Beaux Limmer screams Packers. Versatile IOL, Uber strong and very agile.

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Gute has a good strategy to put the emphasis on the RAS . But, you also have to figure in the priorities of each position when drafting. Many mocks have the Packers looking at O-Line. Some seem obsessed with OL because we will not have Bakht at L tackle. Evidently they have not noticed the development of Rasheed Walker. The fact of the the matter is O- line is one of the strengths of the offense. Granted, we could use some depth. Critical needs are ILB and Secondary. Use the first two rounds to address ILB with either Payton Wilson who flew up the charts after a 4.4 combine or Edgerin Cooper. Second round draft a Safety(best available) and RB (Benson). Third round address an interior Lineman Cooper Beebe) and your second RB either Allan or Blake Corum whoever is available. That should make both offense and defense happy. I know it would make me happy. In the 4th round find a CB. I think Stokes will be back in uniform on opening day. Oh yea..... draft the top college kicker in round 5.

We let Micah Hyde go because he wasn't a good enough athlete, and we draft Oren Burks and Jimmy Jackson because they are. Hmmmmmm.

Size and speed are good. So are smarts. So is a willingness to take coaching well. So is a commitment to making your body bigger and stronger (Eddie Lacy? Raji?)

I think this RAS stuff is useful, but it's not the Bible.

RAS this, RAS that...can we just give it a RAST already?

You lil' RAScal,

Pantz (32" inseam)

Thanks for the rundown, Rex.

You gave us a lot of good player options to choose from. I'll keep watching these CHTVer gurus' comments to help me figure the answers to what direction to take to help start completing this team.

I've very seldom been even close (actually never) to guessing which direction BG goes with his picks. The only way I'd be surprised is if he doesn't surprise me with his picks. Some of the guys here have been close though. Probably due, at least in part, by these articles by you writers.

Hopefully the importance of the R.A.S. score on the defensive side of the ball has been tempered by what we've actually seen on the field over the years. I'm tired of raw athletes who need a ton of time to develop, can't tackle, are undisciplined or confused in their assignments, or lack physicality. Time for Gute to evolve and work closely with Hadley to get this defense to become a force once and for all.

Not interested in any of the listed "risers" considering where they're likely to be drafted. And I still like Rakestraw. But Kinchens, wow, that was a TERRIBLE score, good for something like the bottom 20% of safeties all time. It was well known that he was a better football player than athlete, but I read this could push him down beyond the third round.

Jeez, T. Sweat almost looks like he has boy boobs. I don't know, maybe other DTs have them (not an area of study for me), but this case was kind of noticeable. He'll probably need a dietician/nutritionist and a trainer waiting for him as soon as he gets off the plane in whatever city drafts him.

Reed’s RAS changes dramatically if you plug in the 4.37 that they claim they had Reed clocked at and were confident was representative. In retrospect Reed has proved that the Packers Scouts were right.

That’s something no algorithm can account for and this isn’t a reflection of RAS but a caution that all such metrics can be undermined by an unrepresentative performance. Kudos to our scouts, their process and Gute for having the confidence to rely on it.

IMO Gute No longer watches tape.
And strictly goes by the RAS.
Oh- there is the senior bowl.
But he will always trust his own eyes first.
So just forget the rise and fall.
Because thats for stat guys.

The beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
And who looks like Tarzan gets crowned.
There's No Formula.
Gute No longer makes his living on scouting.

It's a sell job to the public and he's good at it.

There are far more good players who have high RAS scores - than not. Also it depends on the position. For instance, a high RAS score for RBs does not seem as crucial as for WRs. It is one of the more important assessment tools but not the only one. GMs make their draft selections based on a number of criteria - including RAS.

Kinchens numbers were a hair better than shown. They have his 10 yard split at 1.64 when his actual split was 1.59. Jordan Fuller had a 1.64 split and a 4.67 40 compared to Kinchens 1.59 and 4.65 and many people want the Packers to sign Fuller as a FA.

Kinchens also looked fairly slow in the drills, other than catching everything. His performance costs him multiple rounds and considerable money unless something comes out about him being injured and he kills it at his pro day but it doesn't mean he can't play in the NFL. Probably end up as a SS though.

Film doesnt lie. Kinchens is the best deep safety in this class and its not close. Hes also a lot better athlete than his combine scores represent. Never forget, the best football player who ever lived (Jerry Rice) ran a 4.70 40 yd dash. Inversely, Darnell Savage ran a 4.36 and what did that do for him? Screw the combine, screw RAS scores, screw SPARQ scores, screw it all. We need football players. End of story.

Don't overlook Frank Crum, OT - Wyoming, as a late round pick. He's 6-8 313 lbs and has a 9.82 RAS. For such a big guy, he ran the 40 in 4.94 seconds, had a 31.5-inch vertical, 9-foot-2 broad jump and is skilled at the position. He played in the Mountain West so he gets overlooked by most Mock Drafts. Still, I could see the Packers picking him up in the sixth round with pick 204 or, after having such a good combine, rising as high as pick 168 in the fifth round.

Another athletic player with a high RAS to keep an eye on is Illinois tight end Tip Reiman. His measurables are nearly identical to, or slightly greater than, Tucker Kraft's last year. Kraft is the better receiver but Reiman is a better TE off the line. He's 6-4 and 271 pounds (Kraft is 6-4 254 pounds) runs a 4.64 (Kraft was 4.69). Reiman has a 9.93 RAS and Kraft had a 9.65. He is leaving college a year early and so far he is projected to be either a 7th rounder or an undrafted free agent. If I was Brian Gutekunst, I would select him in round 7, pick 243, if he's still available, as a replacement for Josiah Deguara, should they let him walk in free agency. After all, behind Luke Musgrave, Tucker Kraft and Ben Sims, he isn't going to be needed for his hands. Being fourth on the depth chart as a blocking tight end will give Reiman the opportunity to contribute while developing and still keeping the expectations low. Additionally, Reiman looks forward to playing on special teams, which is something that most coaches and GMs like out of their rookies. There's a tremendous upside here with this pick.

We have a number of seasoned scouts here-lol.

RAS is just an algorithm that tries to measure athleticism. It does so quite well if a) the testing data is accurate and b) the player is seen as filling a role that matches how RAS weights the tests.

There are other algorithms out there, teams have their own and professional services provide them too. They just aren’t available to us. In that sense, RAS is a nice easy tool for us fans.

It’s also a trap. RAS has no interest in actual football played and doesn’t pretend to. There’s no game performance input at all. It does not rate learning, drive or personality either. It simply compares athletes it assigns to positional pigeonholes and says for these this is how it thinks the tests best combine to show relevant physical prowess.

Arguably it’s not all that good at that. How often does one attribute that is superlative render the rest largely immaterial? Adams incredible feet, Jones’ ability to burst and squeeze through negligible backs trumped a lack of 40 speed completely. Wicks is another. Look at how it underplayed Krafts quick feet and balance. Those are just obvious recent Packer examples.

Ideally the holy grail is the best athlete who is the most driven and instinctive. RAS and its ilk address only one of three (arguably less at a position like QB where the mental aspects are key). Even were RAS perfect in that, it’s s pretty poor basis for reliance. Which is why teams retain scouts, but it’s not why most picks by all teams are weighted to highly athletic people. That’s the nature of pro sports.

Performing under pressure is the great equalizer among athleticism, technical ability, and IQ traits. Develop dynamic combine tests that measure performance under pressure and you'll quickly separate wheat from chaff.