Indecisiveness?
Are you SURE about that?

That last defensive play was eerily reminiscent of the infamous 4th and 26th play against the Eagles in the playoffs. The three-man rush was bad enough, but to do that and leave the other team's best receiver in soft one-on-one coverage for the easy pitch-and-catch was just unbelievable.

The Packers look like a team that's going to get trounced by the Eagles, so I'm not going to get my hopes up about this one.

I know a lot of people question the timeout thing. I get it. But in the moment I had no issue calling time out because I really felt like they were going to go for the first down. So I had no problem with the time out thing. If they were going for the first down they were going to need to more time. I had no issue with that.

What I had an issue was the last defensive play. I have no clue what they were doing and why they did it it the way they did it.

For a coaching decision/play call... That one was absolutely one that I hated. To leave the middle of the field that wide open with no one at the sticks. made no sense.

It's the first complete game of complimentary football the Packers played all season long, with the possible exception of the Saints game.

Good or bad it's a complete team.

Being a complete fan of the Packers, I'll do my part and believe they're going to flip the switch and shock the NFL world this weekend.

It's not too much to ask for a fan to believe in their team one more week (at least) after a full season. No negativity. Have fun with it.

Could be worse. Just look to the South.

I don't think we're giving anything away.

But those who say we won't MATCH Up.
You only have 1 person to blame for that.
And it isn't MLF.

As I mentioned last week this game would be tough for the Packers to win and this team needed to be ready to play a good game. They were playing a division rival that had not beat the Packers in 11 games. They were on a long losing streak and have been eliminated from the playoffs. Their HC and OC had been fired. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain. The bears had a chance to go to Green Bay and beat the Packers. This is a situation where the Bears would do anything to win and they did.

Yes the Packers played like a young team that they are. They got beat by an inferior team and blame goes all around. I put most of the blame on the coaching staff. When you have a young team the coaches have to be spot on. Yes because the coaches are to blame MLF has to take most of the blame. We talk of players reaching their peak but we do not mention that this could happen with coaches.

Now I believe MLF is a good coach but we will not win a Super Bowl with the current coaching structure. Yes I used structure purposely. I believe the staff has the capability but changes need to be made. I have said MLF should not be a play calling HC. I did not want the Packers to hire a HC that was going to call plays. I actually wanted the Packers to hire one of the best ST coordinators so the HC would not call plays.

If MLF was a typical HC he would have more time to evaluate the offensive and defensive game plans and provide that critical evaluation to make sure both match the opponent and that they work together. He would have more time during the game to evaluate what is happening and make the changes needed on both sides of the ball. He would have more time to manage the game.

Yes we are stuck. It will be hard to demote MLF to OC, his better position, and hire a HC or make MLF give up play calling which means they might have to hire an OC. The Packers leadership and I phrase it that way because under the current structure our outgoing president has the authority to make the change and the incoming president would be the one making the call I believe have a hard decision to make. When you hire a HC that will act as a coordinator if he is not effective you will be getting rid of an HC and a coordinator.

The game has become so complicated that there are very few coaches that can be a HC and coordinator (ok maybe ST) at the same time.

I hope the Packers make some serious changes to the coaching staff. They may not have to fire any of them. I believe they might be able to do it just by realigning responsibilities and maybe hiring some help.

LaFleur and Love at best both mediocre. Loves passes for the most part are way off many catches made by our receivers if you really think about are quite spectacular when you considered ball placement, many way to low and many high that put health of receiver in jeopardy!

"More is lost by indecision than wrong decision."
Marcus Tullius Cicero

I’m not sure it’s indecision as much as a lack of true conviction in a direction married with an inability to instill detail. It’s neither one thing nor the other and that bleeds through the coaches and into the field. A true leader has a vision and shapes both coaches and players to perfect its realization and elevates both or replaces them till they can fulfill it.

The outcome may not be an ultimate victory, but there is a clear and cohesive course and philosophy visible. Is that the Packers? I don’t see it.

As another poster mentioned, most HC's are too busy to have the time to game plan and call plays. He should be supervising the game plan
Matt also tends to delegate too much to average/ below average coaches/coordinators. The Packers need a smart OC who is current with best practices and play-calling. Stenavich was a good O-line coach but should not have been promoted to OC. Luke Getsy and Hackett were further examples of underwhelm in the real world.

(I see the Packers brought Getsy back to 'assist w/the Defense???') Saleh should do that.
Packers need to look outside of their bubble for real coaching talent. Too much time wasted on not hurting feelings of Gute (keeping bad 1st rounders on the field too long-Savage, LVN, Walker, Gary, Clark), Hafley (bringing in Getsy instead of Saleh), Stenavich (He is OC in name only, like Hackett), Bisaccia (Special Teams never got better).

None of these guys would be on staff on good teams.

A terribly disappointing ending to a game that the Packers should have controlled from start to finish. Even though the Bears season was beyond circling the drain, they still have a very capable/talented roster. But the Packers were the better team, by far. The most embarrassing part of the outcome is that MLF and his coaches were out coached by a Bears staff that knew they would be on the street come Monday. It seems to me that, especially the second half of this season, MLF has been over thinking/reacting in his decision making/play calling this year.... and this is holding back the entire team. Questionable situational play calls, uncharacteristic indecision...especially in down and distance situations, suspect challenges that cost the team timeouts and overall time management failures are part of the coaching process but they seem to reappear this season more so than in the past. MLF is one of the brightest football minds in the NFL and this year he's been his own worst enemy. Just throwing this out there and I could be totally wrong.... but maybe he should stop consulting with Saleh, and now, Getsy....with a mind like MLF, he now seems to be over processing to the point of team/game paralysis.
It's time for him to clear the room, clear his head and run everything HIS way without the input of consultants. I could be way off on this opinion, but last year when his team exploded into the playoffs, it was MLF alone driving the race car. Maybe it's time for MLF to drop off the "consulting baggage" and take back the wheel....GPG!

It was a game that had no meaning for the playoffs. If we won, we'd be the 7th seed. If we lost, we were going to be the 7th seed. Waaaay too much angst on this.

I peaked into Lion's HQs just like NFL fan (how come not Packer fan?) requested.

To get there early, I found an old bottle of Rat Piss and added to my racing grade octane gas.

Sure enough, Coach Campbell starts his day with a couple handfuls of chaw and high octane drinks at the local gas station. (I wouldn't recommend this).He then arrives at the facility with most if not all the Lion players either watching Scarface or lifting weights or going over film.

They like Campbell, a lot...and fear him a little, but mostly respect the hell out of him. They like challenges and bought into his and the rest of the coaches approach. The players want to play for one another and the excitement is overflowing into the surrounding cities and state. They deserve it, they waited a long time to be in this position. Now, some players may appear to act like punks, but I will give them leeway for now.

When I got back to Green Bay and 1265 Lombardi Ave, I smiled and a tear rolled down my sculpted cheek. You see, I wouldn't change a damn thing about the Packers. Mainly because I can't change much. The only time I ever called and asked to speak with Mark Murphy is when I didn't agree with a certain player and his approach to the organization and method of making it heard. So, I voiced my opinion.

I looked at the Packers trophy case and rich history. This lil' bump of whatever we are experiencing will help shape the future roster and Packer organization in the future. I wouldn't trade our team and history for any other team in the NFL. I didn't do anything at all. I was born in WI and have to many rich memories growing up with the Pack on TV surrounded by family. I got awfully lucky. Yes, even the 70s and 80s were still mainly enjoyable. It was the memories and people I shared it with that created the memories, good and bad. Life lessons if you look hard enough

So, maybe it can be therapeutic to vent on various platforms, you be you. You have just as much right to decide to act how you choose. I appreciate you caring about the Packers. I am going to just watch the game and be happy we are in the playoffs and excited about the 2025 season.

And, however the game unfolds against Philly, I will gladly take the Packer season vs the NY Jets season. When an animal sheds its used exoskeleton, it needs to be patient and wait for the new bigger skeleton to form. See, clear as mud. Don't be afraid of the unknown and I hope you give yourself a chance to fail in life, hopefully a couple times. That right there is where growth comes from and you find out what you are made of and the adversity you can dance with. I failed many times, but see where it got me = the almost UNDISPUTED KING OF CHEESE HEAD TV forum boards. Thank you, thank you...

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"“I’m disappointed that I put our team in that situation at the end of the game because (I was) just being indecisive,” said LaFleur."

I really do try my best not to rip on coaches and individual players. I have no problem acknowledging they know more about the game than I do. Like most fans, I sometimes get caught up during games wondering why certain plays were called, thinking maybe it should have been called differently. But once the game is over, I let it go because I realize these are professionals, and I'm a fan.

But the above quote by LaFleur is concerning to me. It's something you might expect from a first year coach figuring out their way, not someone in their 6th year. Can you imagine Holmgren saying something like that after a game. Tomlin?, Harbaugh?, or any number of veteran coaches. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But it's not a good look.

Losing two games in a row to Division opponents you know the best and should be best prepared for does not bode well limping to the playoffs for rematch with the Eagles.

Something concerning has happened the last two weeks in game preparation. The Packers got beat by better prepared teams...one by a team with an interim coach and inferior talent. Yikes.

Maybe it is due to LaFleur keeping so many starters limited due to nagging injuries or "resting" in practices leading up to the games late season? Does practicing the game plan have value for starters? Lafleur seems fine playing starters with little practice time.

If you practice, you play. If you don't, you will be a back up on game day to those that did.

One thing that's been obvious over the last two weeks is the OL needs to get better. Leatherhead can point to all the numbers he wants and give them credit but that credit is misplaced. The truth is Jacobs and Love have made them look better than they actually are. And that with them being healthier than most lines over the season.

My biggest concern this weekend is how the lines match up vs the Eagles. My biggest concern for next year is basically the same thing. Build the lines and the team will follow.

As Leatherhead said and I said in an earlier post - the only real reason to win was to continue our ownership of the Bears - but we should have last the ownership our first game of this season against them. Blocked winning kick - was because the kick was low. We are in the playoffs - we can play for the superbowl - 18 other teams cannot. Teams are firing their coaches and management. We are constantly vying for a playoff spot and it looks like we will again next year. We are not looking for another QB or anything like that ( under AR - with Capers - we were looking for another DC - or at least wishing for one) But at least this year there was some improvement. Do we need to improve again next year - of course - There are always turnover - we definitely need to add a field stretcher as ours will be done until late next year. We definitely need to improve our ILB - and I might add that perhaps Rich is overpaid given the results . But we are in the playoffs and even if Hurts is available - he wont be able to run much - so we will be in the game there. Now I am not happy this year - both with the number and timing of the drops. Nor with the Red zone offense nor the 4th down plays ( and some of the 3rd down plays). We dont seem to have the ability to close out our games by running a half decent plays with short passes and using Jacobs - not just run into the middle and getting stopped.But I wouldnt be dumping on the team because we made the playoffs. We did what any Jets fan or Chicago fan or Carolina fan or Arizona fan would give up their season's tickets for.

The second to last play was also reminiscent of the Tampa playoff game at the end of the first half where King was left out to defend one on one and Brady found that WR for a TD. How can Coordinators make such fundamental errors in judgement? And why does it always seem to happen to the GB coaching staff in critical games?

But it brings up the bigger question - are the GB coaches better, long term teachers versus in game strategists? Do the Packers really do TRUE self assessments of themselves post game? The over used post game comments - and lack of corrective decision making - from LaFleur would indicate that they don't.

Growth for this team is not only needed at the player level - it's needed badly at the in game coaching level!

The last 2 losses at the end of the regular season provide further evidence of an issue that I have posted about the Packers for several seasons. That is situational football. The Packers do not play very well in situational football.

Whether it's deciding not to kick an FG against the Vikings or kicking an FG without running down the clock against the Bears and then rushing 3 and playing off the LOS enabling the Bears to kick a game winning FG, plus the choke collar tackle giving the Bears 15 free yards on their game winning drive; these last 2 losses serve to highlight the Packers problems in situational Football.

Yes, sometimes a player makes a mental mistake but usually the problem with situational football is caused by coaching decisions. MLF admitted that the poor clock management at the end of the Bears game was on him. The fact remains that he is 6 seasons into his HC career and he is still making questionable decisions and is indecisive at critical situational points in games. We can all the way back to the 2020 NFCCG against Tampa and find the obvious coaching errors.

Quite frankly the Packers situational football issues go back to the Mike McCarthy/TT/Rodgers/era. There are numerous examples that I can provide but I'm confident that everyone here gets the point. When an organization has a problem that continues for years it's usually a systemic issue for the organization that either goes on unrecognized or is not addressed either for financial, political or reasons of incompetence. For the Packers I think it might be an issue of competence in terms of accountability. Who holds MLF accountable for the continuing mistakes and poor decisions during these games. Why is MLF indecisive after 6 seasons as an HC?

While I concede that the 6th or 7th seed doesn't make a significant difference the reason why we arrived at the 7th seed does. The Packers can beat the Eagles if they play a near perfect game but can they if they don't get better in situational football and if MLF is indecisive or makes bad decisions at those points in the game. The Packers cannot afford to beat themselves with penalties, turnovers or poor decision making. Thanks, Since '61

Don't games like this start to make you wonder if the NFL really is fixed? Such stupid mistakes to make by Hafley and LaFleur at the wrong time.