Reed was not the leading Wr at MSU in 2022.
He was not a great pick.

"D. Adams used to draw attention from multiple defenders, which opened up space for other receivers."

If some Packers rookie WR show that NFL is not to fast for them (like Reed or Wicks, not to forget DuBose), it may be good that others will not fear Packers WR corps. Because they may found themselves unpleasently surprised not to pay attention to others "unknown" players.

Watson probably has the highest scary factor of all the WRs. However if the offense also possesses 3-4 other good receivers - including TEs - then we may see a greater distribution of passes - which should make the O less predictable (vs. the past). This should make Love's job easier and for a better team.

I'm not sure Watson is the only big play ability guy out there. An article on Doubs from last summer reflecting on his college career:

Doubs would run a 4.47-second 40-yard dash at his pro-day and was a very effective downfield target, finishing third among all collegiate receivers in deep receiving yards – or yards accumulated on passes that travel at least 20 yards. He also averaged nearly 18 yards per catch.

And if they keep Bo Melton, he was faster than Watson at the combine. There's plenty of jobs out there for the young guys to grab, but not sure Watson is the only option for a big play or to stretch the defense.

I'm not sure Watson is the only big play ability guy out there. An article on Doubs from last summer reflecting on his college career:

Doubs would run a 4.47-second 40-yard dash at his pro-day and was a very effective downfield target, finishing third among all collegiate receivers in deep receiving yards – or yards accumulated on passes that travel at least 20 yards. He also averaged nearly 18 yards per catch.

And if they keep Bo Melton, he was faster than Watson at the combine. There's plenty of jobs out there for the young guys to grab, but not sure Watson is the only option for a big play or to stretch the defense.

splitpea1, I believe the Wicks & DuBose selections were made with Watson’s durability questions in mind.

If Watson is the only WR that really scares anyone, good. Because they’re all soon to find out the Packers have skills & speed all over the place.

Remember when we all were excited to have a WR who can finally take the top off a defense when Gutekunst drafted MVS?

I think we now have 3 or 4 WRs who are all faster than MVS.

I was surprised to see more RPOs suggested as likely too. I hope not, if in fact it’s possible.

I don’t know if there is a huge gap in talent between 2021 and now. I do know that there is a massive gap in experience. I hope that we coach accordingly, that Stenovich is saying that, as far as possible, we build our O around current strengths and to avoid weaknesses and go from there. I don’t care if WR A isn’t good enough in an X role if he’s playing Y. I don’t care if Musgrave is really just running catching routes, if it improves our O now, and so on. Rotate players not roles.

Since '61, I think you make valid points if you're comparing this offense to the 2020. I think they don't have to be too outstanding to outplay the 2022 version.

Right out of the gate the O line (pray for health) is 5 times better than the joke that started game 1 in 22. No matter who the starters are this year.

Throw in the veteran D and special teams staring off running and I think this team will be very kind to your sense of humor maintenance this season.

Thank you for the post Since '61.

Wow, Since 61, just Wow.

Did you go off your meds today or something? This doesn't sound like you.

1. Davonte Adams -- elite talent, is missed for sure
2. Corey Linsley --very good player, replacement is certainly not up to par
3. Lucas Patrick --journeyman, Runyon is easily his equal if not better
4. MVS --not worth a statement, never panned out and didn't for KC either, one game wonder
5. ESB --completely worthless
6. Robert Tonyan --broken down one year wonder, Im not impressed
7. Mercedes Lewis --old warhorse, gets in the way blocking, otherwise worthless
8. Allen Lazard --elite blocker, average receiver, good #3 or #4
9. Randall Cobb --days gone by - just not worth the snaps anymore
10. Aaron Rodgers --elite talent, 10 cent head. Cannot win big game, not gonna be missed

There is no way the 2023 team is worse off, each year players change, there is no such thing as staying the same. Change can be for the better or for the worse, and that is NOT always related to talent. Attitude and motivation play KEY roles in how a team performs. In that respect, the 2023 team has a very good chance to exceed past years versions.

The coaching staff has an opportunity to grow and increase their impact, it will be essential that they do. IMO there have been valid reasons why they were part of the problem in the past, they have to break out from their restrictions mentally and embrace the change that is at hand.

Murphy needs to fade into the background and just STFU on all football operations issues. Go build a non-football revenue stream and stay out of the way.

Since 2021, I’d agree with you, but time stands still for no one. That team, if it were still here, would be prohibitively expensive, old, and injured a lot. I’m glad we’ve moved on and am actually excited for the season for the first time since 2020. I really do believe we are going to shock some people.

Ok we realize they lost talent. So what? How does that help this team in any way, shape, or form?

Since'61, I'm more than happy to maintain my sense of humor with your joke post here.

😆🤣😂

It was low hanging fruit. What can I say? LOL.

You’ve held Aaron Rodgers in much higher esteem than I have, and, conversely, I hold Jordan Love and this entire group of new skill players in much higher regard than you do.

To each his own in this regard, and time will tell.

I’m projecting success early in a new era for a group bound by their shared youth, enthusiasm, and the excitement a young, extremely fast group of receiving talents could bring this 2023 season & beyond. Unencumbered, I'll add, by the BS that often has been glossed over, which actually hurt the team and its chances to achieve team goals.

You’re basing your opinions on the known quantities that were successful years ago. Many of those good qualities deteriorated and no longer exist.

I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how well this new corps of receiving talents will produce for this Packers offense. We might also see the innovations LaFleur envisioned in his planned Packers scheme upon his hire that were laid to waste by Aaron Rodgers, himself.

Jordan Love could turn out to be far better than Aaron Rodgers ever dreamt of being, or he could be average or fail. I'll put all my money on Love being a better QB than both Favre and Rodgers when it’s all said & done.

QB is more than a thrower of a football in the NFL. The most successful QBs help to lead their teams to winning Super Bowls. When an NFL QB takes the field, he should lead in a manner that’s an extension of his HC on the sidelines.

Bart Starr did that for Vince Lombardi. Aaron Rodgers NEVER did that for LaFleur. I look at the disgruntled AR going well back into McCarthy’s tenure as wasted years.

Thank God that’s over. Welcome in the new era.

All the talents LaFleur needed to run his scheme he now has. I do think we are in for a lot of fun, my friend. I believe that in my core.

We'll see. Cheers!

So they lost a couple wastes of roster slots, some marginal starters, some schlubs, an average starter, a very good receiver and a couple washed up guys. That’s NFL roster churn.

Always so negative. Can’t you ever embrace the future? Who plays for the Packers is not your or my decision. And neither of us know better than BG where we need to go to continue to be an elite team. Sorry dude, but I’m going with BG and his staff over all of your looking at the past and griping

Reasonable post Since '61. Thanks.

Here's where you lost the current CHTV "Aaron Rodgers is the Son of Satan and he cost the Packers at least 10 SB's" crowd ; )

"That is literally an entire offensive team including one of the greatest QBs of all time."

It's all down hill from there my friend : )

Only AR, DA and Lindsley were above anything we currently have rookie or not. We have a lot more WR depth and receiving TE talent right now. The only plus would be a vet #1 WR now but there is no money for that now. That would expedite our team without AR. As it is I'm very much looking forward to the youth movement. I thought our offense played better when AR went out of the game. AR had not been playoff special since 2014-15. I'm pretty tired of our team rolling into an NFCC game with zero energy like they were hung over. I'm glad the baton has been passed. The 2023 expectations are minimal....but I do believe we are playoff bound this season. Let's just state a few positives for JL. He WILL use pre snap movement. He will throw it into the middle of the field. He won't run the play clock to zero every play. He will throw to ANY open receiver. He doesn't have an enormous ego. He will not throw a pass into the ground "In a Game" to an open receiver because he ran the route wrong. FOR EVERY NEGATIVE THERE IS A BIG PLUS WITH JL. I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE CROW TO BE PASSED AROUND. The WR ,TE talent will be as good as AR had in a year or 2. Hopefully the defense really stiffens up. Good things are coming to GB. GPG

LOL I like you '61, im glad you are part of this board.

That being said, im not sure you understand what "Talent" means.

Other than Aaron Rodgers at QB, id say the "TALENT" we have at the other positions is greater now, going into 2023, than it was going into 2022. and at some positions by a very wide margin (TE).

Now, you can argue that a good portion of the talent we have in 2023 is unproven, unlike some of the 2022 guys. That is a good solid argument. One that says "we will have to wait and see."

The prospects of our young talent in 2023 surpassing and achieving far more than their counterparts did in 2022 is pretty good, and is exciting to think about.

This team has lots of talent, and more talent than last year. We shall see if it is fruitful.

Although its extremely unlikely Love will ever prove to have been more "talented" when drafted as Rodgers; Rodgers 2022 numbers are certainly attainable and could even be surpassed by Love. So he is the one guy you mentioned who you are right, not as talented as the guy he is taking over for, yet ironically is just as likely to outperform the guy he is taking over for in 2023.

Yes, he has to learn to start and play in the league and without a game plan designed for a 15 year vet. Just as Rodgers did.

Rodgers was candid about how much better he was in 2009 over 2008 and 2010 over 2009, just from having experienced what NFL defenses do and making plays against them. Love has the same curve ahead of him.

I actually agree with you here SH. This is the big leagues. Learn to ball or go sell insurance. Still gave you a downvote just out of principle tho lol.

Dear stockholder,

“Jordan (Love) is going to be a great player, he's a great kid, they got a good young team,” Rodgers said. In the three years that Love has been under Rodgers, he has been nothing but accepting of his role on the team. - Pat MacAfee Show 3/15/23

You doubt the wisdom of the greatest quarterback in Packers history? Are we not all lifelong learners?

Sincerely,
Leotis

I'm with right with you, here. I think we have the tools in place to be a surprisingly good offense. Let the young guys play within the scheme and ball out. Yes, there will be some mistakes, but these guys are hungry, talented, and hard working and that can compensate for a lot. If he stays healthy, I think Love's stats at the end of 2023 will be better than Rodgers' stats were at the end of 2022. I also think the offense is going to do a better job of playing complementary football and will leave the defense in better position to do what they need to do...with more than 3 quick incomplete passes to get ready for the next series.

Let him continue the Philly mojo. Exactly, let it rip. Rust never sleeps.

Very wise post Croat. I agree. Thanks, Since '61

I'm already hearing chirping of how Toure added some weight and is really looking better already. I'm thinking Watson, Doubs, Reed and now Toure are going to show they are ready to impress this season. A few of the latter round guys this draft looked pretty good on tape. GB historically slow rolling players onto the field days seem to be gone on offense by necessity. Kraft looks like he carries guys down the field like a sled dog...LOL. Musgrave has wheels at 21+ MPH and they both run in the 4.6/40 area. Dillon has something to prove to get paid and we will run the rock more. GPG

Maybe he was addressing that comment to less knowledgeable fans. I was at a practice many years ago and they were going live 11-on-11. Favre’s backup was in (don’t recall who it was) and he threw a few incompletions. Suddenly, the fan in front of me started yelling, “Get that bum outta there! He’s killing us! Get Far(sic) back in there!”

At that point I wished Allen Iverson was there to say, “We talkin’ bout PRACTICE.”

I can guarantee some fans’ idea of patience means waiting until Love throws his 2nd INT of the season: “Why did we trade Rodgers?! Gutey’s an idiot! Fire MLF! Clean house!”

You're thinking of Eli Whitney. Favre invented the head-first pool table airplane landing, and the dick pic while wearing Crocs. No worries, I get them confused all the time.

Hahahaha!

Oh, I was looking for this section!

https://www.theonion.com/jets-impressed-by-how-quickly-aaron-rodgers-com...

Remember when Sharpe was forced into retirement? Favre became a much better quarterback! GB had a bunch of capable receivers and all he had to do was hit the open man. Love can do that too!

Bone,
Many of the 2023 GBP's are young super stars fresh out of college in past year or two. They are going to play reckless and aggressive balling out and could care less about what the Vegas odds makers say. This will be a team that won't ever quit & will surprise many NFL teams. They will play hungry! Going to be exciting!

I know one thing for absolute certain having watched a lot of NFL over the past 45 years.

Nothing has done more to destroy a young QB's chance at developing and becoming a good NFL player for the team starting him than having him spend ridiculous amount of time either on his back, or running to avoid being on his back.

David B. is extremely important to the future of both the QB position for the Packers in the next 15 years and the young mans ability (who is supposed to be at that spot for the next 15 years) to grow as a starter in 2023.

He isnt going anywhere this year.