Packers Snap Counts Vs. Washington: Week 2, 2025
Packers defense stifles Washington in a convincing win.
The Packers elevated OT Brant Banks and CB Micah Robinson from the practice squad. It is the second elevation for Robinson. Brenton Cox was placed on injured reserve. The Packers have an open roster spot. Zach Tom, Aaron Banks, Zayne Anderson, and Bo Melton were inactive due to injury. Brinson and Sims were healthy scratches. Robinson, Donovan Jennings, and Malik Willis did not play. Jayden Reed broke his collar bone early in the game and is expected to be out for 6 weeks or more.
OFFENSIVE LINE:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| Walker | 68 | 100 | 6/21% |
| Rhyan | 68 | 100 | 6/21% |
| Morgan | 68 | 100 | 6/21% |
| Jenkins | 68 | 100 | |
| Belton | 51 | 75 | 6/21% |
| Kinnard | 17 | 25 | 6/21% |
| Brant | 0 | 0 | 4/14% |
| Jennings | DNP | DNP |
The offensive line without Tom and Banks looked much the same. The Packers do have a type. Josh Jacobs gained 84 yards on 23 carries for a 3.65-yard average. The rushing attack was bolstered by some trick plays to finish with 135 yards on the ground on 30 carries for a 4.5-yard average. It also gets an assist from the blocking of the TEs, WRs and running backs. There was a little more push evident but there were no big holes. The holding call on Rhyan was weak.
The pass protection was very good. The line allowed only 4 QB hits and 2 sacks, both of which were coverage sacks. Love had ample time and he often used all that was provided. Standards for the offensive line are very high in Green Bay.
RUNNING BACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Jacobs | 53 | 78 | 1/4% |
| Brooks | 13 | 19 | 17/61% |
| Wilson | 5 | 7 | 4/14% |
Jacobs navigated through a lot of trash to gain 84 hard yards. He did not look special in this game. Neither Brooks nor Emanuel Wilson carried the ball. Brooks caught 3 of his 4 targets for 27 yards. The backs all provided solid pass protection. Savion Williams and Matthew Golden combined to gain 40 yards on 4 carries and Love scrambled 3 times for 12 yards.
TIGHT ENDS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Kraft | 62 | 91 | 1/4% |
| Musgrave | 21 | 31 | 10/36% |
| Fitzpatrick | 21 | 31 | 9/32% |
Kraft caught 6 of 7 targets for 124 yards, a 20.7-yard average. He broke at least tackles, moved the chains and scored a touchdown. He blocked well and was not asked to chip as much as last week. He is a complete tight end. Musgrave caught both of his targets for 32 yards. Fitzpatrick blocked better. He had a phantom holding penalty called on him.
WIDE RECEIVERS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Doubs | 50 | 74 | 1/4% |
| Golden | 40 | 59 | 3/11% |
| Wicks | 37 | 54 | 1/4% |
| Heath | 22 | 32 | 9/32% |
| Williams | 11 | 16 | 5/18% |
| Reed | 5 | 7 |
Wicks caught 4 of 6 passes for 44 yards. He moved the chains and showed some good hands. Doubs caught 3 of 5 for 28, including a slant for a touchdown. Heath caught his only target for 37 yards, doing a nice job to get both feet in bounds. Golden was targeted twice but had no receiving yards. He was open on a post but Love was late throwing the pass, forcing Golden to slow almost to a stop and allowing the defender to catch up and break up the pass. Golden had a step on a deep pass but Love overthrew him.
QUARTERBACKS: 1.0
| Player | snaps | % | STs |
| Love | 68 | 100 | |
| Willis | DNP |
Love completed 19 of 31 attempts (61.29%) for 292 yards (9.42 yds/attempt) and 2 touchdowns with no interceptions. He had a 113.9 passer rating. He scrambled 3 times for 12 yards. That is a good performance by any objective standard. He was close to having some phenomenal numbers but missed Golden on some passes. That connection looked strong in training camp and is likely to improve as the regular season progresses. He threw more passes away than normal despite having ample time on a regular basis. He completed more than 50% of his passes that traveled over 20 yards in the air. Sometimes, I get spoiled due to the quality of the quarterbacks in Green Bay for the last 35 years.
DEFENSE:
The defense once again was stifling, holding Washington to 18 points with 15 of those points coming in the fourth quarter. The Commanders were held to 230 total yards. They held Washington to just 51 rushing yards on a 2.7-yard average and limited Jayden Daniels to an 85 passer rating. The Packers had 12 QB hits and 4 sacks while keeping Daniels from hurting them with his legs.
DEFENSIVE TACKLE:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Wyatt | 51 | 74 | |
| Brooks | 48 | 70 | 10/36% |
| Wooden | 21 | 30 | 5/18% |
| Stackhouse | 3 | 4 | 6/21% |
Brooks had 3 assisted tackles and a QB hit. Wyatt had 2 solo tackles including a tackle for loss, 2 QB hits and a sack. He also batted two passes down. Wooden had 1 solo tackles and Stackhouse had no statistics. Stackhouse only plays on goal line and other short yardage situations. Wooden received far fewer snaps than last week despite playing well. The line was stout and disciplined, keeping Daniels in the pocket.
DEFENSIVE END:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Parsons | 48 | 68 | |
| Gary | 43 | 62 | |
| Van Ness | 35 | 51 | 14/50% |
| Enagbare | 20 | 29 | 13/46% |
| Sorrell | 8 | 12 |
Parsons had 2 assisted tackles, 3 QB hits, and a half sack. He also led the team in double teams, being held, receiving hands to the face, and pressures. Van Ness had 3 solo tackles, a tackle for loss and a QB hit. Gary had 3 tackles (2 solo), a QB hit, a tackle for loss and a sack. Enagbare had 2 solo tackles. Sorrell had an assisted tackle, a QB hit and a half sack. The tackling was sound and the pressure was consistent.
LINEBACKERS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Walker | 69 | 100 | 5/18% |
| Cooper | 68 | 99 | 5/18% |
| McDuffie | 7 | 10 | 21/75% |
| Hopper | 0 | 0 | 16/57% |
| Niemann | 16/57% |
Cooper had 10 tackles (7 solo), 2 QB hits, and a half sack. He continues to shoot gaps to wreak havoc. Walker had 8 tackles (4 solo) and a QB hit. Both Cooper and Quay Walker blitzed up the A gap a few times, and looked great doing so. McDuffie had 1 solo tackle in limited snaps. The Packers staying in nickel most of the game since the defensive tackles and ends were stout and got pressure with four.
DEFENSIVE BACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Mckinney | 69 | 100 | 12/43% |
| Williams | 69 | 100 | 11/39% |
| Nixon | 69 | 100 | 8/29% |
| Bullard | 58 | 84 | 11/39% |
| Valentine | 42 | 61 | 8/29% |
| Hobbs | 32 | 46 | 4/14% |
| Olapado | 12/43% | ||
| Hadden | 3/11% | ||
Javon Bullard had 5 solo tackles. He played well. He forced Daniels out of bounds and played much better in coverage. Hobbs had 1 solo tackle. He looked intriguing and his ability to play the slot and the perimeter should prove useful. Evan Williams had 4 tackles (2 solo) and McKinney had 3 tackles. The pass interference penalty on McKinney was a bad call. Keisean Nixon had 2 solo tackles and 5 passes defenses. My apologies to Mr. Nixon for doubting his abilities as a full-time perimeter cornerback.
SPECIAL TEAMS:
McManus made 2 of 3 field goals including a 56-yarder, and all of his extra points. Whelen bombed several punts, 4 for 213 yards, a 53.5 yard average. However, he had a touch back, none inside the 50, and the coverage units allowed 3 significant returns. Washington had 3 returns for 50 yards. Green Bay returned 3 punts for a total of 1 yard, an average of 0.33 yards per punt return. Washington also had a 50-yard kickoff return. Washington had wonderful field position for large chunks of the game, and it probably was what kept fans on the edge of their seats. The defense was excellent, but they had to be really good because they had little margin for error.
Statistics and snaps counts courtesy of nflgsis.
Photo courtesy of William Glasheen, USA Today Network.
WR: 2.43
TE: 1.53
RB: 1.04
DT: 1.78
DE: 2.23
LB: 2.09
DB: 4.91
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Comments (62)
SicSemperTyrannis
September 12, 2025 at 05:59 am
GREAT article! TYVM :)
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 06:40 am
I used a photo of Javan Bullard in part because he played well and in part because I arguably have written not so nice things about him. I liked Hobbs, too. I think there might be opportunities for using Hobbs and Bullard in the slot based on opponent and situation. It is also fun having competent inside linebackers and Edge guys who set the edge and can tackle. There are no obvious liabilities on defense.
I might go look at a highlight clip of the Packers vs. Cowboys in the 2023 wild card playoff game just to see if green bay held Parsons every play, at least every play they didn't hit his face/head.
Reed is probably out until November. I hope the connection between Golden and Love heats up because I don't think the other guys can really step it up more than a little bit. I think what Doubs gave us is what he has. I still harbor bigger hopes for Wicks, though. Nothing wrong with having a go to guy.
Morgan looked comfortable at left guard, but we still need more push and better holes. Belton only got reps at tackle. I thought he looked serviceable though I see people noting that the scoring drives came with Kinnard at RT. I don't know if that is accurate or not: Kinnard only played 17 snaps and the Packers scored on 5 different drives (and missed a 48-yard field goal as time ran out in the first half), so it is highly unlikely that Belton was not the RT on some of those drives. GB scored 3 TDs and 2 field goals, after all.
murf7777
September 12, 2025 at 07:56 am
With Reed going out, watch out for Wicks, he has Adam like moves and very difficult to defend. He just needs to catch the ball at a high rate. It’s obvious it’s going to take a bit for Love and Golden hook up becomes consistent. One thing that was notable is how open Golden was on the long pass play. That connection will happen soon.
Coldworld
September 12, 2025 at 08:38 am
With Reed out, I suspect Golden gets more opportunities on the slot. I think that will help him get going. That should open more opportunities for Wicks too. I think they promote Hardman and to have him return punts primarily. Losing Reed means we should be more protective of Golden and get him off returns for now at least. The results haven’t justified the risk.
murf7777
September 12, 2025 at 08:59 am
I agree, Golden get’s more reps at slot and we are lucky to have good depth at WR with Reed and Watson out. One thing that stood out on the negative was our two rookies on ST’s. Golden catching a punt on the 5 and Williams taking a KO out of the EZ.
dobber
September 12, 2025 at 08:47 am
I don't like to see Wicks on those deep routes. The coverage catches up with him so easily.
Coldworld
September 12, 2025 at 01:16 pm
Wicks wins with burst and agility. He’s better on intermediate routes where those come into play more. However, that doesn’t mean he can’t play the perimeter, just militates for different route trees. If you want a go route or similar from someone not named Golden, then it’s going to need to be Williams for now.
dobber
September 12, 2025 at 08:46 am
"Javon Bullard had 5 solo tackles. He played well."
This must've pained you to write! ;)
Coldworld
September 12, 2025 at 09:14 am
Bullard faced perhaps the ideal opposing offensive design for him and, critically, hard Hobbs available in many passions scenarios where Bullard can be over matched. That allowed Bullard to showcase what he is very good at.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 09:25 am
Touche
dblbogey
September 12, 2025 at 03:27 pm
I appreciate the article and info. I saw PFF's rating of Morgan was pretty horrible, for what that's worth. I was hoping Morgan would step up and take either the LT or RG spot. I thought it interesting that Belton got so many snaps, I guess as 2nd round rookie, that's a good sign.
BuckyBadger
September 12, 2025 at 06:44 am
Everything is easier when you have a pass rush. Coverage can hold longer, blitzes are more effective as they are deployed more strategically then when it is needed to generate a pass rush and as stated here you can stay in a base nickel package because the front 4 is causing havoc in the opponents backfield. We got ourselves a bully in Green Bay. I have been waiting 20 years to say that. We have had some real good teams and even won a title but we where never the bully on the block.
murf7777
September 12, 2025 at 07:51 am
Correction, you’ve been waiting 15 years. The 2010 SB team had the #1 defense. Matthews and Woodson, two of my favorite Packers, led a great defense. This defense might be better, it’s too early, time will tell.
murf7777
September 12, 2025 at 07:11 am
Dude did you sleep last night, thanks the article, I wait for this one everyone morning after!!:….What a great win. Rinse and repeat back to back, LOVE it.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 07:45 am
I forgot the Special Teams section, but added it around 6:15 am. I just realized I forgot the Quarterback section completely! I just added that now. Yeah, getting up at 2 am can be a challenge.
Ferrari-Driver
September 12, 2025 at 05:09 pm
TGR, I agree "Yeah, getting up at 2 am can be a challenge."
I unfortunately do it most every night...take a leak and head back to bed. Lots of us older guys have to do it. By the way, I always read and enjoy your articles.
Snap the ball
September 12, 2025 at 07:13 am
Jordan has a little hitch when he throws the long shot or a double pump needs to correct that
Snap the ball
September 12, 2025 at 07:14 am
Commanders missed two field goals. Lucky
Coldworld
September 12, 2025 at 08:39 am
We missed one.
Guam
September 12, 2025 at 08:52 am
All three were lengthy. Even with today's kickers, fifty yard field goals are not a given.
dblbogey
September 12, 2025 at 03:31 pm
From over 50 yards. We'll give you the 6 points, so you only lost by 3. Congratulations.
tobinrote
September 12, 2025 at 07:15 am
i just cannot believe what i am seeing from the D. are the gods setting us up only to dash our legitimately raised expectations. my only complaint is those white unies, when it is the beauty of that green and gold that one is faithful to. and maybe Love missing on two long throws, but he did not throw any interceptable balls like he did against the Lions. and the gang tackling!!! the plain energy on display with the D...
Snap the ball
September 12, 2025 at 07:17 am
Wooden. Mcduffie Stackhouse. And a few others. Needed more snaps also Hooper also
murf7777
September 12, 2025 at 08:03 am
Why would they need more snaps? Get your best on the field and be dominate. Pretty hard to question what Hafley has done since he got in Green Bay.
Doug_In_Sandpoint
September 12, 2025 at 08:34 am
MLF better be looking for another D coordinator. Maybe have him or her watch the games from Harley’s lap.
dobber
September 12, 2025 at 08:49 am
Hafley might be selective, especially if the Packers come up short this year....Johnson and Glenn both stuck around in Detroit for another year. Offensive coaches seem to gain more traction in searches than defensive coaches, too.
Coldworld
September 12, 2025 at 08:58 am
Hafley is seen as smart and innovative. He’s also got some college head coaching behind him (atypical) and is known as getting more from his rosters while being a good on screen communicator. Overall I think we will be lucky to hang on to him (unless he replaces LaFleur).
Guam
September 12, 2025 at 08:58 am
That guy may already be on the staff. DL Coach Covington was the DC in NE for a year under Mayo. He did a decent job there considering a bad offense and an underwhelming level of talent. He seems to be working some magic with the Packer DL. With some experience under Hafley he might be the guy.
Leatherhead
September 12, 2025 at 10:54 am
murf, it's a long season. We're going to need these guys, so anything we can do to get them ready for then is a good thing. Remember our playoff loss, when Jenkins got hurt and we had to put a guy who basically hadn't played all year on the field?
Use this early part of the season to develop these guys.
I would point out that after we scored the first TD, in the first quarter, Washington never snapped the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead. Just like Detroit.
murf7777
September 13, 2025 at 08:28 am
Yeah, it would be good to get them PT. I agree when the game is into garbage time, but not when you are still trying the win the game.
Coldworld
September 12, 2025 at 08:42 am
They really weren’t threatening the middle, so Stackhouse wasn’t particularly relevant. In fact we hardly played in base (hence no Hopper) and used more DEs than DTs so Wooden’s snaps went down. The first two seemed likely given Washington’s offense. The third seems to have been smart tactical adjustment.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 09:56 am
Agreed. And the inverse, Washington has huge DTs. Kinlaw (319), Payne (320), and Eddie Goldman (320 if one believes what is printed on their roster). And, those three combined for 126 snaps. Since Wash played 68 defensive snaps, two of those guys were on the field most of the time. GB played two teams now who have the personnel to clog up the running lanes in the middle of the field.
Snap the ball
September 12, 2025 at 07:21 am
Love has a hitch / double pump in his throw on long passes need to correct that
Guam
September 12, 2025 at 07:31 am
Really sucks to see Cox's on IR as I had high hopes he might have a breakout season. The addition of Parsons clearly negates the loss of Cox however. The defense is playing at an extremely high level and finally has a DL that can rush the passer as well as ILBs that are a force in both run and pass defense. It has been a long time since the Packers have had that kind of defense.
The offense is already having its depth challenged at both OL and WR. Reed is out for a lengthy period and Banks and Tom are uncertain for the near term. The team has survived very nicely so far, but I hope the injury bug chews on some other team for awhile - I would hate for injuries to derail this burgeoning special season.
Not really surprised Wooden and Stackhouse got fewer snaps this game. Washington is not a power rushing team like Detroit and seems to prefer attacking the edges than trying to run up the gut. This was a game for quicker DTs who could pressure Daniels - particularly with the Packers playing with a lead for the entire game.
I did not expect the Packers to be 2-0 given the quality of the opponents starting this season. They have now beaten two of the top three teams in the NFC. WOW!
PS: Always my favorite post game article TGR. Thank you for your late night work!
GregC
September 12, 2025 at 07:31 am
Isn't there usually something about the QB in the snap counts? It was a good game for Jordan Love: 113.9 passer rating. He was inaccurate on some of the deep throws, especially the two to Matthew Golden, unfortunately, both of which could've been touchdowns. From what I heard, he was hitting those in training camp, but I'm sure they are harder in games. Love was spot-on with the short to medium throws, though, hitting the receivers in stride. And I'm starting to think that the way he moves in the pocket is really something special. He has this way of maneuvering himself into the best position without taking his eyes off the action downfield. It tends to go unnoticed because he makes it look so easy.
Maybe Keisean Nixon will finally start getting some recognition as a good CB. People don't want to believe he's good because he wasn't drafted and therefore isn't supposed to be good. Maybe also he has an attitude that rubs fans the wrong way, but I think his teammates love him.
The big surprise for me from a snap count perspective is that the whole "nose tackle" thing went out the window, at least for this game. Colby Wooden and Nazir Stackhouse are supposedly our only nose tackles, but the low snap count for Wooden means that they were rolling with Devonte Wyatt and Karl Brooks side-by-side on a lot of plays. Maybe they just didn't think the Commanders had a credible threat for power runs up the middle. And if that's what they thought, they were correct. Having some faster DTs on the field may have helped contain Jayden Daniels.
The high snap count for Javon Bullard is also notable, even with Nate Hobbs getting significant action. Bullard was on the field for all but 11 defensive plays, and he made several good plays. He seems like the right kind of player to defend Jayden Daniels.
It was a really impressive defensive effort all across the board. Every player, really. There was no weak link.
You are right about Micah Parsons getting held a lot, including his last pass rush, which I think was that final 4th down stop. They replayed it, and the announcers didn't even bother to mention that he was blatantly held by Laremy Tunsil, with no penalty called.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 07:54 am
My bad. It IS normal to have QB snap counts table and a little section on how they did. I just noted it above and added it.
I am spoiled as to QBs. Favre popped balls in where few dared to put them and AR just rarely missed (except for MVS - and Mahomes had issues with him, too). I do remember not just bad QBs like Scott Hunter, Randy Wright and even Bobby douglas. Comparing Love to a couple of hall of famers skews things too much.
Edit: I am not expressing myself well. I do Love the honor of expecting a ton from him every game. I expect a top 5 QB game from him every time. Elite sutff because I think he has a lot of talent. So, I am grading him on a curve but it is a hall of fame curve rather than just judging him against the other 31 current starting QBs.
GregC
September 12, 2025 at 08:56 am
I have similar expectations for Jordan Love. I want him to be a Hall of Famer. Yes, I am spoiled and greedy. But I won't dump on him of it doesn't work out that way. Being a great NFL QB is not easy.
Oh, let's not forget that nice run he had, putting his shoulder down and taking a hit (you might even say delivering a hit) to make sure he got the first down. That was inspiring.
dobber
September 12, 2025 at 08:54 am
"Maybe Keisean Nixon will finally start getting some recognition as a good CB. People don't want to believe he's good because he wasn't drafted and therefore isn't supposed to be good."
I think part of that is the low INT numbers...but he's good in run support and an able tackler.
GregC
September 12, 2025 at 09:11 am
Kind of a backhanded compliment there. He looks like a good cover corner to me.
dobber
September 12, 2025 at 09:27 am
Wasn't intended that way...I was thinking that most high-end cover CBs tend to shy away from heavy contact. He doesn't.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 10:10 am
Nixon is scheduled to earn $4.5M plus $500K GA bonus in 2026. Should he win a few awards, I wonder if that could cloud his contract situation? Nixon is 28. I remember Adrian Amos falling off the face of the earth after his first two years here. He was so solid I thought the team could restructure him. But his passer rating allowed ballooned up from 85.5 and 85.7 to over 100 in 4 of his next 5 seasons. We could tack on a couple of years for Nixon, but not too much more.
Coldworld
September 12, 2025 at 12:44 pm
Nixon is better close to the line. He’s at his worst covering long passes. We really haven’t seen those since both QBs haven’t really had time in the pocket. Nixon may be the biggest beneficiary of the Parsons trade as it means he’s doing what he does best almost all the time.
Celise...
September 12, 2025 at 10:13 pm
i have a son who is a Dallas fan and he has said for the last 2 years that Parsons gets held on way more plays than most and it never got called there either.
murf7777
September 12, 2025 at 07:45 am
For me, Nixon deserves the game ball on defense. I don’t have knowledge of PBU per game by a CB, but I do know that 5 is really high. He made some great plays. Of course, you could go with Cooper or Parsons. There were so many very good plays on the D. My fav Kraft was on offense. He’s going to be pro bowl this year.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 07:59 am
There wasn't a good picture of Nixon from this game available. Either they were portrait or didn't show his name or at least his number clearly. So, I went elsewhere.
Coldworld
September 12, 2025 at 08:48 am
Is it my imagination though, or have both teams now preferred to throw Nixon’s way than Valentines’? Of course Washington tend not to move WRs, so that might be as much Hafley’s decision yesterday.
Guam
September 12, 2025 at 09:10 am
I hope they keep picking on Nixon - he certainly rises to the challenge.
GregC
September 12, 2025 at 10:32 am
According to PFF, Nixon was targeted five times and Valentine was targeted four times.
Bitternotsour
September 12, 2025 at 10:16 am
Lotta people here slagged Nixon hard. They are oddly silent.
Leatherhead
September 12, 2025 at 10:59 am
Yeah,I remember them. "In a perfect world, neither Nixon nor Valentine would be starters".
Look, teams are going to go after Nixon. Why? Well, where else are you going to go, especially if we're rolling our coverage towards the other corner?
And he'll give up some completions, and he'll get some penalties. He'll also be available and he'll battle like hell. Maybe he's not a Pro Bowler....I don't care.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 11:09 am
He has been better than most people expected as a perimeter corner. Nixon has been better than I expected. And he signed for $6M per year, so it is pretty clear that all of the professional talent evaluators have been surprised. I mean, a person is worth the most one team is willing and able to pay.
I thought he was a somewhat less than average slot CB. I think right now he probably is still a slight minus as a slot. His tackling was a plus, but his agility was not. He had a 7.26 3-cone and a 4.52 shuttle. But he has speed - a good forty and 10 yard and good explosion. Who knows? Perhaps the light has come on for him as a perimeter and a slot CB.
Coldworld
September 12, 2025 at 08:53 am
Belton got most of the snaps, but it was Kinnard there on both the long TD drives in the first half. I’m still of the view that we would be better getting Morgan ready for RT in case Tom isn’t back (with Kinnard covering G), but if not, let’s just play the player getting it done better now until garbage time.
Last night that was Kinnard yet he was out-snapped more than 2:1. When he was out, the O struggled. That’s not all due to who was at RT, but that certainly seemed a factor. The D may be playing at a level where chances can be taken, but the O as yet hasn’t scaled those heights. Don’t make things harder on ourselves. Go with what is working.
dobber
September 12, 2025 at 08:56 am
I said to my wife last night: we need to send Zach Tom a get well card.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 09:46 am
Do you have to remember to give the gifted kid an "A" if his work is really good but not perhaps quite up to what he is capable of? [Do you grade down for ending a sentence with a preposition?]
I remember thanking a high school teacher I worked with for giving me an A. I said he must not have read my friend Mitch's essay right before my paper, and he laughed. Mitch ended up at Cal Tech. He was a good guy but definitely made me recognize what brilliance looked like.
Leatherhead
September 12, 2025 at 11:00 am
"To whom much is given, much is expected".
Guam
September 12, 2025 at 09:07 am
Thanks for confirming what I thought I saw - Kinnard was the better RT even though Belton got more snaps. We've seen these odd preferences from Steno/Butkus before and I just wish they would play the guy who gets the job done better. Very curious coaching...............
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 09:32 am
I looked at film and confirmed that you are correct. Belton got yanked after the holding penalty on the pass to Reed. Kinnard came in for the 7-play TD drive. Then they rotated Belton back in, and he gave up a sack, which resulted in a punt. Then Kinnard returned and they scored a TD (short jacobs run) on a 10-play drive. I expected the two to continue to rotate but no more Kinnard. Yet, Kinnard played 6 special teams snaps. Now, I think he plays STs on the field goals and extra points, and there were 3 extra points and McManus attempted 3 field goals, so that is 6 snaps. From that, I am deducing that Kinnard was still healthy and this was a coaching decision, and a surprising one since they are not averse to rotating offensive linemen.
Maybe Kinnard plays on different ST units. IDK. Or maybe he tweaked something so they limited him to the quick ST snaps.
Coldworld
September 12, 2025 at 12:47 pm
Unfortunately it doesn’t surprise me. I wish it did. But these decisions are a hallmark of the Packers OL ever since Stenavich got promoted and caused us to switch out and move around the OL for a championship game that arguably cost us the title. I still fear that type of personnel choices are something that could trip us up at the final hurdle.
Wisma Packer
September 12, 2025 at 09:35 am
Thanks TGR!
Thegreatreynoldo
September 12, 2025 at 11:21 am
pff INformation:
Jordan Love short of the sticks 29% of the time. daniels short of the sticks 50% of the time. Not sure what that signfies.
90.6 Heath
86.7 Musgrave
83.0 Love
81.6 Kraft (how can he be so low?)
78.3 Wicks
90.5 Nixon
89.8 Parsons
82.1 Valentine
Jacobs forced 4 missed tackles. Kraft had 74 YAC. Rhyan and Walker with 1 pressure, Morgan with 3. They show Belton with no pressures allowed. Well, maybe on teh sack there were two guys who hit Love and one of them got the sack. It does not show who gave up the sacks. DE Dorance Armstrong had 4 pressures. He lines up opposite Walker/Morgan.
Parsons had 8 pressures. Wyatt 6 pressures. Cooper and Gary with 4. Sorrell, enagbare, qauy with 2. Wooden and LVN with zero.
LVN, Gary, and Cooper with 2 stops each. Brooks 1.
Cooper: 7 of 8 targets for 59 yards and a 97.4 passer rating allowed.
Quay: 4/6 for 44 and 127 passer rating.
E Williams: 4/5 42 yards 141 PR
Bullard 4/4 20 yds, 87.5 PR
McKinney: 2/3 16 ydas79 PR
Nixon: 1 of 6, 9 yards, 39.6 PR !!!!!!!!!!
Valentine: 1 of 4, 7 yards, 39.6 PR. !!!!!!!
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Leatherhead
September 12, 2025 at 11:56 am
Including the end of game kneel down, we had 12 possessions. We scored 3 TDs and 2 FGs. We had FIVE 3 and outs. We also had a turnover on downs on the first drive, where we also lost Jayden Reed to a broken collarbone on a play that didn't even count because we got called for holding. That looks a lot like Feast or Famine.
I did think at a couple of points in the game that we throw deep too much, and I know that's been discussed here. I like the offense on the field, and if I had a defense that could just stomp on people, then I'd be a little more willing to use all 4 downs, if necessary, but this 3 and out stuff is no good. Between the opening drive where we turned it over on downs, and the final kneel down, those were 10 legitimate possessions. We scored on 5 and went 3 and out 5 times.
3 and out 5 times.
3 and out 5 times.
murf7777
September 13, 2025 at 08:42 am
LH, I know you’re not a negative nelly like some folks are, but I have to disagree. Personally I really liked the down field throws. It opens up a lot of other plays, just like running the football does. It also gives DC fits on how they are going to game plan against Love and our pass catchers.
As you mentioned, there is a risk to it and I think they will use it differently based on match ups and how the game is flowing. After beating two of the top teams in the NFL decisively it’s doesn’t seem right criticizing their play calling.