This isn't the first time that he's become (more successfully) aggressive - if you remember, he did the same last year..... then retreated again to start this year.

There are fundamentals that the D still do not grasp - like down marker location awareness and positioning (to name one of many) - which shouldn't be happening at the pro level.

All this said - they need to know who the incumbent will be (who will accept the job) before firing him...... as his replacement HAS to be better in order to pull that trigger.

The locker room conduct of some of the Defensive veterans is a concern though.

Joe's work is finished in Green Bay. There's nothing left for him to accomplish. He's played the role of DC to the best of his abilities and learned, again, it's just not a good fit for him. We thank Joe for his efforts and wish him and his family all the best going forward.

It really is confounding and frustrating! Barry seems to know how to plan a successful game plan for the defense and call the game well, but he just doesn't do it most of the time. It would be great to have the aggressive Joe Barry as a defensive coordinator but how do you trust which version of him shows up for the game? Bottom line is we have seen enough, we can't trust Barry, time to find someone who will consistently call a game that is aggressive and caters to the talents of the players.

I think Barry is history regardless. Why......?

I came in here and asked if Barry gets any credit for the job against the Bears.
I got a hell to the no...3 times,
Which i don't dispute entirely.

Did the defense play better against the Vikes and the Bears?
Absolutely....
BUT....You got the vikings who gave up, and started a 5th round rookie QB and scored 10 points, and then you held the Bears to 9 points. It's the flipping bears....right?
I did give some credit....then i'm thinking....what have you accomplished?
You beat two losing teams, one that gave up, and the other who is usually the bottom feeder loser of the NFC North.

You haven't done anything.

Yes, you were 10th in scoring defense, that isn't bad, until you consider the weak schedule the Packers had.
Almost every week was facing another sub.500 team.
Plus how many resources the Packers have poured into the defense.

I look at the big picture, i always have....and Joe Barry needs to go.
I'm not writing a novel on why.....
Just review the last 3 seasons, the reasoning is there, in spades.
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A prediction.....it's laced with kool aid, but there isn't anything wrong with that Tim.

I would love nothing more than the Packers to go into Dallas and beat McCarthy's ass and relish Stephen A Smiths take on it Monday.
I really would.

But....i think reality is going to slap us in the face, no more losing teams, it's big boy football now, and it's on the road.
Maybe the Packers give a good show and give the boys a tough game, but i don't do moral victory's either, moral victory's are for losing teams...period.
I would enjoy it in the aspect it would be nice not to be embarrassed

This isn't Aaron Rodgers and the 2010 playoffs.

This Packer offense exceeded my expectations, i'm proud of them for that.
But you are 9-8 and squeaked into the playoffs most likely because Cousins got hurt .
You haven't done anything yet except finish a game over .500.

Show me on Sunday....you belong.

Scorching hot defense, huh? Let's not forget we played a handicapped Vikings team and a mundane Bears offense who just fired their coordinator. I give the Packers defense credit for taking care of business and doing their part to earn a trip to the playoffs, but let's not get carried away here.

Are we even sure Barry was totally calling the shots, or did MLF have to do some serious persuasion to affect a change?

You couldn't ask for a better measuring stick going up against the #1 offense in the league. This is the true test, and every strength and weakness will be on display and easy to see. Picking the least damaging combination of poison on defense will be important if we want a chance to win. The over/under for this game is about 50, which to me is surprisingly low.

No matter the outcome, I think most Packer fans, including myself, would be feeling utter despondency if Barry were retained for another season.

Although I would love to see Barry replaced, I just have this feeling that MLF will be clutching at any straws he can to keep Barry as DC. It's just what he does.

Trust is the main issue. I can't see any way that Barry's scheme can be trusted week to week, series to series, play to play. Little to no adjustments. His scheme fails at critical moments. Eyes don't lie. Selective stats can. A short handful of better games should never excuse this. If he is not gone after the season, then LaFleur will and should be held accountable.

Not mentioned is this "Complimentary Football" garbage. It is a made up statement by coaches that has taken hold to obfuscate what actually happens and excuse failure. Teams get a lead and let up by playing conservative offense because of fear of turnovers. Defenses use the idiotic bend but not break schemes that desperately try to eliminate the "big" play. It is fear driven. Better teams (playoffs) will bend and break you. I don't agree with it in the least. IMO, no Offense or Defense should ever let up, ever. You want to know why Belichick is considered one of the greatest coaches ever. His teams rarely let up. Hated because of it, yes. Winner because of it, yes.

What I don't want to see anymore: (1) A linebacker covering a stud WR (thought I saw it happen last weekend twice); (2) Jaire and other cover CBs laying off 10 yards on 3rd & short (how many times have we seen this?); (3) rushing 3 DLs on 3rd & long (and giving the QB all day to find an WR who finally frees himself to get open); (4) setting up 2 DL when the opposing offense is sure to run. JB has left a bad taste in my mouth every time time I see or hear of these things. It would be sweet if he has heard the groans and has permanently made the right adjustments.

The players played hard and made plays against 2 bad teams. We also gave up 30 to the Panthers anemic offense. And made Baker look like an All Pro. There were at least 5 other bad defensive games. All those high picks on the defensive side aren't making progress under Barry. They are not getting better. Time for him to go and we will have multiple way better options. The question should be asked, Will the Packers be better with Joe Barry or another DC? The goal is to improve every game and season. He has to go.

Win or lose, Barry needs to go.

His defenses have finished 13th, 17th, and 10th in scoring defense over his three years. The lone playoff appearance was a defensive crushing of the SF offense. I think it's unlikely we're going to find a guy who is available who's a clear bet to improve on that. Very few of the opponents went over 30, quite a few couldn't make it past 20. He keeps the game close enough that if the offense gets off the bus, you've got a chance to win. His players are playing for him, according to Preston Smith.

So, I'd like to know the name of this guy that we'll be able to get who's a clear bet to improve this defense. One actual name would be worth 1000 "Joe Barry is so bad" jokes.

If the defense does a solid job against Dallas, on the road,in the playoffs, that has to be considered.

And what would a solid job against Dallas at home look like? They scored 30 or more in 7 of 8 games, and the only other home game was 20 points against Detroit. I think we need to limit their possessions and try to make a few big plays in the passing game on both sides. I'm hoping we can hold them to 25 to give us a chance. If they go off and get 35 or 40 (they went over 40 five times at home this year), then I don't think our offense can keep up with that. Holding them near 20 would be quite an accomplishment, IMO.

Even if the Packers win the Super Bowl Barry has to go .

Leatherhead, I would have to point out that we had one of the easiest schedules in the NFL this year. We had 2 strong games against the pathetic Vikings with a 5th string QB. The Bears were not much better. So, we finished top ten with those 2 games skewing the ranking.

I think we have nowhere to go but up by letting Barry go and bringing in a better DC. And we will have lots of options.

What Joe Barry does it's very strange. As someone wrote in comment earlier - he seems like he knows how to play, but for some reason he doesn't. It looks like:
a) He plays soft for the whole season not to provide a tape for opponents of how our defense plays. He changes the scheme for the true one when it matters. It is funny, unlikely, but this is how it looks.
b) He is full into soft scheme but changes it when he is totally pushed or angry LaFleur makes the decision by himself. After few good games late in the season: fans, managers, players, all believe Barry that he will continue this the next season and he comes back to old stuff making us angry again.
c) Players don't want Barry here so they play like they don't care to put the blame on him and at some point they finally decide to do their best. Not in line with what players say but I know similar situations from different disciplines.
d) In the beginning of the season players believe in what Barry calls but after weeks of poor results they make their own decision to play tighter and more agression.
e) Barry tries random things on defense and results vary from week to week with no logical argumentation.

I have nothing personal against him but in my opinion it's not even the love for soft coverage what is wrong with him. The worst thing is that he empirically found out what didn't work and what kind of play put his defense on the really high level. It happened 2 times and still he didn't learn from it! Now it's 3rd time! Third time lucky?

Barry inherited Clark, Gary, Alexander and Savage. He was given Stokes, Walker, Wyatt and Van Ness. The Packers have invested quite a bit in this defense but have not gotten a return on that investment.

What if we had invested all of those first round picks on offense? Would we not expect to have the number one scoring offense in the league? Would that be an unreasonable expectation? I don't think so.

So why don't we have the number one defense in the NFL?

If I'm MLF . I'm keeping Barry in some form.
Barry is MLF life line.
Unless the plan is to change the Scheme.
Barry has did everything expected of him.
And Keep in mind they got into the playoffs with Barry.
MLF can't do what MM did.
He must stand on his beliefs.. Not the peanut gallery.
Bitch all you want. But we are in the playoffs.
And until were not . You don't change a thing.

Lets face it, Barry's future is tied directly to the defenses performance in these playoffs. If the Packers somehow goes on a run to the SB or even the NFC Championship game, he probably stays. It matters that the Pack D has played its best of the year in the biggest games. If the D plays poorly and Dallas wins it's definitely bye, bye Barry. Buyer beware though, getting rid of Pettine was the number one priority for Packer fans and we ended up with Barry. Everything will depend on who LeFleur hires and lets face it, he may call a great offensive game but he doesn't seem to have what it takes hiring people and running a team like a competent CEO. He hired Barry over Everro remember. I think Gute needs to step in to help and hopefully we end up with someone like Wink Martendale, who will undoubtabley change the culture of Packers Defense which has not been great for most of the last 20 years...

Defense would have to play out of their minds for multiple playoff games before I would even consider bringing Barry back.

ESPN's Dan Graziano calls AR12 a 'narcissistic con artist' -- LOL.

I was afraid if we won two or three of our last games which were pretty bad teams, now there's the subject: will Barry be back, and we have to go through the same shit next season????

Barry has consistently not gotten the best play out of our defense. Especially in the secondary, and he cost us a really good coach in Gray. Thats on Barry, no one else. If people in decision making positions above Barry don't see this by now and make a change to let the team get better, that's on upper management, period. GB has better options now and more will be available after the season. If the goal is to be as good as possible, GB needs a new DC.