Problem I have is the tight ends the packers want are more for blocking then catching passes over the middle. They aren't looking for Kelsy 2.0. This team needs a Kelsy 2.0 but they dont have a solid O line like KC that can block without a TE and running back helping out.

Meyer would be a terrific pick...big, fast enough, good route runner, and most important, HE CAN BLOCK!! The key function of a tight end in this offense.

However, since he can block, we won't take him. We are too busy looking at SPARQ test and 40 times in underwear instead of whether a guy has a complete game.

I'd be looking at Washington no matter what, but especially if M. Lewis doesn't return; we need all the help in the run game that we can get. Mayer would help us out quite a bit as well; a scouting report compared him to Mark Andrews, and we've seen what an asset he has been to the Ravens the past couple seasons.

A lot of people like Kincaid and Musgrave, but Kincaid is a bit undersized and Musgrave is inexperienced and will need plenty of work on his blocking. I'd opt for either Washington or Mayer and maybe a developmental type in the later rounds.

After Jace Sterberger?.
They brought him In.
The speed disappeared.
Not sure he wanted to be a packer.
Wasn't He the last to sign?
After Richard Rodgers. Again the speed.?
I still think Tonyan wants to be here.
So- Who is better than Tonyan in this draft?
And would they fit the scheme?
Sorry- but I have to go safety before Te.
Unless Tonyan leaves.

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I don’t know what LaFleur wants and would use as a core weapon. I love the idea of Washington as a dual blocking and Red Zone threat. Meyer is great, but he may not fall and I don’t want to spend our first pick on him only to see a blocking specialist out there for a third of the snaps or no TE at all. The last TE we took and LaFleur was giddy about was a H/F Back, a role that we subsequently have had little use for. Does that change if Rodgers goes, or is LaFleur not clear or simply not as committed to the position in practice?

I hope we clarify this. I’d like a true TE weapon that can develop alongside our younger receivers, provide help in the running game and in the end zone/short yardage. Ideally to not signal a heavy bias towards run or pass when he’s out there. But we have to commit to the role and draft to fit it for that to materialize. Our first draft picks need to contribute in our current cap position. If we aren’t committed at TE, then I’d look to S, Edge or DL, despite the value we could reap from a TE.

Good recap on the available tight ends, Rex. Marcedes will be 39 soon which is old for a non-kicker in the NFL. I am ready to move on from him and Tonyan and draft two young guys. I hope Packers don't take one in the 1st round, as it seems that the top 5 are very close in ability. I would love an OT/ Edge in the 1st, TE, in the 2nd or 3rd, and again in the 4th. No money now to get a cheap free agent TE though that could be a possibility prior to training camp. There are several vets who could be had for $1 million (O.J. Howard, Josh Oliver, Blake Bell).

Some draft nuts here like myself might dig this... I'm going to reference an old Chiefs FanPost from 2015 that I keep on hand for these purposes:

Tight ends are rarely drafted in R1. Only 15 TEs in the last 18 years (through 2022) have been drafted in the 1st Round.

TE Draft Success Rate (thru 2015):
R1 67%
R2 50%
R3 39%
R4 33%
R5 32%
R6 26%
R7 0%

R3 and R5 appear to be good bets for selecting a TE overall, based on the number drafted (# of TEs drafted highest - fewest: R7, R3, R5, R4, R6, R2, R1).

Success rates for drafting a TE are similar R1-R5.

Here's the Overall Positional Success Rates per draft round for finding consistent NFL starters:
R1
OL 83%
LB 70%
TE 67%
DB 64%
QB 63%
WR 58%
RB 58%
DL 58%

R2
OL 70%
LB 55%
TE 50%
WR 49%
DB 46%
QB 27%
DL 26%
RB 25%

R3
OL 40%
TE 39%
LB 34%
DL 27%
WR 25%
DB 24%
QB 17%
RB 16%

R4
DL 37%
TE 33%
OL 29%
LB 16%
WR 12%
DB 11%
RB 11%
QB 8%

R5
TE 32%
DB 17%
WR 16%
OL 16%
DL 13%
RB 9%
LB 4%
QB 0%

R6
TE 26%
OL 16%
DL 13%
WR 9%
DB 8%
RB 6%
LB 5%
QB 0%

R7
DB 11%
OL 9%
QB 6%
WR 5%
DL 3%
LB 2%
RB 0%
TE 0%

Conclusion:
OL, LB, and TE have the lowest bust rates in R1.
TEs have a reasonable chance of turning out to be consistent starters in most rounds except R7.
WRs deliver roughly same amount of success R1 or R2.
QBs appear mostly to be R1 or bust.
OL R1 = relatively safe bet
TE/RB/QB should be avoided in R7
DL success rate greater R4 than R2 or R3

Some really interesting stuff I've saved in my NFL Draft Treasure Chest.

Top 3 positions I see as critical needs, devoid or near devoid of top level talent:
1. EDGE
2. TE
3. S

Nowhere to go but up IMO...

We have been absolutely atrocious drafting TEs for years.

Hoping the crop of TEs this year changes that, but if Aaron Rodgers comes back, it might not matter, because we know his aversion to throwing in the middle of the field. SMH

Well, if I were building the TE room, I'd start with Tonyan, who caught 53 passes last year. He has reportedly said he'd like to come back but everything has a price tag. Deguara is under contract for one more year.

I do sympathize with the people who think we should look for a pass catcher there, but I agree more with the people who want a blocker, like Lewis, there.......but would also give us some receiving ability. He's a blocker on all the runs and many passes, and even if he's catching 6 balls a game, he's still blocking 40 or more plays, so that's what I'd go for.

I like all of the Top. Meyer, Kincaid, Washington, Musgrave......but the guy I'd get if I could would be Washington, because I think he'll get his guy blocked.

And for our 4th TE, we can bring back the Big Dog to be a mentor to this group. Our two main TEs, who'll get most of the snaps, would be Tonyan and the Rookie. We'd play double TE sets about half the time.

I'd also try to get a Day 3 TE that we can put on the practice squad.

So, that'd be my five: Tonyan, Washington, Deguara, Lewis, Day 3 guy on the PS.

Yes, we need to draft and develop a tight end! A good TE stresses defenses! I thought the Packers would pick one up last year when we really needed new pass catchers. The Chiefs won the SB with a new receiving corps but I'm not sure that would have happened without Travis Kelce.

Not @15...trade down, get more 2nds. This TE class is deep.
Kincaid, Mayer, Musgrave...at least one of them will be available round 2, and Kraft looks the part too.

I predict that we overdraft an H-Back. 😉 On the serious side, Tonyan has good hands and is improving after his surgery. He can be an average TE. Let’s see how the market is before we bring him back. That said, I would like to see us draft a TE or two. I have no idea who.

The Packers don't have a TE ROOM, they have an empty room with a guy that peeks in now and then. For Love's sake, especially if Rodgers' is gone, the FO better find one.

Pass catchers and/or roles over positional descriptors. If you follow Lewis' snaps over his time in GB, it's been consistent around 41% each year--when Tonyan got hurt, Lewis' snaps didn't increase. It says that whatever the Packers want to do on offense, that particular role (the hand-on-ground blocker) is a staple. The true TEs (guys who mostly line up on the OTs shoulder with their hand on the ground) are less and less important around the league, but they do have a significant role in GB. I fully expect the Packers will find a guy like Lewis whose primary role is blocking DE/OLB and being an outlet guy. Those guys are relatively cheap and easy to find.

Nowadays, as was indicated above, most TEs are really WRs: they don't play with their hand on the ground, they motion and split wide (or play in the slot) more than anything else. You can do that with just about any skill position guy. So with that spot, I'm hoping the Packers will be thinking about what their opportunities are--when that guy they really like is available, but doesn't fit a "need" role. That's a position that can evolve, perhaps adding playmaking ability to the offense and a dimension that isn't already in place.

I would love to see a Travis Kelce or Mark Andrews type in GB--both are great pass-catchers and great blockers. If I had to guess, I think the Packers have--based on their current draft capital--enough needs that they won't draft more than one TE pre-round 6, but they will bring in 2 TEs this off-season. They'll draft one and farm the other off the street or as a UDFA. Just a guess.

Just dont see Mayer as a first round pick and no way 15 round pick. Very poor value there for the pick

TE is not a relevant position n the packers offense. This may be because the photocopier at 1265 Lombardi hasn’t been replaced in decades and all the playbooks have a big grey area in diagrams of the field between the hash marks. Running backs have ended up,in this area by accident. WRs do not dare venture there. GB will not draft a tight end until round three which means they will not draft a functional player at that position. Even if they did the likely QB1 won’t trust him to catch a pass until 2025….

The only way I would draft a 1st round TE is if we traded back to 31 after getting extra 2nd and 3rd round picks.
and it would be easy to do. Also trade back with the 1st rounder we get for Rodgers. the goal should be 6 to 8 picks in 1st 3 rounds. Take advantage when we get the chance. Somebody always wants to move up in the draft.

Once again fix the trenches!. That's is the one thing that still must be done. Must further upgrade an already good Oline or it won't matter what weapons we draft. Same with D line

Big bad ass OL and TE's to chip on their way out to catch a pass. If we can get that right we can get the run game where it needs to be for the playoffs and TE's freed up for passes....like they should be. Big dog blocking every single down=STUPID.

DT or S in 1st round if one falls, trade up for Washington in 2nd round