthrown or behind them or too far in front of them, etc. - the facts are clear:

Jordan threw 5 times as many interceptions (5 interceptions , 9.4% per target) when throwing to Watson in 2023 than Rodgers did in 2022 (1 interception, 1.6% per target ), even though Rodgers threw 21% more passes to Watson than Jordan did. And Rodgers threw more TD passes to Watson as well - 6 to Jordan's 5. I will take the Touchdown passes without the interceptions.

This year, 2024, Jordan is throwing interceptions on 8% (2 interceptions ) of the times (25 targets) Jordan has targeted Watson.

Rodgers in 2022 – playing with a broken thumb on his throwing hand - threw to Watson 62 times for 38 completions - a 61.3% completion rate with 508 yards, 6 touchdowns and 1 interception for a passer rating of 112.8.

Jordan in 2023 threw to Watson 53 times for 28 completions - a 52.8% completion rate with 422 yards, with 5 touchdowns and 5 interceptions for a passer rating of 71.4

Jordan in 2024 has thrown to Watson 25 times for 14 completions - a 56% completion rate – for 166 yards with 2 touchdowns and 2 interceptions for a passer rating of 69.7.

In the one full game that Malik Willis played with Christian Watson - 2 pass attempts, 2 completions, 67 yards, 0 Tds, 0 Int. passer rating 118.7. Small sample size, but an indication of what can be.

Lafleur recognizes the limitations of Jordan and recognizes also that Watson can be used in short and intermediary depth passes and especially in the Red Zone, but on the intermediate passes you have to worry about Jordan's Hospital Balls. Lafleur certainly knows this and I will bet would love to be starting Willis.

Time will tell.

more than half way through the season Watson has 16 catches for 233 yards and 2 tds. that's a whopping 29 ypg for those of you not doing math at home. is that average enough for you? what difference does it make how tall he is?

lol

Wicks has had bad hands going back to college. Davante had one year of drops. If the guy can't catch the ball, throw it to someone who can.