I love the thought of DeJean being a Green Bay Packer. CB IS a need for GB, especially since we really have no idea what will happen with Alexander. I mean what was that strange message about at the end of the year thanking Packers fans for his time as a Packer? Hopefully with Joe Barry out of the picture Alexander will be back to his All-Pro self.
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De Jean would be a great addition to the D, but increasingly think Gute will need to move up if he wants him. If not, Bishop in the second round at Safety and adding a CB with the other second or third round is an alternative. The Draft Guide makes for great reading and solidifies my standing as a draft geek.

I really hope we are able to get Dejean. I have followed him in college and he does so many things well and appears to be so humble. You never see him point to himself.

I also think back to last year when he is waving his arms low on a potential punt return, to warn his players not to inadvertantly touch the ball. Well he got the ball and returned it for a touchdown only to be called back as the refs said he was calling for a fair catch.

Al, I do like your comparison to the role played by Charles Woodsen. I, like you, certainly would not compare the talent as being the same but I do like the idea that there would be many roles he can play in the secondary.

I do see the possibility that he could play a huge role on our secondary for years to come.

So he’s solid athletically, he’s a high football IQ guy, he’s a solid tackler. He’s from Iowa. All it takes is one GM to get jazzed about him and he’s gone by 25. Is BG willing to trade up for him? He has shown he’ll do it for “his guy” but like Al said, we have no idea if he is. In fact, it’s likely Brian has a short list of “his guys” and what he’d be willing to give up to go get each of them. It’s also likely he has a “bucket” of guys similarly graded that he’d move back for with the expectation he can get more than one of them.
How can a fan not love this time of year?

Yeah, that Charles Woodson comparison in the Draft Guide was pretty intriguing. A more recent, and more modest, comparison would be Micah Hyde. I think our current DC might be more willing to get creative in utilizing that type of player than the last two DCs were.

Yesterday there was an article in Packers Wire called "5 Trade-Up Scenarios for the Packers in the NFL Draft." It provides values of trade-ups to #15, #17, #19, #21, and #23. They are not outrageous, but I still think trading up to #15 or #17 would be too much for a player like DeJean, even if they like him a lot. But jumping up to #19 or #21 is not out of the question. Hard to see DeJean not being taken by the Eagles if he is still there at #22. He seems like just the kind of player the Eagles would love to have to help revive their defense, which really went down the tubes last season.

Still working through the draft guide. It's been very intriguing. Have to break it up or I'm finding I'm not getting any of my work done.

I hope we don't have to give up draft capitol to move up to get Dejean but would be happy if it works out. Otherwise, just get the O-line we need or some surprise that Gute always pulls.

Have to have the lines on O and D stabilized and excelling before anything else maters anyway.

People thought the second half of last season that Love and his receivers were getting on the same page and to a certain extent that was true. The truth is actually that the O-line started getting on the same page by that time and everything started to flow and work. Throw in a successful stretch of a healthy Aaron Jones and we had a pretty good O. Just wouldn't have happened without the O-line.

Not sure that DeJean sticks out much more than any other CB or safety so throwing draft capital at a higher pick doesn't make sense to me other than he can say Iowa on the broadcast lead-in. My gut is saying that this is a trade down kind of draft. Most of our success needs to come from rounds 2-4. Build the roster with depth on the lines and in the secondary. A couple of late draft finds at RB and in the trenches would be icing.

Sorry, I’m going to be somewhat contrary to the general assumptions here.

Personally, I think he’s a slot ideally or a FS potentially. Hafley, even in college, preferred bigger box safeties. I’d look to play him at slot and Nixon at SS if we did pick him up. However I think he’s now gone well before we are due to pick.

I don’t see the Packers trading up for him in part for that reason and partly because there will almost certainly be other talents at positions of need available.

I also think that there are decent SS prospects of that type later in the draft. What I don’t see is an obvious dual role ready rookie. I do see some developmental FS types later.

Ryan Watts, Texas is an example of an unheralded late draft, late blooming potential SS conversion similar to DeJean and a plus tackler. Decamerion Richardson is a late blooming slot depth candidate on day 3.

There are others, those are just late pick examples. We’ve Talked about Trey Taylor as a slot type but he’s actually potentially capable of converting to all around S. I think a less polished but similar upside, character and style of player to DeJean. I’d rather reach for him a little later than expend significant prime draft capital to grab DeJean.

Dejean may or may not become a packer if he goes way too early than pivot to koolaid as he’d be a great fit also in gb -if you haven’t yet listen to Andy’s show today - would love either for various reasons and both would be great fits in gb

If they move up for a CB I think I'd rather have Quinyon Mitchell.

T.J. Watt. 4th and 26. Brandon Bostick.

Don't think of an elephant.

To move up to get DeJean will require one of the 2nd rounders depending on how high they need to go. That is a minimum.

Tazim Wajed is exactly right. Watch his video. He describes DeJean perfectly and how the Packers could use him. He is going to be an interchangeable DB. S/Nickel with high playmaking ball traits. Oh, and he is an excellent punt returner. I'd have no problem with the Packers moving up to get him, as long as the cost is reasonable.

He's the perfect Packer draft pick where BPA meets need.

I would be as happy as any Packer fan if DeJean fell to us @ #25, but I am totally against moving up in the first round to get him. Unlike the Jordan Love tradeup, which was cheap any way you look at it, this one would cost a 2nd round pick. That's a pick we could take a starting LB or Safety with. DeJean is good, but he isn't that much better than the next guy in line at his position. Yeah, the one we don't have to tradeup for.

Al, here are some questions about DeVondre Sweat-NT-Texas. Do you like him to Green Bay, would he be a gamechanger for us, if we drafted him, and if he was a 2nd round pick before the OWI incident, how far will he fall?
Or should we wait until 2025 when DT is the #1 need for us in the draft? Edge is #2 need.

Also, if Graham Barton will play IOL 90% of the time, is he better than other players we can draft later to play OG/OC? It doesn't sound like he would ever play OT so why spend a first round pick on Barton, when GB could trade back and get 2 players that actually excelled at OG/OC?

"Consensus now is that he will go much earlier in the first round than where the Packers pick, but who really knows? And if the Packers are in love with him, who's to say they may not try to move up and nab him."

Every year we hear how so and so player won't make it to pick whatever. Sometimes they don't make it, sometimes they do. But like you said if they really want him they could very well move up to get him.

Based on trade charts to move up to pick 15 (10 spots), they would have to give up Pick 58 (2nd round) and Pick 202 (7th round). For them to move up 5 spots to pick 20 they would give up 3rd round pick 91.

Just for fun lets say they want to move up to pick 10. According to the charts they would Trade picks 25,41,91 and get back 10 and 135.

Ron Wolf said if you really like a guy—“go get’em!”
Last year I wanted Van Ness, and this I’m sold on DeJean.
Go get’em!
Go Packers!!!

Come on Al. "Any one else think player comps for draft prospects are irrelevent and a waste of time?" And then you do a comp to Charles Woodson? Charles Woodson who won a Heisman as the best player in college football, the first defensive player to ever win it? Cooper DeJean?

Jesus, have your draft crush and all that, but please. Charles Woodson is royalty. That is not a comp pally.

"Any one else think player comps for draft prospects are irrelevent and a waste of time?"

Yep, irrelevant AND a waste of time. And it leads to constant fan comparison of current players with former players, as if they were interchangeable legos.

Like a proud Dad showing a picture of his favorite son - to anyone, at anytime - I can understand Cooper DeJean being featured on the cover of the CHTV Draft Guide. Because the Editor-In-Chief should be entitled to a perk or two. However, I do wonder what the letdown impact will be should CDJ not become a Packer. If so, I don't imagine that any TVs will be smashed (see Dallas fans). Nor many angry calls for Gutekunst's immediate resignation. At most, perhaps a little venting - with words and arm movements - followed by a period of sullen acceptance. Or not.

Hopefully, DeJean will fall to us and then everybody can be happy. If he doesn't he will push Koolaid and Wiggins down the draft order a little bit and we'll have a shot at them. I'm not really sure how to gauge the difference between DeJean and the Koolaid/Wiggins, but a good, dependable CB would be something we can use. You can never have too many good DBs.

I think the Packers have a very good shot at getting either DeJean or Koolaid, especially if Wiggins gets taken before #25, which many prognosticators have said will happen. He's most frequently mentioned in that 18-23 range.

If the Top 5 CBs are Arnold,Mitchell, Wiggins, DeJean, and McKinstry, once you start filling in the QBs and other top players, I don't think all 5 CBs will be gone by #25.

Nice to be "in love" with someone, Al, but I would like to hear from you which OL player is thje most intriguing for you, as I think Packers will need to bolster their OL for the next season.

Thanks!

Too bad DeJean will probably be out of reach. Our defense needs a dynamic playmaker, and he could be that kind of special player. We do have some very good players on defense (Gary, Clark, Alexander) but none of them are dominant players week-in and week-out. If not DeJean, a really good CB like Kool-Aid could help a lot, though. I'm hoping there is a defender who is worthy of that #25 pick (or trading up a little ways for) because the defense is more in need of juice than the offense is, and the first round is obviously the best place to find a difference maker.

Where he is drafted really depends upon what each individual team thinks his position is. If those picking in front of the pack regard him as a corner, he probably won't be available. If he is viewed as a safety , he could drop to early in the 2nd round.
If that were to happen, I hope gutey goes up and gets him.