Introducing the 2024 NFL Draft ‘Non-Packers’ Team

A full starting lineup of prospects who will probably not be Packers by the end of April.

Earlier this week, the All-Packers team of the 2024 NFL Draft was put together, identifying the best prospects who are likely to be in play for Green Bay, based on their usual athletic standards at each position.

Now it is time to crush some dreams. Here is a full starting lineup of the best players (disregarding the players who will be long gone before the Packers first pick at 25) who will probably not end up wearing the green and gold.

QB - Spencer Rattler

Disregarding the top quarterbacks, whom for obvious reasons, the Packers will not be drafting, Rattler is the best QB Green Bay will likely not have an interest in.

Rattler is a fun project with a big time arm, but is much smaller (6’0, 211 lbs) and slower (4.95 40 yard dash) than they like. The Packers have not selected a quarterback shorter than 6’2 or lighted than 218 lbs in the Gutekunst/Thompson era.

RB - Blake Corum

Corum is a very good, natural runner with a lot to like, but he is under 5’8, is 24 years old and has had multiple knee injuries. Whoever takes him may get a steal, but it won't be Green Bay.

WR - Keon Coleman

WR - Troy Franklin

SLWR - Xavier Worthy

Coleman is a ‘Packers type’ in that he is a big receiver at 6’3, 213 lbs, but the pedestrian 4.61 40 he ran at the combine is likely going to be too slow for Green Bay, and with no agility testing to ease those movement ability concerns, he is probably off the board.

Franklin tested excellently but is 176 lbs. The floor for the Packers under Gutekunst has been 187 lbs.

The new record holder for fastest 40 time, Worthy weighed in at an extremely light 165 lbs. Green Bay simply are not going to go there.

TE - Brevyn Spann-Ford

Spann-Ford is plenty big enough to be a Packers tight end, but his 40 time, agility testing and broad jump scores are all worse than any player Gutekunst has drafted. It is no great loss, as Spann-Ford is a late-round prospect.

LT - Patrick Paul

LG - Cooper Beebe

C - Jackson Powers-Johnson

RG - Christian Haynes

RT - J.C. Latham

Unlike at most other positions, the Packers do not like their linemen too big, especially at tackle, allowing them to kick inside to guard if required. They generally like offensive line prospects to be between 6’4 and 6’6, 300 and 320 lbs.

Paul is extremely athletic, which the Green Bay will like, but at over 6’7 and 331 lbs, he would be taller and heavier than any tackle they have drafted under the current and previous GM.

On the right side, Latham is another jumbo tackle at 342 lbs, likely making him too heavy for the Packers. He did not do any athletic testing whatsoever, indicating it may have actually hurt his draft stock if he did.

Moving to the interior, Beebe has the tackle experience Green Bay has coveted in guard prospects, but he may be too short (6’3) and just a bit too heavy (322 lbs). Haynes is short at  under 6’3, did not do the agility testing and has never played anywhere but guard.

Powers-Johnson, while an excellent center prospect, did not run the 40 or do agility testing in the pre-draft process, and is 328 lbs.

DL - Byron Murphy

DL - Johnny Newton

The consensus top two defensive tackles in the class will likely not be Packers. Murphy is an incredible player and a top tier athlete, but is a true outlier in terms of size at just over 6’0. Gutekunst has preferred his defensive linemen to be at least 6’2 ½.

Newton is also on the shorter side at a tick over 6’1 ½, and has not done any athletic testing due to injury.

EDGE - Jonah Elliss

EDGE - Gabriel Murphy

At edge, bigger is better as far as the Packers are concerned, and these two pass rushers both fall short. Elliss is an absolute joy to watch but at barely over 6’2, is probably not going to be a consideration. He also did not run 40.

Murphy tested excellently across the board, but is only slightly taller than Elliss and has very short arms at 30.5”. The absolute floor for Green Bay seems to be 32”.

LB - Jeremiah Trotter Jr.

LB - Junior Colson

Two of the better prospects in their position group in terms of instincts for the position, Trotter and Colson are unlikely to end up with the linebacker-needy Packers.

Trotter is 6’0 on the nose, and Gutekunst has not drafted a linebacker shorter than 6’1. He did not run a 40 or complete the vert or broad jump either.

Colson has not been able to test at all due to injury, so he would probably have to fall quite a way from his consensus 53 overall ranking for the Packers to draft him.

CB - Ennis Rakestraw Jr.

CB - Kamari Lassiter

SLCB - Mike Sainristil

An argument can be made that all three of these corners will have to play in the slot at the next level, and Green Bay are not likely to be the team that selects them.

Rakestraw is a competitive corner and one any defensive coordinator would love to have, but he is 183lbs (the Packers prefer corners in the 190s) and his other athletic testing was so-so.

Lassiter’s 4.64 40, weight (186 lbs) and incomplete testing are likely to disqualify him, while Sainristil is a premier athlete and hits every threshold the Packers like… except he is under 5’9 ⅓ and is 182 lbs.

S - Tyler Nubin

S - Kamren Kinchens

Two of the biggest draft crushes of Packers fans until they massively disappointed in the athletic testing, Nubin and Kinchens are almost certainly off Green Bay’s board, or at least the team will not be willing to select them before someone else is.

Nubin simply should not have tested coming off an injury, but did so and in the process may have tanked his draft stock, putting up a 3.72 Relative Athletic Score (RAS) out of a possible 10, while Kinchens fared even worse with only a 2.43 RAS.

 

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Mark Oldacres is a sports writer from Birmingham, England and a Green Bay Packers fan. You can follow him on twitter at @MarkOldacres

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GregC's picture

April 12, 2024 at 06:44 am

Amarius Mims is another huge OT (340 pounds) who the Packers won't draft, but I've seen him mocked to the Packers several times.

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gsd3's picture

April 12, 2024 at 07:14 am

Sometimes you just gotta say F the testing and watch the film! JPJ , Beebe, Colson, and Nubin will be keepers.

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T7Steve's picture

April 12, 2024 at 07:31 am

I would love to see those two brought in to compete for starting jobs, depth pieces, to make that room better and make Newman a third wheel.

We HAVE to get better and deeper at guard and center.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

April 12, 2024 at 10:45 am

Yes, they need both depth and to prepare to replace Myers, who is in the last season of his rookie deal. But they were still pretty damn good by the end of the season, gelling both in pass protection and the run game. They closed out the year with Aaron Jones going over 100 yards per game 5 games n a row and great protection for Love. So I know Packers fans want All-Pro at every position on the offensive line and we've sure been spoiled by the likes of Sitton, Lang, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Tretter, Linsley and more. But they had a more-than-solid line by the time the season wound down and into the playoffs.

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Coldworld's picture

April 12, 2024 at 08:48 am

Watch the film and particularly consult the doctors. These guys don’t have obviously career threatening issues. I doubt any are long term medical conditions on a par with the questions over Wilson (real or imagined).

I don’t see a huge change in the likelihood of drafting any of them or the position unless they believe one needs a red shirt year. As far as I know that’s not predicted for any of them. We were willing to take Gary with his shoulder. If we like any of these when we pick, I suspect we do the same.

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LLCHESTY's picture

April 12, 2024 at 10:43 am

Bill Parcells liked to repeat something that Tom Landry told him. Landry said if you make exceptions pretty soon you'll have a team full of exceptions. That doesn't mean that occasionally good players will fall through the cracks but by setting parameters you're more likely to hit on good players.

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 12, 2024 at 11:37 am

exceptions, or exceptional players. that's the conundrum, right?

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 12, 2024 at 11:39 am

Also, would that be the same Bill Parcell's who sent a coked-up out of his mind Lawrence Taylor out to do an assassins work week after week? He seemed to like that exception.

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mnbadger's picture

April 12, 2024 at 12:26 pm

excellent point gsd3.
Aaron Donald was too short to play in the NFL and is now headed to the HoF, to join other players (zach thomas) who didn't measure up with measurables but knocked the production out of the park.
I'm no expert, but I like my players to be productive on the field more so than looking good coming off the bus.
GPG!
GoGuteyGo!

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T7Steve's picture

April 12, 2024 at 07:27 am

Mark: "Paul is extremely athletic, which the Green Bay will like, but at over 6’7 and 331 lbs, he would be taller and heavier than any tackle they have drafted under the current and previous GM."

How big is Caleb Jones and a couple others? Jones (I think) is UDFA but made the 53 all season even if he was mostly inactive. Don't you think they're moving their guidelines to keep up with the trends in the NFL?

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 12, 2024 at 07:30 am

Another factor is how many players in total are that big? Seems like guys this size are not really “passed over”, but rather they don’t even come around that often.

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T7Steve's picture

April 12, 2024 at 07:35 am

Not only that, but if they're that big and talented enough to be pros, they end up in basketball.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 12, 2024 at 08:19 am

"How big is Caleb Jones and a couple others? Jones (I think) is UDFA but made the 53 all season even if he was mostly inactive. Don't you think they're moving their guidelines to keep up with the trends in the NFL?"

There is a big difference between bring in a guy that size as an UDFA and using a day one or day two pick on them.

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T7Steve's picture

April 12, 2024 at 08:24 am

I agree there's a big difference between UFA and drafted, but they've kept him around for years and even re-signed him this year. They may, however, be topped out on big guys.

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Coldworld's picture

April 12, 2024 at 08:54 am

Jones is an inch taller. Tenuta is also 6’8. Telfort is 6’7. None of those were drafted of course. UDFA, SFA, UDFA respectively. So the claim isn’t wrong but the pattern still casts doubt on the conclusion.

I think Mims’ source of concern for the Packers is more likely to be his regular injury problems as well as his weight. He is currently ten pounds heavier than the bigger Jones, whom they want in the high 320s (he’s still listed at his testing weight of 370 but was 330s by camp, as all players are for their careers). They may have been investigating that weight loss will make Mims better and more durable.

There is no reason a massive man can’t play tackle if he can move and bend. That’s the big if. Power and reach advantages have be unlocked. However, if you do, then the advantages are real. When Jones arrived svelte, the comment from Stenavich was he looked a completely different athlete in terms of foot speed and mobility. I don’t believe he’d have made it through camp without that.

Mims has an unofficial RAS over 9.5. He’s athletic, if probably oversized. His broad jump at that size is particularly striking (his vertical was poor). I’m not pulling to draft him, and never have, but if he’s seen as a guy held back by weight and thus not yet at his potential, that might well change the assessment. No, I don’t think he’s automatically out of consideration by virtue of height as suggested.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 12, 2024 at 07:28 am

1. Cool idea for an article!
2. What’s wrong with weighing 176 pounds? I bet there are some really fantastic, humble people right under your nose who weigh exactly that.

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T7Steve's picture

April 12, 2024 at 07:32 am

I did in 8th grade. Does that count?

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 12, 2024 at 07:42 am

Hells yeah it does!

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dobber's picture

April 12, 2024 at 09:03 am

"What’s wrong with weighing 176 pounds"

That's like me when I was born!

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WD's picture

April 12, 2024 at 07:29 am

I would be very happy if players like Blake Corum and Junior Colsum fell in the draft because of exaggerated medical red flags, or the fact that they didn't test because of a temporary minor injury. What is important is the prognosis for a full recovery as given by a medical team. Both Corum , Colsum and even Payton Wilson falling would be an opportunity to give the Packers an A on their draft. Cooper De jean was a little nicked up but the last I heard he will fall somewhere between 10 and 24, He was tremendous at his pro day. Smart teams will capitalize on the situations where the potential reward is greater than the potential risk. In business this is called a cost benefit analysis.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 12, 2024 at 07:31 am

Totally agree. How teams separate “injured in the past” from “injury prone” is of enormous importance.

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dobber's picture

April 12, 2024 at 09:06 am

Yeah, I think it's easy to separate contact injuries from chronic soft tissue injuries (or concussions).

Some players do play with a style that leaves them susceptible to awkward hits and injury, though.

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Coldworld's picture

April 12, 2024 at 09:20 am

I’d add in injuries with a high risk of recurrence or degeneration. Some of those, particularly joint related are career damaging, shortening or ending.

Wilson and Zinter are the only ones where (without any details) that is a possibility among players linked to the Packers regularly that come to mind.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 13, 2024 at 07:10 am

Two kinds of players: those that have been, and those that will be…

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Coldworld's picture

April 12, 2024 at 08:42 am

Spann-Ford is a guy who could be a true blocking TE. If we want to have a potential (later career) Marcedes Lewis prospect, he’s it. He was used in college as a 6th OL. For a TE, he’s a remarkably good run blocker. I’d be very happy with him on day 3.

He’s 260 pounds and a physical in line and lead blocker. His 40 is OK, 4.77. He’s a big red zone target. He has a 7.51 RAS, but don’t look for agility, it’s not present. He uses his size and bulk at the point of the catch. He’s a good leak out and end zone target. An immediate upgrade to our pass and run blocking.

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dobber's picture

April 12, 2024 at 09:09 am

He'd be a good UDFA pickup or 7th rounder (preferred UDFA).

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Coldworld's picture

April 12, 2024 at 09:30 am

I think he could go earlier on the 3rd day because he is by far the best blocking TE. He’s a pretty rare proposition, albeit for a role that is not glamorous. If I had to call it, I’d say 6th round.

He will catch passes and run over some players. He is a genuine red zone option who high points well. He’s not just a blocker. He had a QBR of 100 when targeted last year.

Put it this way, pick him up and I think our blocking for both run and pass is immediately better, particularly in goal line and 3rd and short situations. I would take that in the 6th round and celebrate it.

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dobber's picture

April 12, 2024 at 08:57 am

So the question really is one of price point. For virtually all of these guys--who are mostly in the top ranks of their respective positions--there will be a point in the draft where the player value is too good to pass up any longer--even for the Packers. Ex-specially if the board falls in such a way that they haven't been able to address priorities as they'd hoped.

There's plenty of pre-draft posturing over a plethora of prospects--"I don't like him" or "this guy is better"--but draft position and how guys land on draft day has a lot to do with a good or bad pick. A player we don't like on day 1 may turn into a great value on day 2.

What you're saying is that other teams are likely to have a higher price point (willing to invest more of a premium pick) for these guys than the Packers?

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 12, 2024 at 09:06 am

“Pre-draft posturing over a plethora of prospects”; That alone is worth the price of admission!

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LLCHESTY's picture

April 12, 2024 at 11:01 am

The Packers don't draft guards in general but Beebe tested so well they might make an exception and he did play LT last year.

Gabriel Murphy and his twin Grayson are both day 3 guys and the Packers parameters loosen the deeper the draft gets. If one of those two are available in the 7th round I don't think Gutey would pass on them. Enagbare certainly wasn't in the athletic thresholds for Edge players.

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LLCHESTY's picture

April 12, 2024 at 10:50 am

They drafted Myers without any testing so I don't think Colson is out by any means. People shouldn't forget the guy taken right after Myers had a perfect 10 RAS and they still took the guy that didn't test. Colson played against four of the best college teams so it's not like he played in the FCS and you have to guess his projection, other than to guess how much better he'll be without cast(s) on his hands.

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splitpea1's picture

April 12, 2024 at 11:13 am

Too bad, there are some very good prospects here if the Packers are willing to bend from their (too) rigid criteria. I'm thinking JPJ, Colson, and Corum would especially make nice additions. Even Nubin is probably a better possibility (more so if he falls) than reported--if you just obsess over the testing and ignore everything else, you're missing a lot.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 12, 2024 at 12:31 pm

If Patrick Paul is on the Undraftables list - then it's only fair that Tyler Guyton be included @ 6'8" and 322 lbs. However it appears that the Packers have more leeway with their Tackle(s) heights and weights - having had Nijman @ 6'7", Tenuta @ 6'8" and Jones @ 6'9." - 345 lbs. Yet instead of adding Guyton to the list - I would prefer that Paul be simply removed from it.

However, in his place - I nominate T'Vondre Sweat as an Undraftable. Not only because of his conditioning concerns (most likely prospect to be a life time Weight Watchers member). But also for his failure to meet the minimum mental standard required of a professional athlete. By being charged with a DWI within a few short weeks of his Draft!

“He had just about enough intelligence to open his mouth when he wanted to eat, but certainly no more.” ― P.G. Wodehouse

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gsd3's picture

April 13, 2024 at 05:25 am

What I find kind of funny are the size thresholds listed for offensive line. 6'4" to 6'6". So that would disqualify Patrick Paul? Why are Jones and Telfort on the roster then? If they have no intention of using anyone that big, why put the time and effort into developing them? The weight? 300 to 320? Why bring Mims in for a visit then?
JPJ....8 pounds over the weight limit? Seriously? Do they not see how he simply wrecks everything on the 2nd level?
Sorry. Just don't get it.

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